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Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 01 Jul 2023, 17:43
by Slender
phx wrote: ↑01 Jul 2023, 14:05
After this update I have a smooth mouse but I have a bug after pc sleep my viper 8kHz only works 1kHz... and when I switch to 4kHz mouse only 500hz (wtf?) restarting the computer doesn't fix it and synapse, only usb reconnection fixes it.
I don't use synapse, the whole process is closed, I switch profiles with mouse buttons.
Does anyone else have this?
razer firmware issue only.
use usb 3.0 blue port.
haste 2 work on all usb ver 1.1 / usb 2.0 (fullspeed/highspeed).
Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 01 Jul 2023, 23:22
by masneb
Slender wrote: ↑01 Jul 2023, 17:42
masneb wrote: ↑30 Jun 2023, 06:13
Huh... Anyone else have basically three solid lines now at 1000,1050,950hz after the update? I'm not sure this is better or worse as I haven't really gotten to test it out, but concerning... All my internal hubs yield the same results (4 of them), some more solid lines then others, but basically three lines for all of them. 8000hz graph is extremely ugly.
I have a 7950X3D and a B650 motherboard.
Need someone to check input latency with the new update as well. Coalescing or basically packaging multiple polls into the same packet means there is more then likely a buffer and input latency introduced. However, depending on how they do it, it might be very small.
hahahaha i have same lines on intel amd with nvidia gpu
intel delta 998-1002 gou on, 999.5-1000.5 gpu off.
amd delta 990-1010 gpu on, 999/1001 gpu off.
What generation? I have a 4090. I assume GPU off is iGPU/internal?
Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 02 Jul 2023, 08:29
by Slender
masneb wrote: ↑01 Jul 2023, 23:22
Slender wrote: ↑01 Jul 2023, 17:42
masneb wrote: ↑30 Jun 2023, 06:13
Huh... Anyone else have basically three solid lines now at 1000,1050,950hz after the update? I'm not sure this is better or worse as I haven't really gotten to test it out, but concerning... All my internal hubs yield the same results (4 of them), some more solid lines then others, but basically three lines for all of them. 8000hz graph is extremely ugly.
I have a 7950X3D and a B650 motherboard.
Need someone to check input latency with the new update as well. Coalescing or basically packaging multiple polls into the same packet means there is more then likely a buffer and input latency introduced. However, depending on how they do it, it might be very small.
hahahaha i have same lines on intel amd with nvidia gpu
intel delta 998-1002 gou on, 999.5-1000.5 gpu off.
amd delta 990-1010 gpu on, 999/1001 gpu off.
What generation? I have a 4090. I assume GPU off is iGPU/internal?
i mean gpu driver (same on all rtx)
Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 07 Jul 2023, 07:39
by masneb
I'm starting to think there is a bug with this, sometimes it feels like there is really consistent performance, with the changes and other times it feels like my aim is behind or desync'd. I think it's not always engaging 1000hz in the forefront process. Setting my mouse to 125hz yields the same feeling.
Anyone know if there is a way to debug what mode it's in for the program you're using?
Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 07 Jul 2023, 21:10
by masneb
I'd rather not do untargeted generic tweaks, rather discuss a specific change and if other people are exhibiting similar behavior. Noticeably already it seems this patch has effected AMD systems (mine) differently then Intel. The triple line in the mousemovement for instance I seeming can't get rid of no matter what I try, but wasn't present prior to the patch.
As someone else noticed, it seems like if you tab out and tab back in it sometimes fixes it, which might have something to do with resetting the foreground process or whatever is working in the background.
I also have game bar off and disabled as well as running in Disable Fullscreen Optimizations, which might be influencing how Windows reads the foreground process or what it considers the game. As is the case with Ryzen and their core optimizations for the X3D series.
Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 07 Jul 2023, 23:22
by masneb
Shotgun solutions have the effect of being unable to fix them if you find them undesirable or look to go back, they don't differentiate between what they change and I'd like to stick to stock as much as possible, so I can figure out what is changing or influencing other things.
I've tweaked tons of things over the last decade in windows and not all was beneficial, some just changed the way things feel, and some were detrimental.
As I made a restore point prior to the windows update, I'll probably just be going back and assume they tested their changes on Intel systems more so then AMD. Might also get a USB card and try that prior.
Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 08 Jul 2023, 15:12
by Haste
phx wrote: ↑01 Jul 2023, 14:05
After this update I have a smooth mouse but I have a bug after pc sleep my viper 8kHz only works 1kHz... and when I switch to 4kHz mouse only 500hz (wtf?) restarting the computer doesn't fix it and synapse, only usb reconnection fixes it.
I don't use synapse, the whole process is closed, I switch profiles with mouse buttons.
Does anyone else have this?
I had this problem with my dav3 wired 8KHz
After reboot, polling rate was divided by 8.
repluging the mouse would fix it.
I solved it by connecting the mouse to a usb3 header instead of usb2 header it was connected before.
Now it stays at the correct polling rate after I reboot my pc.
Why does it need a usb3 header to work correctly, I have no idea.
Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 08 Jul 2023, 17:12
by InputLagger
masneb wrote: ↑07 Jul 2023, 07:39
I'm starting to think there is a bug with this, sometimes it feels like there is really consistent performance, with the changes and other times it feels like my aim is behind or desync'd. I think it's not always engaging 1000hz in the forefront process. Setting my mouse to 125hz yields the same feeling.
Anyone know if there is a way to debug what mode it's in for the program you're using?
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windo ... and-netmon
Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 18 Jul 2023, 13:48
by Dilzze
Hi every one! I have the problem my mouse feels too shaky at counter strike. Seems something is wrong. vsynch off. Seems harrd to micro aim at the head. The mouse movements not stable. Sorry for my english, I have zowie fk2. and windows 11. Tested with w10 and 11. at win 10 all good..
Re: Windows 11 Update Fixes High Polling Rate Stuttering
Posted: 21 Jul 2023, 10:46
by Dilzze
Windows 10 seems look all good 1000hz pooling rate! Why wind 11 not working ? something is bad with w11 mouse pooling rates? or its old program (mouse tester) and not suported windows 11?