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forii wrote: ↑

30 Apr 2020, 11:33

Alright I got today the HP Omen X 25f, I was excited, because I instantly like how does it look but when I turned iton and compare with Acer Nitro XF2 XF252Q I was like "ekkhmm ". (after calibration of course)

Colors are worse compare to Acer due to lower contrast, black uniformity is better but it seems it only boosts the black up, which I could do on Acer. Its only a bit better in dark scenes.

The OSD on HP is even worse, because:
-you can't save profiles and load them easy
-no shadow boost (wtf?)

If I compared the ufo blur test (ghosting) vs acer - the HP has slighty visible halo when moving (idk why), which I didn't notice at all on the Acer.

I would give it a TIE.
Acer = HP

I will test tommorow the Asus VG279QM vs MSI MAG251RX and focus more on these monitors, because I dont know if I like the TN anymore after what I saw today, they are all so similar, and the difference is minimal.
Can't watch the movies/netflix after i experienced how does it "feel" on the IPS (Asus Vg279qm)

I'd be very interested to see how the MAG251rx stacks up with the XF252Q and other TN's in terms of strict input lag and motion blur performance

yeah I'd be interested in motion blur performance between XF252Q vs Omen X 25f vs MAG251RX aswell - the response time/input lag number speak for themselves anyways.

Went for the Omen X 25f since it's available for 250€ now on Amazon DE: https://amzn.to/3bS3gr6

Well, if it comes to input lag Im not sure how can i meassure this by myself
If i know correctly the VG279QM has the lowest input lag compare to XF252Q, the lowest possible everywhere based on tftcentral, dunno about the magg

it all depends of the measurements techniques, here is the compare of XF252Q vs VG279QM of tftcentral (left image), but when I compare Hardware Unboxed vs Tftcentral, the measurements are differents (second image)

It would be best if tftcentral or hardware unboxed adds the MAG(tftcentral) or Asus(hardware unboxed) so we can compare it with each other with same techniques.
click to open image in new window to see it bigger

xxxtinct wrote: ↑

30 Apr 2020, 18:06

forii wrote: ↑

30 Apr 2020, 11:33

Alright I got today the HP Omen X 25f, I was excited, because I instantly like how does it look but when I turned iton and compare with Acer Nitro XF2 XF252Q I was like "ekkhmm ". (after calibration of course)

Colors are worse compare to Acer due to lower contrast, black uniformity is better but it seems it only boosts the black up, which I could do on Acer. Its only a bit better in dark scenes.

The OSD on HP is even worse, because:
-you can't save profiles and load them easy
-no shadow boost (wtf?)

If I compared the ufo blur test (ghosting) vs acer - the HP has slighty visible halo when moving (idk why), which I didn't notice at all on the Acer.

I would give it a TIE.
Acer = HP

I will test tommorow the Asus VG279QM vs MSI MAG251RX and focus more on these monitors, because I dont know if I like the TN anymore after what I saw today, they are all so similar, and the difference is minimal.
Can't watch the movies/netflix after i experienced how does it "feel" on the IPS (Asus Vg279qm)

I'd be very interested to see how the MAG251rx stacks up with the XF252Q and other TN's in terms of strict input lag and motion blur performance

2ms for TN vs 3ms for MSI

1.8ms input lag for TN 2.4ms input lag for MSI

that's basically it

keep in mind, we aren't talkigna bout 144hz here, we are talking about 240hz and those inconsequential changes, 99.99% of people won't notice. What YUO will notice is the horrible distortion even if youa re seated directly in front of your monitor bcuz of TN (it will distort the monitor edges), and if you want to ecline yuor chair, the color shift will go down dramatically. Don't forget the inaccurate colors, every thing you see on TN is inaccurate. Whether it's a washed up blue or an overly saturated watermelon red. Those are 5000x more noticeable than th ose trivial difference in milliseconds. Want to watchj a movie on TN or play a ps5 game? Don't, everything will look washed out and inaccurate

i guess for TN competitive players, that extra 1ms g2g and the slight 0.6 decrease in input lag gives them a placebo effect thinking they still have an advantage. So they cherry pick every little thing that they think their TN is superior. TBH, ithose differences are sooo minimal that if two skilled players used the MSI vs the OMEN x25, there wouldn't be any differences in performance.

RLCScontender wrote: ↑

01 May 2020, 06:35

2ms for TN vs 3ms for MSI

1.8ms input lag for TN 2.4ms input lag for MSI

that's basically it

keep in mind, we aren't talkigna bout 144hz here, we are talking about 240hz and those inconsequential changes, 99.99% of people won't notice. What YUO will notice is the horrible distortion even if youa re seated directly in front of your monitor bcuz of TN (it will distort the monitor edges), and if you want to ecline yuor chair, the color shift will go down dramatically. Don't forget the inaccurate colors, every thing you see on TN is inaccurate. Whether it's a washed up blue or an overly saturated watermelon red. Those are 5000x more noticeable than th ose trivial difference in milliseconds. Want to watchj a movie on TN or play a ps5 game? Don't, everything will look washed out and inaccurate

i guess for TN competitive players, that extra 1ms g2g and the slight 0.6 decrease in input lag gives them a placebo effect thinking they still have an advantage. So they cherry pick every little thing that they think their TN is superior. TBH, ithose differences are sooo minimal that if two skilled players used the MSI vs the OMEN x25, there wouldn't be any differences in performance.

Well, im starting to agree with that what you saying, it might be placebo
The more important is to get used to one choosen monitor and adapt the sensitivity of the mouse + learn aiming at (in case of IPS panel - more visibile) players due to other colors (the eyes need to get used to new colors also)

Im still thinking about the guy who were using the Acer XF252Q (240hz TN) with the 3ms input lag and moved on Asus VG279QM and played on this better in Cs GO due to lower input lag, in this case 2ms. Or maybe he was better due to the Estimated Signal Processing Lag which is insanly low on Asus= 0.30ms.

I assume this is similar on the MAG, even u said its 2,4ms (total input lag?), so its still similar to 2ms )asus)
The 2,4ms on the MSI is based on Pixel Response Time Element ? dunno what is the difference vs Estimated Signal Processing Lag (0,3 on asus)
I know this is minimal difference but still its good to know

The Omen price just went down to 250€ in Amazon DE is a good deal and thus waiting for more 240hz IPS monitors.
I would pick the Omen if only it had save profiles is really important for me (higher brightness for gaming then switch up to lower brightness during browsing on deskop).
forii have you tried the Alienware AW2518HF, Acer KG1 KG251QD and ASUS ROG XG248Q compared to this Omen?

forii wrote: ↑

01 May 2020, 07:43

RLCScontender wrote: ↑

01 May 2020, 06:35

2ms for TN vs 3ms for MSI

1.8ms input lag for TN 2.4ms input lag for MSI

that's basically it

keep in mind, we aren't talkigna bout 144hz here, we are talking about 240hz and those inconsequential changes, 99.99% of people won't notice. What YUO will notice is the horrible distortion even if youa re seated directly in front of your monitor bcuz of TN (it will distort the monitor edges), and if you want to ecline yuor chair, the color shift will go down dramatically. Don't forget the inaccurate colors, every thing you see on TN is inaccurate. Whether it's a washed up blue or an overly saturated watermelon red. Those are 5000x more noticeable than th ose trivial difference in milliseconds. Want to watchj a movie on TN or play a ps5 game? Don't, everything will look washed out and inaccurate

i guess for TN competitive players, that extra 1ms g2g and the slight 0.6 decrease in input lag gives them a placebo effect thinking they still have an advantage. So they cherry pick every little thing that they think their TN is superior. TBH, ithose differences are sooo minimal that if two skilled players used the MSI vs the OMEN x25, there wouldn't be any differences in performance.

Well, im starting to agree with that what you saying, it might be placebo
The more important is to get used to one choosen monitor and adapt the sensitivity of the mouse + learn aiming at (in case of IPS panel - more visibile) players due to other colors (the eyes need to get used to new colors also)

Im still thinking about the guy who were using the Acer XF252Q (240hz TN) with the 3ms input lag and moved on Asus VG279QM and played on this better in Cs GO due to lower input lag, in this case 2ms. Or maybe he was better due to the Estimated Signal Processing Lag which is insanly low on Asus= 0.30ms.

I assume this is similar on the MAG, even u said its 2,4ms (total input lag?), so its still similar to 2ms )asus)
The 2,4ms on the MSI is based on Pixel Response Time Element ? dunno what is the difference vs Estimated Signal Processing Lag (0,3 on asus)
I know this is minimal difference but still its good to know

I think I'm going to get the Asus VG279QM, coming from a 120hz BENQ TN panel.
Will it be hard to get used to 27", coming from a 24'' monitor ? I play CSGO, Valorant and Apex competitively, and don't know what are the assets and drawbacks by playing in a 27'' instead of a 24'' monitor.

Stayle wrote: ↑

01 May 2020, 10:49

I think I'm going to get the Asus VG279QM, coming from a 120hz BENQ TN panel.
Will it be hard to get used to 27", coming from a 24'' monitor ? I play CSGO, Valorant and Apex competitively, and don't know what are the assets and drawbacks by playing in a 27'' instead of a 24'' monitor.

Actually i think 27 inch is even better, I never was a fan putting my monitor in front of my face. I prefer to care on my eyes and put the monitor back and it looks same like on 25 inch if u put it a little far compare to 25 inch closer to ur face,

also enemies are bigger imo, thats better, its all preference.

forii wrote: ↑

01 May 2020, 11:21

Stayle wrote: ↑

01 May 2020, 10:49

I think I'm going to get the Asus VG279QM, coming from a 120hz BENQ TN panel.
Will it be hard to get used to 27", coming from a 24'' monitor ? I play CSGO, Valorant and Apex competitively, and don't know what are the assets and drawbacks by playing in a 27'' instead of a 24'' monitor.

Actually i think 27 inch is even better, I never was a fan putting my monitor in front of my face. I prefer to care on my eyes and put the monitor back and it looks same like on 25 inch if u put it a little far compare to 25 inch closer to ur face,

also enemies are bigger imo, thats better, its all preference.

Oh same goes for me, I'm always pretty far from my monitor.
if it looks like a 25" it's going to be great haha.
enemies bigger to pop more heads .

The Predator Xb253qgxbmiiprzx looks interesting too, 240hz, 1ms, IPS 24" but I don't know about the colors, response time and input lag compared to this Asus.