I'll dissect this one by one.
Vocaleyes wrote: ↑29 Apr 2024, 11:31
Not everyone here is experiencing the same issue, whilst yes the points you brought to the table are relevant in certain situations and may be helpful to some, this input issue simply hasn’t been resolved as you claim nor are a majority of those “fixes” you suggested, relevant to this particular issue.
95% of topics here are people who don't know how to verify a Windows ISO, which tweaks to apply to this ISO, which drivers to install for optimal DPC/ISR latency (a huge culprit of "FLOATY MOUSE that's the cause of 95% of people's issue"), what USB affinties are and bad hardware purchasing decisions.
Vocaleyes wrote: ↑29 Apr 2024, 11:31
This issue is occurring on multiple different combinations of hardware, therefore nothing has been fixed. Unless to you a fix is buying a certain combination of hardware, which just illustrates that the issue isn’t fixed at all without purchasing specific hardware or upgrading a bunch of random stuff including internet connection, which has no bearing on the issue at all.
If anything it just further highlights the issue with a majority of modern hardware, as a fix shouldn’t include having to repurchase “optimal hardware”. Optimal hardware should be readily accessible which as you pointed out, isn’t. It’s niche.
“No amount of tweaking will solve bad hardware purchasing decisions”. I don’t even know how to respond to that, as it’s extremely contradictory and patronising, so I’ll instead not.
Vocaleyes wrote: ↑29 Apr 2024, 11:31
It’s painfully obvious you don’t or haven’t experienced the issue we have, so politely refrain from commenting on situations you are unfamiliar with while attempting to belittle those that are working on pinpointing the source. Thanks.
In fact I did, I just came across a set of people who aren't blinded by individuals which r0ach spawned since early OCN mice section days.
I've actually accumulated all issues people can have into my post, it's just that it's a high-level overview of each problem.
Vocaleyes wrote: ↑29 Apr 2024, 11:31
For future reference “just buy better hardware” isn’t a fix, it’s a rebuild. Which doesn’t solve, identify or diagnose a single thing. It could bypass the issue, sure, but what does that do to diagnose why the issue is occuring?
It is a fix.
Are you implying higher fps (13700k / 7800X3D) does not lead to overall lower input latency compared to a skylake / zen2 CPU with barely working 6 cores?
Are you implying buying a properly compliant monitor such as the X 25 or a OLED, when compared to IPS monitors, won't lead to overall lower input latency, when each transition and especially fall transitions (which IPS is notoriously bad at and a major culprit of desktop cursor feel) is multiple orders faster over 240-500hz IPS?
(We're talking gamma correted on both, using the same tool such as the OSRTT or a proper oscilloscope)
Are you implying using a 8KHz Razer mouse with properly tuned USB affinities and USB driver does not lead to overall input latency reduction compared to (God forbid)
wireless GPX or a Zowie mouse?
And it goes on, and on...
Hardware is the foundation, you cannot build a fortress on inadequate ground.
Vocaleyes wrote: ↑29 Apr 2024, 11:31
Also, the majority of us have tested on multiple combinations of hardware and software. So saying we have made “a bad purchasing decision” is ridiculous. I personally have tested on now 5 entirely separate custom made pc’s, are you suggesting that more often than not, hardware is to blame here? If so, then clearly that is no longer a user issue, it is a manufacturing one.
n=5 is a statistically irrelevant number, you could've had 5 bad PC's.
If you want to take the electricity troubleshooting route, a simple change in location can reveal the issue.
Yes, most issues people have here did bad hardware purchases (or did bad HW/BIOS tweaks, leading to instability of a component) and bad software tweaks.
Most modern hardware is atrocious sadly, the users are misinformed and it snowballs into the pile of input lag threads we have today.
Vocaleyes wrote: ↑29 Apr 2024, 11:31
While a lot of what you said I generally agree with for other circumstances, when it comes to the relevance of this particular topic it’s all over the place, unspecific and wishy washy.
If anything I’d say the advice is more aimed towards general gaming performance and hitreg as opposed to the issue of input latency.
I think I've already answered this with my answers above.
To reiterate, my first post is a high-level overview, whose details have been greatly discussed by a lot of other, more knowledgeable people (Calypto, Bored, DJDallman, Amit)
Hyote wrote: ↑30 Apr 2024, 07:54
You just want it to believe that whatever I did/researched is nonsensical. No irrelevant registry tweak for the power plan, just options that other people disregard because they focus on the known settings. Like even power plans from Calypto or the Bitsum Higher Performance lack in some aspects. And again you convince yourself that I didn't read any of the guides when I read all of them. I was a part of multiple optimizing communities, just as a tester and listener. All I'm claiming is that there are settings that make gaming better undeniably. And it's also a truth that Windows from 1809 and above is almost a latency fest garbage. Even this version is questionable because 1709 was so much better. But this is the bare minimum for basically everything.
Good, it is lovely to see enlightened people in this subforum.
Everyone can agree to your statement about newer Windows releases having clear negatives.
But, I don't quite understand how you fail to realise the awful comparison of Rocket Lake vs Raptor Lake that Tech YES City has done?
Maybe this thread might convince you:
https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-500 ... d-p/812999
