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Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 11:59
by SqruB500
jorimt wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 10:19
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 09:47
ok now i understand about stroboscopic effect, now i dont understand why my 240hz not feeling fast? it's feeling like 120 or maybe 144 or even 165, but not 240hz, i know what is true 240hz, when gameplay is sharper and faster, my like on slow mo, why? I got voltage swing settings on amd, maybe try change this settings and it may help?
There is no such thing as a slower or faster 240Hz; the display is either refreshing 240 times per second or it's not. Are you suggesting you've tried other 240Hz monitors in person and they feel faster than yours?
The "slow mo" feeling you're describing can be caused by any number of things and is likely not related directly to the stroboscopic effect, since again, every display has that, regardless of its refresh rate.
Are you using the strobing mode on your monitor, and if not, what do you have your overdrive set to? Because RTINGS suggests the below:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/ ... #test_1427
We recommend using the '120' overdrive mode, as it provides the best performance with virtually no overshoot. This mode is actually a hidden setting that has to be enabled through the service menu (find out how
here). If you don't want to use this hidden mode, the '60' mode is almost as good, but it has a slower rise/fall time, so there's a longer blur trail behind fast-moving objects.
This won't fix the stroboscopic effect, but it will reduce overdrive artifacts (smearing/ghosting).
watch from 1:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-lo690BgfA . You got same picture on ur monitor? Cuz even through youtube, i see that his game so much sharper and faster, like true 240 or 360hz.
Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 12:06
by jorimt
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 11:59
You got same picture on ur monitor? Cuz even through youtube, i see that his game so much sharper and faster, like true 240 or 360hz.
What am I suppose to be looking at on 1:09?
As I mentioned earlier, with any video, you do realize you're watching a camera film another monitor which you're then playing back at 60 FPS with compression
through your monitor, right?
There's no way you can tell anything without using his monitor is person.
I ask again:
Are you using the strobing mode on your monitor, and if not, what do you have your overdrive set to? Because RTINGS suggests the below:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/ ... #test_1427
We recommend using the '120' overdrive mode, as it provides the best performance with virtually no overshoot. This mode is actually a hidden setting that has to be enabled through the service menu (find out how
here). If you don't want to use this hidden mode, the '60' mode is almost as good, but it has a slower rise/fall time, so there's a longer blur trail behind fast-moving objects.
This won't fix the stroboscopic effect, but it will reduce overdrive artifacts (smearing/ghosting).
Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 12:10
by SqruB500
jorimt wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:06
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 11:59
You got same picture on ur monitor? Cuz even through youtube, i see that his game so much sharper and faster, like true 240 or 360hz.
What am I suppose to be looking at on 1:09?
As I mentioned earlier, with any video, you do realize you're watching a camera film another monitor which you're then playing back at 60 FPS with compression
through your monitor, right?
There's no way you can tell anything without using his monitor is person.
I ask again:
Are you using the strobing mode on your monitor, and if not, what do you have your overdrive set to? Because RTINGS suggests the below:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/ ... #test_1427
We recommend using the '120' overdrive mode, as it provides the best performance with virtually no overshoot. This mode is actually a hidden setting that has to be enabled through the service menu (find out how
here). If you don't want to use this hidden mode, the '60' mode is almost as good, but it has a slower rise/fall time, so there's a longer blur trail behind fast-moving objects.
This won't fix the stroboscopic effect, but it will reduce overdrive artifacts (smearing/ghosting).
Maybe as a guy who got same smooth faster picture, u dont see nothing, but i do. I can write a comparison u know when 1 guy streams 60 fps, 1 guy 120 fps, u feel and see difference and my game feels not smooth like 60 fps stream.
Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 12:12
by SqruB500
jorimt wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:06
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 11:59
You got same picture on ur monitor? Cuz even through youtube, i see that his game so much sharper and faster, like true 240 or 360hz.
What am I suppose to be looking at on 1:09?
As I mentioned earlier, with any video, you do realize you're watching a camera film another monitor which you're then playing back at 60 FPS with compression
through your monitor, right?
There's no way you can tell anything without using his monitor is person.
I ask again:
Are you using the strobing mode on your monitor, and if not, what do you have your overdrive set to? Because RTINGS suggests the below:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/ ... #test_1427
We recommend using the '120' overdrive mode, as it provides the best performance with virtually no overshoot. This mode is actually a hidden setting that has to be enabled through the service menu (find out how
here). If you don't want to use this hidden mode, the '60' mode is almost as good, but it has a slower rise/fall time, so there's a longer blur trail behind fast-moving objects.
This won't fix the stroboscopic effect, but it will reduce overdrive artifacts (smearing/ghosting).
i say it already, i test every overdrive settings, 60/80/120, not a visible difference, same sluggish picture
Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 12:14
by SqruB500
jorimt wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:06
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 11:59
You got same picture on ur monitor? Cuz even through youtube, i see that his game so much sharper and faster, like true 240 or 360hz.
What am I suppose to be looking at on 1:09?
As I mentioned earlier, with any video, you do realize you're watching a camera film another monitor which you're then playing back at 60 FPS with compression
through your monitor, right?
There's no way you can tell anything without using his monitor is person.
I ask again:
Are you using the strobing mode on your monitor, and if not, what do you have your overdrive set to? Because RTINGS suggests the below:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/ ... #test_1427
We recommend using the '120' overdrive mode, as it provides the best performance with virtually no overshoot. This mode is actually a hidden setting that has to be enabled through the service menu (find out how
here). If you don't want to use this hidden mode, the '60' mode is almost as good, but it has a slower rise/fall time, so there's a longer blur trail behind fast-moving objects.
This won't fix the stroboscopic effect, but it will reduce overdrive artifacts (smearing/ghosting).
maybe, but like i said before, i see difference through 60fps and youtube, that his game runs faster, not sluggish
Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 12:16
by SqruB500
jorimt wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:06
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 11:59
You got same picture on ur monitor? Cuz even through youtube, i see that his game so much sharper and faster, like true 240 or 360hz.
What am I suppose to be looking at on 1:09?
As I mentioned earlier, with any video, you do realize you're watching a camera film another monitor which you're then playing back at 60 FPS with compression
through your monitor, right?
There's no way you can tell anything without using his monitor is person.
I ask again:
Are you using the strobing mode on your monitor, and if not, what do you have your overdrive set to? Because RTINGS suggests the below:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/ ... #test_1427
We recommend using the '120' overdrive mode, as it provides the best performance with virtually no overshoot. This mode is actually a hidden setting that has to be enabled through the service menu (find out how
here). If you don't want to use this hidden mode, the '60' mode is almost as good, but it has a slower rise/fall time, so there's a longer blur trail behind fast-moving objects.
This won't fix the stroboscopic effect, but it will reduce overdrive artifacts (smearing/ghosting).
Perhaps you do not understand the problem that I want to convey to you, since you did not have the opportunity to see sluggish 240/360hz.
Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 12:17
by jorimt
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:10
Maybe as a guy who got same smooth faster picture, u dont see nothing, but i do.
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:14
maybe, but like i said before, i see difference through 60fps and youtube, that his game runs faster, not sluggish
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:16
Perhaps you do not understand the problem that I want to convey to you, since you did not have the opportunity to see sluggish 240/360hz.
How can you see a "smooth faster picture" of another monitor
ON your monitor? The video of the other monitor can only be as smooth as the monitor you're viewing it through.
If you believe otherwise, then buy the monitor model in one of the videos and test it in person.
Because the only thing you can do with your current monitor is set it to 240Hz (or 280Hz overclock) and ensure you have the optimal overdrive preset applied. The rest is down to your system and input devices as to how "smooth" things feel.
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:12
i say it already, i test every overdrive settings, 60/80/120, not a visible difference, same sluggish picture
You said you tested everything in your first post, but this is the first time you said you tested 120 overdrive, so I was ruling it out.
Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 12:25
by SqruB500
jorimt wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:17
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:10
Maybe as a guy who got same smooth faster picture, u dont see nothing, but i do.
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:14
maybe, but like i said before, i see difference through 60fps and youtube, that his game runs faster, not sluggish
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:16
Perhaps you do not understand the problem that I want to convey to you, since you did not have the opportunity to see sluggish 240/360hz.
How can you see a "smooth faster picture" of another monitor
ON your monitor? The video of the other monitor can only be as smooth as the monitor you're viewing it through.
If you believe otherwise, then buy the monitor model in one of the videos and test it in person.
Because the only thing you can do with your current monitor is set it to 240Hz (or 280Hz overclock) and ensure you have the optimal overdrive preset applied. The rest is down to your system and input devices as to how "smooth" things feel.
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:12
i say it already, i test every overdrive settings, 60/80/120, not a visible difference, same sluggish picture
You said you tested everything in your first post, but this is the first time you said you tested 120 overdrive, so I was ruling it out.
i see that his game runs better than mine, i'm not sensitive, my brother too see that, my fps game feels sluggish. Test 3 dif monitors, 2 dif pc, same result
Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 12:27
by SqruB500
jorimt wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:17
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:10
Maybe as a guy who got same smooth faster picture, u dont see nothing, but i do.
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:14
maybe, but like i said before, i see difference through 60fps and youtube, that his game runs faster, not sluggish
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:16
Perhaps you do not understand the problem that I want to convey to you, since you did not have the opportunity to see sluggish 240/360hz.
How can you see a "smooth faster picture" of another monitor
ON your monitor? The video of the other monitor can only be as smooth as the monitor you're viewing it through.
If you believe otherwise, then buy the monitor model in one of the videos and test it in person.
Because the only thing you can do with your current monitor is set it to 240Hz (or 280Hz overclock) and ensure you have the optimal overdrive preset applied. The rest is down to your system and input devices as to how "smooth" things feel.
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:12
i say it already, i test every overdrive settings, 60/80/120, not a visible difference, same sluggish picture
You said you tested everything in your first post, but this is the first time you said you tested 120 overdrive, so I was ruling it out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comme ... ?rdt=38737 . I see a lot guys who got same problem, but unfortunately didn't find a solution
Re: ASUS VG259QM Blur
Posted: 03 Aug 2023, 12:29
by SqruB500
jorimt wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:17
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:10
Maybe as a guy who got same smooth faster picture, u dont see nothing, but i do.
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:14
maybe, but like i said before, i see difference through 60fps and youtube, that his game runs faster, not sluggish
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:16
Perhaps you do not understand the problem that I want to convey to you, since you did not have the opportunity to see sluggish 240/360hz.
How can you see a "smooth faster picture" of another monitor
ON your monitor? The video of the other monitor can only be as smooth as the monitor you're viewing it through.
If you believe otherwise, then buy the monitor model in one of the videos and test it in person.
Because the only thing you can do with your current monitor is set it to 240Hz (or 280Hz overclock) and ensure you have the optimal overdrive preset applied. The rest is down to your system and input devices as to how "smooth" things feel.
SqruB500 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023, 12:12
i say it already, i test every overdrive settings, 60/80/120, not a visible difference, same sluggish picture
You said you tested everything in your first post, but this is the first time you said you tested 120 overdrive, so I was ruling it out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/csgo/comments/ ... els_laggy/
and there are many such examples...