XL2430T Firmware Information

Adjusting BENQ Blur Reduction and DyAc (Dynamic Acceleration) including Blur Busters Strobe Utility. Supports most BenQ/Zowie Z-Series monitors (XL2411, XL2420, XL2720, XL2735, XL2540, XL2546)
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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 11 Dec 2014, 19:49

Falkentyne wrote:Now, by increasing the vertical total, you are now INCREASING the size of the vertical synchronization area. Display-corner calls it "making the vertical synchronization phase LONGER". By doing this, you make the strobe pulse at the top start at the same spot, but the strobe pulse for the next frame start closer to the bottom, and in case of VT 1500, actually pushing the next phase just barely OFF the screen, because by extending the synchronization phase, the next strobe pulse is now offscreen and you have more of the screen area (1080 lines) visible without both crosstalk border pulses on the screen. You are not extending the SIZE of the screen vertically, pixel wise...just the synchronization. I think you can see that this also increases the pixel clock, since now the screen must "work harder."
Your explanation is good, though a little long!
Different people understand the concepts differently, but personally, I would fully decouple the concept of the signal timing from the concept of strobe timing, though one helps the other.

First, let's focus on the signal timing.

From the perspective of people who is familiar with the VHOLD adjustment from the old analog TV days -- The synchronization interval uses a number of dummy scanlines (black colored, no signal) which comprise the black bar you see. Vertical total is the total number of scanlines per refresh cycle (including synchronization scanlines between refreshes). Large vertical totals indeed puts a longer pause between refresh intervals (ala thickening the VHOLD bar, for those people familiar with VHOLD adjustment in analog TV days).

The time of the refresh cycle is maintained (e.g. 120Hz), but the time ratio of active picture refreshing, to pausing between refresh cycle, is adjusted. e.g. Ratio of 1500:1080 versus 1125:1080, when comparing VT1500 versus VT1080. The screen is scanned faster with larger vertical totals, but the vertical resolution is kept the same. So the active display area is scanned faster, followed by a longer pause between refresh cycles.

Next, let's explain how it relates to strobe timing:

The concept of a large vertical total is a workaround that works on the Z-Series to trick the BENQ Z-Series to scan the refresh quicker, so that there's more time for GtG pixel transitions to settle. When using VT1500, you have a full 2.3 milliseconds of pause between refresh cycles. Mathematically, that's the amount of time of the synchronization interval during VT1500, calculated as ((total - active)/total) of a refresh cycle, which is ((1500-1080)/1500ths of 1/120sec) = ~2.3 milliseconds. This 2.3 milliseconds is large enough to let most of an LCD finish refreshing (1-2ms GtG), which can be done in total darkness (between strobe flashes) to hide the vast majority of GtG pixel transitions, in order to reduce strobe crosstalk / double-image effect (incomplete GtG pixel transitions from the previous refresh cycle, leaking into the next strobe flash). Larger vertical totals means more time finishing an LCD refresh cycle unseen by human eyes (by hiding the majority of the ghosting / overdrive artifacts in the dark periods between strobe flashes). Larger vertical totals have less ghosting.

LightBoost already artifically internally scan-converts the signal (it does literally a kind of an equivalent of large vertical totals internally, via buffering the signal partially and doing an accelerated scan-out to the LCD).

To understand this better, it is useful to see a high-speed video of an LCD refreshing.
These videos are simply high speed video of a screen that's flickering between black then white (back and fourth)
from, www.testufo.com/flicker running in full screen mode.
Observe that an LCD refreshes via a top-to-bottom scan.

Older LCDs, not strobe compatible:

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Observe older LCDs cannot finish refreshing before the next refresh cycle (strobe backlights won't work well)

Newer LCDs, strobe compatible:

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Observe fast LCDs can finish refreshing before the next refresh cycle (strobe flash can be timed between refreshes).

Now you understand how LCDs refresh.
Now you can imagine that a longer pause between the top-to-bottom scans would be even better, reducing ghosting (strobe crosstalk) leaking between refresh cycles. The faster the "top-to-bottom" scan (via internal means such as LightBoost accelerated scanout, or via external means such as larger vertical total in the signal) subsequently followed by a longer pause between refreshes, makes it easier to finish GtG transitions between refresh cycles, reducing ghosting/overdrive artifacts during strobing.
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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by blargg » 11 Dec 2014, 20:23

Succint reason we want fast scanout: the longer the scanout, the longer between the top pixels being updated and bottom, thus longer effective LCD update time. A 1ms LCD with a scanout that takes 8ms has effectively 9ms of transition time as far as the strobe is concerned, since flashing anything within that 9ms will catch some of the pixels in transition. So the shorter we can make scanout, the longer a window we have to flash the strobe without catching the LCD mid-update. Scanout speed is relatively independent of an LCD panel's GTG time, since the GTG time is related more to the LC and panel electrodes, while scanout is mostly just the driver IC's ability to quickly receive data and sent it to the transistors in the glass panel.

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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 12 Dec 2014, 18:21

Correct on all points, blargg.

The strobe flash needs to occur between refreshes (scanouts), on clear individual refreshes.
Scanout is done unseen in dark, as much as possible, to hide motion blur.
The longer pause between refreshes, the better (bigger synchronization interval).

And correct that refresh rate is independent of GtG.
Long ago, we had 33ms LCDs with a 16.7ms refresh cycle. The refreshes simply ghosted heavily into each other.
Today, we now have 1ms LCDs with a 16.7ms refresh cycle. The refreshes only faintly ghosts into the next refresh.
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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by error-id10t » 13 Dec 2014, 00:25

Is there a setting in Firefox that needs to be done as I'm getting unbearable stuttering. IE11 looks fairly normal but then that apparently isn't doing 120Hz?

VT1500 @ 120Hz: Strobe Duty: 007 and Phase: 000.

Removing VT "fixes" it but that may just be an illusion as everything is darker (too dark), but it certainly looks much nicer in Native 144Hz as an example.
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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by djriful » 15 Dec 2014, 21:49

Don't use Firefox, known to be stutters on YouTube, Flash and HTML5. Terrible performance browser.

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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by djriful » 01 Jan 2015, 01:14

The monitor is better without VT Tweaks in my experiences.

I had Blur Reduction v2.0 turned on all time via the OSD and set the Intensity to 1 and Area to 0. The monitor blur is clearer than 1350/1500 tweaks at the similar brightness!!!

The VTTweaks made the blur reduction useless actually. Image becomes blur no matter which VT Tweak I set. Without it, the image is clear at Intensity 10, and even pushing it down to 1 (IT IS STILL SHARP!!) and brighter display!

I'm not kidding. At the same or near same brightness. The crosstalk is less heavy at the top without VT Tweaks, bottom not that visible in games.

Gaming with VTTweaks actually made it worse. I kept on going back to without VT Tweak, runs at Intensity 1 and Area 0 with the same brightness as VT Tweaks at preferable level. Unless you want blinding brightness at max out VT Tweaks.

Even it is the SAME panel from XL2420Z, I believe the firmware in XL2430T improved in that area. Almost I didn't need VT Tweaks unless you want crazy maxed out brightness that I cannot bare.

Anyways, without the Tweaks, this panel is amazing.

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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by Falkentyne » 01 Jan 2015, 01:40

wait wait wait wait and wait.
Intensity is strobe duty, am I right?

can you do me a VERY VERY VERY huge gigantic favor and set intensity to "1" and then check the service menu by seeing what "strobe duty" is set to?
I want to see if intensity and strobe duty are two different settings.

if they are NOT, I might actually buy this monitor and play with it.

To enter the service menu, power the monitor off, then hold the MENU button down 5 seconds. Then, press the power button while holding the menu button down, then release both. Press menu to enter the service menu anytime, or to exit the service menu)

I assume that Area is strobe phase, right?

Also make SURE single strobe is ENABLED.

try setting intensity to "1" (make sure the service menu OSD is not active; it's not real time updating), enter the service menu and check strobe duty and phase. Then set intensity to maximum (whatever value that is), then check the service menu again.

THEN after you do all of this, adjust strobe duty in the service menu without adjusting intensity, back down to 001 then up to 030, and tell me the results and comparisons with intensity adjustments.

Make sure you have TestUFO running (100hz refresh rate preferred as many browsers don't run well in HTML5 at 120/144 hz).
I want to see how the crosstalk top/bottom borders act.

Another person who had this monitor said it was like the Z series in top/bottom crosstalk..but according to YOUR own post, at least from what I can infer, you're saying that this monitor has an internal accelerated scanout! But that's contrary to what another poster said about the crosstalk on this......I don't want to spend $400 to find out it's the same as the 2420Z ... :/

there's a 'bug where at least on the Z monitors, if single strobe were disabled and you toggled blur reduction off and on, it would use "default" values for strobe phase and strobe duty, until brightness, duty or phase were changed (using or toggling a preset gamer/display profile resets the brightness which made it sort of difficult to discover this "bug" (that's why the windows utility for the Z series would enable strobe phase on any BBR slider change).

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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by djriful » 01 Jan 2015, 02:21

Strobe Duty = Intensity, value [ 01 - 25 ] = 01
Strobe Phase = Area, value [ 00 - 100 ] = 00
Single Strobe [ ON - OFF ] = ON
100Hz

Single Strobe, on or off no differences, even adjusting brightness, contrast etc no change between the 2 settings. The Blur Reduction v2 works all the time.

DSLR, 1/100

No VT Tweaks below images. There are still crosstalk but mostly at the edge, this is 100Hz. 144Hz crosstalk is more visible but in-game is not that visible. I have not experienced or seen the XL2420Z, but what I said earlier. I've been jumping between the stock and vt tweaks, the stock feel smoother and less visible of double image than vt tweaks in games.

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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by Falkentyne » 01 Jan 2015, 02:40

Thanks for those pictures.

yeah there isn't accelerated scanout.
Your screenshot matches exactly what on my 2720Z, strobe phase =010 and strobe duty 010 would look like, when comparing the top and bottom crosstalk fields (the top crosstalk: the red line gets inverse ghosted to the right, and bottom crosstalk, it gets ghosted to the left).. And the ghosting extends 3 UFO fields down at which point it completely vanishes (top) and at bottom, since it's 'above' the strobe pulse, the left side (of red bar) ghosting extends upwards 2.5 UFO fields, at less intensity.

I can replicate that exactly, without a VT tweak, on my 2720Z at duty 010 and strobe phase 010.

That's why I need to use a VT tweak. With a VT tweak, it would drive all of the crosstalk at the bottom off the screen completely, while, if using a strobe duty of 003, the TOP crosstalk (the thick inverse ghosting) would be completely OFF the top of the screen.

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Re: XL2430T Firmware Information

Post by djriful » 01 Jan 2015, 02:49

With the suggested VT Tweaks here:
This is why it got worse... the top crosswalk is more visible than ever and the bottom is clean. But downside, the UFO pixel is not clear while moving, it's just more blurry.

VT1500
100Hz
Intensity = 06
Area = 00
Single Strobe = OFF

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