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Having studied fighting game netcode extensively (and by proxy - anything that has to do with netcode) these were some incredibly good links. Thank you for sharing these!mello wrote: ↑02 Feb 2021, 10:21More on the out of order packets issue, which looks more and more like the root cause behind everything and ISP's network resilience, devices & configuration being the main culprit behind poor UDP packet handling:
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Essentially this is packet loss, even though the game does not alert the user of the issue (packet loss indicator) and there is no way to diagnose this problem as of right now. Packet loss or extensive out of order packets would result in degraded simulation accuracy and make it very difficult for people to predict where people are going, register shots, and otherwise participate in a real time fashion. This doesn't just effect Fortnite, it effects all games and how extensive depends on the engine and the netcode. I did not know this was a huge issue, but apparently it is.
Currently there does not seem to be any sort of ways of diagnosing this.
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Can be. Not always. Yes and no. Location dependant. VPN dependant. VPS dependant.blackmagic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2021, 15:13guys has someone of you experience with buy vps + run vpn on it ?
that probably better than all this gaming vpn's or i'm thinking wrong ?
Hey, Chief, I’ve tried warp+ in couple of online games, and they are working much better in terms of latency and jitter than my own isp. In case if you’ll ever have an answer for that , all games are connecting fine with it, except cs2 and dota2, those both games can’t connect to the backbone and instantly disconnects me from the server whatever I do . Maybe you would know workaround for that?Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑23 Mar 2021, 16:01Thinking....
New Little-Known CloudFlare WARP+ VPN as Dream Gaming VPN?
(The one with the plus sign, not just "WARP")
Some relevant VPN experience/ideas:
Recently (2019), CloudFlare began building a new Internet backbone of sorts (called Argo). I've already upgraded Blur Busters to use this backbone. If Blur Busters runs faster in year 2021, you can thank this backbone.
One thing is that Blur Busters recently did was upgrading all our web infrastructure to sometimes dynamically run over CloudFlare's paid 79 terabits/sec backbone (Argo). So Blur Busters now pays hundreds per month for CloudFlare (DDoS protection + massive performance increase + upgraded CDN features). Which means Blur Busters websites now runs faster, with large amounts of distributed caching worldwide -- overseas visitors have noticed that Forums and TestUFO now runs more than 2x faster for example. And scales better to traffic surges. Blur Busters can now support over 100x+ more web visitor surge (above average) -- without error pages, essentially mostly surge-proofing, DDoS-proofing and Reddit-proofing this server (for the most part) since CloudFlare also acts as a DDoS/bot/hacker firewall.
(That said, CloudFlare sometimes is a bit too protective -- captcha pages -- so please inform me if you're getting CloudFlare messages)
This is relevant for gaming, because CloudFlare is currently working on a new ultra-low-latency paid VPN service called WARP+ (The one with the plus sign, not the free WARP service for mobiles).
What I have learned is that CloudFlare now is offering VPN service. Now I put two and two together -- new backbone, new VPN. I wonder if they might be a good gaming VPN, at least for locations close to CloudFlare POPs...?
I need to test the CloudFlare "WARP+" paid VPN:
Based on my Blur Busters speedup experience, it might be the dream gaming VPN for endpoints near CloudFlare POPs (Point of Prescences). This little known gem of a potentially good VPN to try would be the CloudFlare Teams Enterprise ($14/mo) with customizable worldwide network routing (editable IP network locations!) with the brand new WARP+ paid VPN service -- a WireGuard VPN running over CloudFlare's ~80 terabit/sec "Argo" backbone. It may be worthwhile to test out WARP+ sometime (it's based off WireGuard) because the CloudFlare backbone is over 100x bigger than the major VPN providers, and while WARP+ would be one semi-expensive VPN (pay-per-gigabyte), it would go over one of the world's fastest low-latency Internet backbones.
Skip the free CloudFlare VPN stuff though for latency-critical applications, while it might work better than an average VPN, I find CloudFlare performance is much better when paid.
It's very fast because such an incredible number of ISPs "peer" with CloudFlare (because many sites are CloudFlare) and CloudFlare simultaneously also happen to have their own worldwide backbone (Argo, etc), so that easily explains why you get better lag & jitter. In many cases, it sidesteps the ISPs' own preferred discount backbone.kriegsnake wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 14:15Hey, Chief, I’ve tried warp+ in couple of online games, and they are working much better in terms of latency and jitter than my own isp. In case if you’ll ever have an answer for that , all games are connecting fine with it, except cs2 and dota2, those both games can’t connect to the backbone and instantly disconnects me from the server whatever I do . Maybe you would know workaround for that?
chief i saw that WireGuard is used by a lot of famous "commercial" brands... Could u suggest one to try for gaming so udp included?Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 15:30It's very fast because such an incredible number of ISPs "peer" with CloudFlare (because many sites are CloudFlare) and CloudFlare simultaneously also happen to have their own worldwide backbone (Argo, etc), so that easily explains why you get better lag & jitter. In many cases, it sidesteps the ISPs' own preferred discount backbone.kriegsnake wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 14:15Hey, Chief, I’ve tried warp+ in couple of online games, and they are working much better in terms of latency and jitter than my own isp. In case if you’ll ever have an answer for that , all games are connecting fine with it, except cs2 and dota2, those both games can’t connect to the backbone and instantly disconnects me from the server whatever I do . Maybe you would know workaround for that?
Although kind of against Net Neutrality principles, it ends up being (in a roundabout VPN-washing way) behaves like a toll lane on a freeway that already connects to your ISP.
However, I do not know why CS2 or DOTA2 does not allow this. Perhaps it's because hackers also use it for nefarious purposes, or perhaps it's because it gives too much an unfair advantage (in the game publishers' opinion).
I really wish that publishers would allow additional low-latency leagues that would satisfy the esports crowds, for people on low-lag low-jitter networks to be paired with similar people.
And not have to restrict overly-advantageous VPNs like the delicious-but-expensive toll freeway carpool lanes on the information superhighway that Warp+ VPN essentially gives you (at least in some countries)...
In many locations well-served by CloudFlare, it ends up being the superfast Ferrari VPN compared to the laggy McDonald's VPN providers. So much so, that a small number of game publishers *seems* to be restricting it (Shame on you Valve, please instead gamematch users of this VPN into a low-lag league instead for these members). I don't know why the people at these publishers of our favourite games, came to this decision, but I'd like a different status quo.