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Good to know. I'm sticking to disabled/off for now as I've had no issues thus far.Brainlet wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 11:23Regarding NIC Interrupt Moderation Rate, here are some interesting findings: https://github.com/djdallmann/GamingPCS ... /README.md
Same silicon, but using modes that were invented specifically for high polling rates.kurtextrem wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 05:08Pretty sure the 3399 is called Focus+ and is already in the RVU, DAv2 etc.; Or is it a new revision specifically for 8000 hz?
There is none.
yes i have not forgotten the official pages 1 year ago, although I am not sure how exactly the 3370 fares on that regard since nobody bothered to post anything like Razer did. But EndGameGear claims that 3370 processes info 10% faster than 3389. and let's not forget that 3389's 99.4%, 3399 is 99.6%, and 3370 per MountainGG's claim is calculated to be 99.7% accuracy wise. (or is it error rate including the process lag? I honestly don't even...)
Claimed accuracy is one thing but firmware customization/optimization likely makes a difference even with the same IC.lyrill wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 04:07yes i have not forgotten the official pages 1 year ago, although I am not sure how exactly the 3370 fares on that regard since nobody bothered to post anything like Razer did. But EndGameGear claims that 3370 processes info 10% faster than 3389. and let's not forget that 3389's 99.4%, 3399 is 99.6%, and 3370 per MountainGG's claim is calculated to be 99.7% accuracy wise. (or is it error rate including the process lag? I honestly don't even...)
I really like the clicks on the Viper Mini, it does feel faster than my GPW (according to RTings it's basically 1 frame faster at 240hz) but the 3359 is one of the worst if not the worst sensor I've ever tried, much worse than the 3360 and the 3360.howiec wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 09:01I've used many mice over the years and my conclusion is that all 3310/3360/3370s feel somewhat sluggish (yes, at CPIs without smoothing), 3389 feels more responsive but with more feeling of "overshoot", and the 3399 (Focus+) has best of both, not sluggish but also less "overshoot" feeling.
I've used the original Hero sensor in the G305 that I listed above. Yes, it's a great mouse and sensor overall but I've found other ones that suit me and/or perform better, e.g. Viper Ultimate, SK-S Ace (Skoll Small), MM720, and of course, this Razer 8kHz prototype.
Sorry, I brain-farted and typed 3370 by mistake. Probably sub-consciously waiting for my Makalu 67 to arrive that shipped on 12/3. I'll post findings later.axaro1 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 13:26I'm really interested by the PAW3370 on the XM1R (which supposedly has 50% less errors than other pixart sensors, which may or may not make an actual difference) and presorted Kailh GM 8.0 can be a nice upgrade over the switches on the GPW.
Can you describe the 3370? Does it feel like an improvement over something like the 3360 or is it just a cheap but newer 3389?
Yeah, depending on demand, wouldn't be surprised to see lack of stock.axaro1 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 13:26The Hydrogen seems like the best mouse but I don't expect an unknown company to have worldwide availability or decent support, thats why I'm hoping for Razer to release the Avalon as soon as possible but improvements in the Windows ecosystem for 8000hz support are a key point to make it happen.
howiec wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 15:26I've used the original Hero sensor in the G305 that I listed above. Yes, it's a great mouse and sensor overall but I've found other ones that suit me and/or perform better, e.g. Viper Ultimate, SK-S Ace (Skoll Small), MM720, and of course, this Razer 8kHz prototype.
Sorry, I brain-farted and typed 3370 by mistake. Probably sub-consciously waiting for my Makalu 67 to arrive that shipped on 12/3. I'll post findings later.axaro1 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 13:26I'm really interested by the PAW3370 on the XM1R (which supposedly has 50% less errors than other pixart sensors, which may or may not make an actual difference) and presorted Kailh GM 8.0 can be a nice upgrade over the switches on the GPW.
Can you describe the 3370? Does it feel like an improvement over something like the 3360 or is it just a cheap but newer 3389?
Yeah, depending on demand, wouldn't be surprised to see lack of stock.axaro1 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 13:26The Hydrogen seems like the best mouse but I don't expect an unknown company to have worldwide availability or decent support, thats why I'm hoping for Razer to release the Avalon as soon as possible but improvements in the Windows ecosystem for 8000hz support are a key point to make it happen.
However, I wouldn't say that it'll be the best mouse for everyone although 2-thru-8kHz capable is 100% the way to go for all future mice.
There are many things that determine which is the "best mouse" for each individual, and a lot of that depends on the grip style, hand-size, use-case (e.g. MMORPG vs FPS), desired SW features, customizability, wired/wireless, aesthetics, surface texture, etc.
However, some things that I consider more or less universal to all mice include:Plus other stuff I may have missed.
- Weight - The lower the better
- Weight distribution - Center of mass with respect to grip location is always best (clearly depends on expected grip style)
- Optical Lens XY Location respective to mouse dimensions/shape & other physical features - Also largely depends on expected grip style
- Sensor + Firmware tech
- Power Efficiency if wireless w/o charging surface
- Cable Flexibility & Weight if wired
- Button Latency & Life - Optical better than pure mechanical due to debounce time
- Build Quality & Robustness
- Skate Design & Material - Always want virgin PTFE that's relatively thick w/ rounded edges
- Settings customization & SW
- Warranty
I assume the NDA has been lifted, is there anything else you can say about the new viper? Did you guys implement a faster microcontroller to handle 8khz polling? Is the sensor the same as the standard viper?
I doubt there will be much demand considering 99% of people are latency deniers.Razer_TheFiend wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 22:48There is none.
If we wanted to sell a Viper with new electronics (which is essentially what our prototypes are), I'd say the hardware is ready to go now. It's just a matter of how much actual demand there is for it, and how well it works for use as a primary/only mouse.
Any chance you'll sell it to the 1% with a special disclaimer mentioning these "issues"?Razer_TheFiend wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 22:48I'm fully aware that enthusiasts are willing to understand and work around the numerous small "ecosystem issues" that come with an 8000Hz mouse, but enthusiasts are 1% of the market. Can't release a product that has a 20% return rate because it makes their task manager bug out (actual issue).