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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 02:31
by StareX
axaro1 wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 07:53
AMA High vs OD120
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Dyac+ vs ELMB
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AMA High vs OD60
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Man.. the XL2546K looks really good.. sharper than the Asus ..

Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 03:01
by steroid4sammy
Will anyone reply to my post?....

Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 05:51
by axaro1
steroid4sammy wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 03:01
Will anyone reply to my post?....
I'm not really sure that I understood the part about 120hz looking better than 240hz, 120hz Dyac+ does have less crosstalk than 240hz which is absolutely normal and it's why the 181hz trick exist in the first place, personally I just stick to 240hz strobing, double images are not an issue since G2G is extremely fast at every refresh rate.

I don't have an Nvidia gpu but apparently it does support Gsync with DP and not with HDMI (Maybe you have to mess with CRU to make it work thru HDMI but I'd just stick with DP).

As for the settings I recommend AMA High if you want to play with Dyac OFF or Dyac Premium with AMA Premium if you want to strobe.

Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 14:38
by steroid4sammy
axaro1 wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 05:51
steroid4sammy wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 03:01
Will anyone reply to my post?....
I'm not really sure that I understood the part about 120hz looking better than 240hz, 120hz Dyac+ does have less crosstalk than 240hz which is absolutely normal and it's why the 181hz trick exist in the first place, personally I just stick to 240hz strobing, double images are not an issue since G2G is extremely fast at every refresh rate.

I don't have an Nvidia gpu but apparently it does support Gsync with DP and not with HDMI (Maybe you have to mess with CRU to make it work thru HDMI but I'd just stick with DP).

As for the settings I recommend AMA High if you want to play with Dyac OFF or Dyac Premium with AMA Premium if you want to strobe.

Thank you for info

Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 14:59
by steroid4sammy
I have another question about displayport.
Should I replace my original displayport 1.2 with 1.4 ? or it dosen't matter at all ?
After few days of testing the image I still think something goes wrong with 240 hz...the motion clarity it's not right with my unit at least

Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 17:20
by Chief Blur Buster
axaro1 wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 05:51
I'm not really sure that I understood the part about 120hz looking better than 240hz, 120hz Dyac+ does have less crosstalk than 240hz which is absolutely normal and it's why the 181hz trick exist in the first place, personally I just stick to 240hz strobing, double images are not an issue since G2G is extremely fast at every refresh rate.
It's a "Right Tool For Right Job" factor.

If you're a "VSYNC OFF user in competitive esports", then 240Hz is better than 120Hz for your needs.

However, some of us are framerate=Hz fluidity nuts (myself included).

But if:
1. You use a Sonic Hedgehog Style scrolling platformer or RTS/MOBA game, it can help to have TestUFO-smooth scrolling and panning
2. Or you want framerate=Hz perfect fluidity like a Super Mario Brothers CRT, or Sega Arcade CRT (Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter 3);
3. Or if you really hate stutters AND hate motion blur AND hate double images AND hate tearing, then the only nirvana is perfect framerate=Hz on a CRT or good strobing. Smoother and better looking than GSYNC too, if properly optimized.

Then you don't want double images at all. I want TestUFO-smooth mouseturns, with the whole screen scrolling as perfectly smooth as a TestUFO test, or a Nintendo Super Mario Brothers. This is not easy to do, and requires a high DPI (e.g. 1600dpi-3200dpi) configured to low sensitivity, in certain supported games, and using Low-Lag VSYNC or using RTSS Scanline Sync. In this case, "VSYNC ON" style technologies like those can be hella lot more fun than VSYNC OFF for solo-gaming where lag doesn't matter as much.

Some people prioritize on latency, while other people prioritizes on perfect CRT motion clarity. It's possible to get some modern 3D games scrolling exactly perfectly smooth as an old 60fps 8-bit game -- with zero motion blur, game scrolling stutterlessly/blurlessly/tearlessly as www.testufo.com/photo with strobing turned on. You cannot do that with VSYNC OFF and you cannot yet easily do that at 240Hz (single-image crosstalkless at current GtG speeds)

If you have never ever tried framerate=Hz before with a high-dpi high-Hz mouse (at low sensitivity) with a CRT tube or Blur Busters Approved strobing.

Now, if you're more picky about latency, then VSYNC OFF is often better, and if you hate tearing, then 360Hz VRR is the world's lowest-lag non-VSYNC-OFF technology money can buy. On the other hand, if you hate blur/stutters/tearing, then VSYNC ON strobed with a highDPI mouse (high DPI, low sensitivity) looks amazing if you're very motionblur-sensitive / stutter-sensitive. Mind you, not all games work very well with mouse at >800dpi (e.g. CS:GO), so your mileage will vary.

Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 24 Dec 2020, 12:16
by StareX
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 17:20
axaro1 wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 05:51
I'm not really sure that I understood the part about 120hz looking better than 240hz, 120hz Dyac+ does have less crosstalk than 240hz which is absolutely normal and it's why the 181hz trick exist in the first place, personally I just stick to 240hz strobing, double images are not an issue since G2G is extremely fast at every refresh rate.
It's a "Right Tool For Right Job" factor.

If you're a "VSYNC OFF user in competitive esports", then 240Hz is better than 120Hz for your needs.

However, some of us are framerate=Hz fluidity nuts (myself included).

But if:
1. You use a Sonic Hedgehog Style scrolling platformer or RTS/MOBA game, it can help to have TestUFO-smooth scrolling and panning
2. Or you want framerate=Hz perfect fluidity like a Super Mario Brothers CRT, or Sega Arcade CRT (Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter 3);
3. Or if you really hate stutters AND hate motion blur AND hate double images AND hate tearing, then the only nirvana is perfect framerate=Hz on a CRT or good strobing. Smoother and better looking than GSYNC too, if properly optimized.

Then you don't want double images at all. I want TestUFO-smooth mouseturns, with the whole screen scrolling as perfectly smooth as a TestUFO test, or a Nintendo Super Mario Brothers. This is not easy to do, and requires a high DPI (e.g. 1600dpi-3200dpi) configured to low sensitivity, in certain supported games, and using Low-Lag VSYNC or using RTSS Scanline Sync. In this case, "VSYNC ON" style technologies like those can be hella lot more fun than VSYNC OFF for solo-gaming where lag doesn't matter as much.

Some people prioritize on latency, while other people prioritizes on perfect CRT motion clarity. It's possible to get some modern 3D games scrolling exactly perfectly smooth as an old 60fps 8-bit game -- with zero motion blur, game scrolling stutterlessly/blurlessly/tearlessly as www.testufo.com/photo with strobing turned on. You cannot do that with VSYNC OFF and you cannot yet easily do that at 240Hz (single-image crosstalkless at current GtG speeds)

If you have never ever tried framerate=Hz before with a high-dpi high-Hz mouse (at low sensitivity) with a CRT tube or Blur Busters Approved strobing.

Now, if you're more picky about latency, then VSYNC OFF is often better, and if you hate tearing, then 360Hz VRR is the world's lowest-lag non-VSYNC-OFF technology money can buy. On the other hand, if you hate blur/stutters/tearing, then VSYNC ON strobed with a highDPI mouse (high DPI, low sensitivity) looks amazing if you're very motionblur-sensitive / stutter-sensitive. Mind you, not all games work very well with mouse at >800dpi (e.g. CS:GO), so your mileage will vary.

you're convincing me to go 360Hz D:, and probably get one of those 2000Hz / 8000Hz mice soon if they ever come out..

Interesting data, seriously..

Yet though, I never understood Scanline sync, it looks kinda the same to me as a frame rate limiter... or am I using it wrong?
I set it to -1 right? but the ctrl+shift+up/down doesnt work for me despite the hotkeys enabled D:

Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 24 Dec 2020, 13:41
by ms.potatoe
IMO. I have tested and returned the PG259QN. If I focus on a specific enemy, the PG259QN is a bit more fluid for tracking. However the overview of what is happening is clearer in the XL2546K (without Dyac +, ULMB). The trails from the UFO test on the PG259QN are clearly visible in-game and everything is a bit blurry. For a game like CSGO I would hesitate, for a game like Overwatch I choose the XL2546K. In any case I am looking forward to the VG258QM. IMO

Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 24 Dec 2020, 15:30
by Chief Blur Buster
ms.potatoe wrote:
24 Dec 2020, 13:41
IMO. I have tested and returned the PG259QN. If I focus on a specific enemy, the PG259QN is a bit more fluid for tracking. However the overview of what is happening is clearer in the XL2546K (without Dyac +, ULMB). The trails from the UFO test on the PG259QN are clearly visible in-game and everything is a bit blurry. For a game like CSGO I would hesitate, for a game like Overwatch I choose the XL2546K. In any case I am looking forward to the VG258QM. IMO
It's clearly true that LCD GtG

I wish to eventually see GtG100% improve on both leading and trailing edges of ultra-high-Hz LCD. Blue-phase LCDs can do microsecond pixel response, and we have lots of LCD improvement coming in the next 10-20 years, as well as potentially OLED/MicroLED.

Over the long term, I am eventually convincing some manufacturers to implement 100-level Overdrive (an overdrive slider) which can help mitigate concerns such as these too.

Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Posted: 24 Dec 2020, 15:47
by steroid4sammy
Guys I have 1 more question. Is anybody else here who using an Nvidia GPU with xl2546k ?
Because I think the ,,issues'' that I have with my unit might be because of this weird compatibility between my 2070S and the xl2546k which is freesync...I don't know I might be wrong
I would like to hear opinions from other users who are having an Nvidia gpu and this monitor. Thank you