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Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 02:41
by Chief Blur Buster
Dirty Scrubz wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 22:54
Ok again what you wrote is wrong but keep thinking you know what you're talking about.
There are hundreds of G-SYNC and FreeSync monitors now. I've seen FreeSync with less ghosting/coronas than G-SYNC.
It is true that usually NVIDIA native G-SYNC provides a vastly superior experience for the reasons that I explained (Overdrive Rabbit Hole). With the right panel, it is truly a sight to behold that having continuously variable refresh rate without overdrive artifacts. It's truly fantastic and hats off to NVIDIA for what they successfully achieved with G-SYNC. Blur Busters has both the FreeSync and G-SYNC list.
That said, not to diminish the value proposition of FreeSync. There are some really great implementations that looks superior to the worst G-SYNC monitors. I've seen awful ghosting/coronas on some native G-SYNC monitors, especially when something happened like panel factory run modification -- caused major GtG changes -- to cause the NVIDIA special sauce overdrive to become bad (overdrive algorithm mismatch to the panel). It has happened before.
Sheer fast pixel response can compensate for the last of variable overdrive. That alone, can tip the scales. That's part of the new G-SYNC Compatible certified program, that the pixel response is sufficient fast enough to look acceptable without all the lovely G-SYNC overdrive.
Because of that, put down the pitch forks.
Both of you are right because the venn diagram overlaps. It's not a holy war, PC vs Mac, Android vs iPhone, FreeSync vs G-SYNC. They both peacefully exist.
The G-SYNC cost premium is actually worth it but it's perfectly okay to avoid paying the premium. You could do more homework to find the best FreeSync / G-SYNC Compatible implementations. It's the customer's choice.
Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 03:13
by RLCSContender*
but yes chief, i can sense some people are getting heated due to how blunt my posts are(regardless if it's truthful). I mean literally someone here is arguing that g-sync compatible>>G-sync by bringing up the 1% exception and proceeds to say "u dun know anything "ur rong"
anyway, i don't want any hostility in this thread and when i signed up in this forum, it explicitly said, "be nice to new users". With that being said, to any users here who dont' agree to what i'm saying, that's fine. If u want to fact check some of the stuff I said, feel free to do so.
one thing i will retract is that although the viewsonic xg270qg does not get a 10 bit signal, it still has internal dithering regardless, and thus will still have the same benefits as someone with a 10 bit signal.
i urge people to step up and fact check something that i state. For the most part though, i'm fairly certain that my experiences of all the monitors i've tried are fairly accurate and non-biased. I'll look into more about why the ahva ips 240hz ips panels. And why only the MSI mag251rx can get it but not the other monitors. Mabye the other monitors have "internal dithering" which is basically eliminate the need of a 10 bit signal.
one thing i'm sure of. If you are doing color accurate work on a 10 bit workflow, if u cannot get a 10 big signal on windows, then u aren't able to do it in an accurate manner. And yes, some content creating workflow require a 10 bit signal regardless if that monitor has internal dithering.(8 bit+frc)
Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 03:29
by RLCSContender*
sucks that everything is backordered so it's difficult to get an 240hz ips monitor right now. Outside of the low tier ones like the acer nitro or the 27gn750, it's extremely hard to get a monitor because evertything is out of stock or backordered
the alienware aw2521hf is backordered until mid June
and some douchenozzle on amazon buys all of the NEW vg279qm then proceeds to resell them for $600+(even though the monitor is only $400). And not just him but plenty of other 3rd party resellers. When a new shipment arrives, they would buy like 10-15 then proceeds to resell them at 140% markup..
the monitor market just has too much of a demand. All i know is, 2020 is the year where IPS caught up to TN. 2021 i'm guessing is where IPS and TN is near equal when it comes to g2g averages. Right now, TN only has a 1-1.5ms advantage g2g against most IPS 240hz monitors.
one savior for TN is that 360hz monitor that is coming out late this year. I'm definitely going to buy it regardless if the colors are washed out and any shift of your head, u start to see doodoo stains (brown coloration) on the monitor, and even if u are viewing it straight ahead, you see distortion in the corners bcuz of the cheap technology that it has.
Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 03:51
by rasmas
Can i ask, as you have had all the models, which one has the best screen coating or what differences did you notice? (if you happen to have photos of all, i'd love to check them to see all on the same place).
Also, you talk about a "yellow tint", can you please explain that further? (I hate any kind of tint and can't understand why these have any, i mean, i have an "old" TV LG 32LD420 -not sure if is semi glossy or something- that, by looking at its side, is perfectly clean and clear, why can't we have these?).
Thanks in advance
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Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 04:59
by Chief Blur Buster
RLCScontender wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 03:13
but yes chief, i can sense some people are getting heated due to how blunt my posts are(regardless if it's truthful). I mean literally someone here is arguing that g-sync compatible>>G-sync by bringing up the 1% exception and proceeds to say "u dun know anything "ur rong"
Well. 1% is not an exact number. It can be 0.5% or 1.7% or 5.1% or 10.3%.
I've feasted eyes on
hundreds of monitors, thanks to being at labs, conventions, manufacturers, samples, showrooms, etc. Since the first Acer VG236H and Samsung 2233rz in 2009 started the high-Hz boom, there has been a combined over 1,000 models of better-than-60Hz screens since (in mainstream and obscure brands, in all sizes, forms and factors). Currently, from what I'm witnessing, my impression is the venn diagram overlaps. It seemed that currently more than 10% of the worst G-SYNC native chipped monitors are worse than the best 10% of FreeSync / G-SYNC Compatible monitors. These numbers are not exact and are highly approximate but it's an order of magnitude larger than the 1% figure. It is always a moving target over the last 6 years with all the leapfroggings occuring.
Here, around here, we are sticklers about semantics around here. Even as I slip, I frequently edit my posts to fix them. Less blunt than "1%" is saying the phrase "majority of G-SYNC monitors". Around here, repeated tenuous mentions of "1%", as a boilerplate number, are generally considered equivalent to
Weasel Words (Wikipedia), historically.
Disagreements will always occur. But we discourage escalation especially in these trying COVID times where people are mentally stressed. There's a geek Goldilocks level on the forum discourse dial that Blur Busters strive for, to prevent becoming a ultra-polarized commentsboard cesspool. We don't want such politics-league polarization intensity here.
On that note.
That's better.
Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 07:58
by atsitns
RLCScontender wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 03:29
sucks that everything is backordered so it's difficult to get an
240hz ips monitor right now. Outside of the low tier ones like the acer nitro or the 27gn750
Was the hardware unboxed review of the 27gn750 wrong? That showed it as being extremely fast GtG and input lag wise.
Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 11:53
by Zavon
RLCScontender wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 03:29
sucks that everything is backordered so it's difficult to get an
240hz ips monitor right now. Outside of the low tier ones like the acer nitro or the 27gn750, it's extremely hard to get a monitor because evertything is out of stock or backordered
the alienware aw2521hf is backordered until mid June
and some douchenozzle on amazon buys all of the NEW vg279qm then proceeds to resell them for $600+(even though the monitor is only $400). And not just him but plenty of other 3rd party resellers. When a new shipment arrives, they would buy like 10-15 then proceeds to resell them at 140% markup..
Yeah, people on the reddit sale thread were saying they were getting shipping dates all the way back to July. I chatted Dell the other day to inquire about stock and they said they currently had no plans on restocking in the near future, so I figure we won't see any until June at the earliest probably.
That's just the nature of people. If they see an opportunity to price gouge customers, they'll do it. These are the perfect times for these sleazy people to do it too.
I haven't seen the MAG251RX go up on sale lately, Amazon had it from Antonline but for $384 a few days ago. Adorama is backordered. Amazon will have stock of the XG270 on the 4th though, contemplating just ordering that and seeing how I feel about it.
Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 12:21
by RLCSContender*
atsitns wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 07:58
RLCScontender wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 03:29
sucks that everything is backordered so it's difficult to get an
240hz ips monitor right now. Outside of the low tier ones like the acer nitro or the 27gn750
Was the hardware unboxed review of the 27gn750 wrong? That showed it as being extremely fast GtG and input lag wise.
atsin, the review is fairly accurate. If however th eir g2g is within .2 or .4 of the mag251rx, then i will call them out on it. But they have it closre to 4.0 which is basically the average g2g response time for 240hz ips monitors not named The mag251rx or the alienware 25"
One thing I don't like about how they reviewed the 27gn750 is that they literally used the mag251rx "fast" overdrive setting to compare it with the 27gn750 instead of "faster" which is 90% compliant at 3% error rate. So they ommitted that critical detail and used its 2nd fastest overdrive setting. So they cherry picked out the mag251rx's 2nd fastest to make a comparison. Another thing,I don't agree with how they handled the lower refresh rate comparisons too. The MSI's fastest overdrive setting shold've been used instead of the "fast" overdrive setting.
then again, this australian company is notoriuos for schilling LG. Fortunately, the g2g average is much slower than the msi, so they definitely have that correct. One thing i dislike about how they are reviewing these 240hz IPS is that they always measure it with adaptive sync on. Adaptive sync is inherintly useless for 240hz ips monitors in the context of competititve gameplay.
if youa re playing a game that has an FPS exceeding the 240hz refresh rate. TURN ADAPTIVE SYNC OFF.
Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 12:25
by RLCSContender*
Zavon wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 11:53
RLCScontender wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 03:29
sucks that everything is backordered so it's difficult to get an
240hz ips monitor right now. Outside of the low tier ones like the acer nitro or the 27gn750, it's extremely hard to get a monitor because evertything is out of stock or backordered
the alienware aw2521hf is backordered until mid June
and some douchenozzle on amazon buys all of the NEW vg279qm then proceeds to resell them for $600+(even though the monitor is only $400). And not just him but plenty of other 3rd party resellers. When a new shipment arrives, they would buy like 10-15 then proceeds to resell them at 140% markup..
Yeah, people on the reddit sale thread were saying they were getting shipping dates all the way back to July. I chatted Dell the other day to inquire about stock and they said they currently had no plans on restocking in the near future, so I figure we won't see any until June at the earliest probably.
That's just the nature of people. If they see an opportunity to price gouge customers, they'll do it. These are the perfect times for these sleazy people to do it too.
I haven't seen the MAG251RX go up on sale lately, Amazon had it from Antonline but for $384 a few days ago. Adorama is backordered. Amazon will have stock of the XG270 on the 4th though, contemplating just ordering that and seeing how I feel about it.
Here's the truth. the aw2521hf a week and a half ago, we only had to wait 7 days and it will arrive. Also, you get a huge discount from $510 to $385. Guess what happened? within one day, the shipment went from 7 days to backordered to 2 months. Some douchenozzle reseller purchased probably 40-60 of them to resell it on ebay or amazon at a ridiculous mark up. They are taking advantage of the covid-19 markups of online goods.
yes folks. WITHIN ONE DAY, from a 7 day guaranteed ETA shipping to a 1.5-2 month BACKORDER
Re: 04/18/2020. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.
Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 12:30
by RLCSContender*
Boyz, the g-sync hardware with VRR HDMI(yes, the first of its kind), they are taking pre orders. $499.99 acer predator xb273 x.
yes folks, FULL fat g-sync on a 240hz ips monitor with VRR HDMI for console gaming(the first of its kind). I can only imagine how ridiculously low the input lag is and how the variable overdrive lowering the g2g average. I think the MSi gets dethroned here
then again, g-sync is useless if the FPS is above the refresh rate. So if you are playing CS Go at above 300hz, this monitor is useless. But the benefits are, g-sync hardware and good console gaming. Also ,it's 27" 1080p, some people don't like the size of that monitor relative to the resolution.
however, as i stated earlier, 27" for 1080p isn't that much worse than 24.5" 1080p because the visual acuity is 2 inches apart.