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Posted: **30 Aug 2022, 20:05**

TheKelz wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 10:05
What exactly do you mean? Yes, I changed apartments, still the same, nothing changed. And if it's not electricity and something else but hidden, what can it be?

Valve's conspiracy to keep control over amount of top players. If there was a guy who claimed that only his steam account was shit @ lan, then I have no better theory. On my brother's laptop in "input lag affected" place and on his steam account CS:GO works much better than on my rocket PC.

This problem is unfixable. It must be something deeper because I can't believe that so many people involved in this shit were not able to find anything promising. Funny thing that many pro players travelling around the world, living in different places, changing PCs are capable of maintaining the same skill for years.

Posted: **30 Aug 2022, 23:04**

a_c_r_e_a_l wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 20:05

TheKelz wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 10:05
What exactly do you mean? Yes, I changed apartments, still the same, nothing changed. And if it's not electricity and something else but hidden, what can it be?
Valve's conspiracy to keep control over amount of top players. If there was a guy who claimed that only his steam account was shit @ lan, then I have no better theory. On my brother's laptop in "input lag affected" place and on his steam account CS:GO works much better than on my rocket PC.

This problem is unfixable. It must be something deeper because I can't believe that so many people involved in this shit were not able to find anything promising. Funny thing that many pro players travelling around the world, living in different places, changing PCs are capable of maintaining the same skill for years.

I tested this in a brand new gaming notebook that never has steam installed only valorant with riot launcher and epic games launcher with fortnite the problem is exactly the same same shitty input lag.

Posted: **31 Aug 2022, 01:24**

a_c_r_e_a_l wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 20:05

TheKelz wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 10:05
What exactly do you mean? Yes, I changed apartments, still the same, nothing changed. And if it's not electricity and something else but hidden, what can it be?
Valve's conspiracy to keep control over amount of top players. If there was a guy who claimed that only his steam account was shit @ lan, then I have no better theory. On my brother's laptop in "input lag affected" place and on his steam account CS:GO works much better than on my rocket PC.

This problem is unfixable. It must be something deeper because I can't believe that so many people involved in this shit were not able to find anything promising. Funny thing that many pro players travelling around the world, living in different places, changing PCs are capable of maintaining the same skill for years.

The input lag is not limited to CSGO only. I've experienced it with Valo and Fortnite too. Unless all companies have the same algorithm "to limit to keep control over the amount of top players" which is highly unlikely.

Posted: **31 Aug 2022, 05:47**

Thatweirdinputlag wrote: ↑
31 Aug 2022, 01:24
The input lag is not limited to CSGO only. I've experienced it with Valo and Fortnite too. Unless all companies have the same algorithm "to limit to keep control over the amount of top players" which is highly unlikely.

Finally, you understand

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Posted: **31 Aug 2022, 08:57**

Thatweirdinputlag wrote: ↑
31 Aug 2022, 01:24

a_c_r_e_a_l wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 20:05

TheKelz wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 10:05
What exactly do you mean? Yes, I changed apartments, still the same, nothing changed. And if it's not electricity and something else but hidden, what can it be?
Valve's conspiracy to keep control over amount of top players. If there was a guy who claimed that only his steam account was shit @ lan, then I have no better theory. On my brother's laptop in "input lag affected" place and on his steam account CS:GO works much better than on my rocket PC.

This problem is unfixable. It must be something deeper because I can't believe that so many people involved in this shit were not able to find anything promising. Funny thing that many pro players travelling around the world, living in different places, changing PCs are capable of maintaining the same skill for years.
The input lag is not limited to CSGO only. I've experienced it with Valo and Fortnite too. Unless all companies have the same algorithm "to limit to keep control over the amount of top players" which is highly unlikely.

This. I never had a steam account in the first place when this issue started. My account is very recent and I don't even have Steam installed on my PC right now. This issue is just hard to diagnose, but I'm sure it can be fixed. There is no reason why in some places it feels fine but feels like shit in the others. What I mean is that before buying Asus Maximus Hero recently, the technician was testing it with me and when I used it, mouse felt million times better than my PC at my house ever felt, even when it fixes itself for a moment, it was never on that level. Also, PC that I've bought in 2018 was actually built in the office I worked at. It was there for like 2 months, we would play games on it, then I bought it and brought to my home and boom, issues started. This is something I've realized only recently (dumb me). I'm very convinced it has something to do with the electricity or idk what to call it. Also, I have an iMac provided by my job which I can confirm has the same slow mouse/input lag issue.

Posted: **31 Aug 2022, 11:27**

TheKelz wrote: ↑
31 Aug 2022, 08:57

Thatweirdinputlag wrote: ↑
31 Aug 2022, 01:24

a_c_r_e_a_l wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 20:05

TheKelz wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 10:05
What exactly do you mean? Yes, I changed apartments, still the same, nothing changed. And if it's not electricity and something else but hidden, what can it be?
Valve's conspiracy to keep control over amount of top players. If there was a guy who claimed that only his steam account was shit @ lan, then I have no better theory. On my brother's laptop in "input lag affected" place and on his steam account CS:GO works much better than on my rocket PC.

This problem is unfixable. It must be something deeper because I can't believe that so many people involved in this shit were not able to find anything promising. Funny thing that many pro players travelling around the world, living in different places, changing PCs are capable of maintaining the same skill for years.
The input lag is not limited to CSGO only. I've experienced it with Valo and Fortnite too. Unless all companies have the same algorithm "to limit to keep control over the amount of top players" which is highly unlikely.
This. I never had a steam account in the first place when this issue started. My account is very recent and I don't even have Steam installed on my PC right now. This issue is just hard to diagnose, but I'm sure it can be fixed. There is no reason why in some places it feels fine but feels like shit in the others. What I mean is that before buying Asus Maximus Hero recently, the technician was testing it with me and when I used it, mouse felt million times better than my PC at my house ever felt, even when it fixes itself for a moment, it was never on that level. Also, PC that I've bought in 2018 was actually built in the office I worked at. It was there for like 2 months, we would play games on it, then I bought it and brought to my home and boom, issues started. This is something I've realized only recently (dumb me). I'm very convinced it has something to do with the electricity or idk what to call it. Also, I have an iMac provided by my job which I can confirm has the same slow mouse/input lag issue.

Ok if your convinced it’s electricity, go but a refundable power station and use it at your apartment and also play in an area that don’t have buildings n far away from city, needs some work but you will know exactly what to do after. I’m trying a lot of stuff to no avail.

Recently tried windows 10 version released on April 30 2018 (last version support rtx cards and has faceit as well) , it gave me the least input lag among all versions, obviously the main lag from electricity is still present but mouse feels extremely light. Try that to make your games abit fun in the meantime b4 finding a huge fix.

Posted: **31 Aug 2022, 13:33**

assombrosso wrote: ↑
31 Aug 2022, 11:27

TheKelz wrote: ↑
31 Aug 2022, 08:57

Thatweirdinputlag wrote: ↑
31 Aug 2022, 01:24

a_c_r_e_a_l wrote: ↑
30 Aug 2022, 20:05

Valve's conspiracy to keep control over amount of top players. If there was a guy who claimed that only his steam account was shit @ lan, then I have no better theory. On my brother's laptop in "input lag affected" place and on his steam account CS:GO works much better than on my rocket PC.

This problem is unfixable. It must be something deeper because I can't believe that so many people involved in this shit were not able to find anything promising. Funny thing that many pro players travelling around the world, living in different places, changing PCs are capable of maintaining the same skill for years.
The input lag is not limited to CSGO only. I've experienced it with Valo and Fortnite too. Unless all companies have the same algorithm "to limit to keep control over the amount of top players" which is highly unlikely.
This. I never had a steam account in the first place when this issue started. My account is very recent and I don't even have Steam installed on my PC right now. This issue is just hard to diagnose, but I'm sure it can be fixed. There is no reason why in some places it feels fine but feels like shit in the others. What I mean is that before buying Asus Maximus Hero recently, the technician was testing it with me and when I used it, mouse felt million times better than my PC at my house ever felt, even when it fixes itself for a moment, it was never on that level. Also, PC that I've bought in 2018 was actually built in the office I worked at. It was there for like 2 months, we would play games on it, then I bought it and brought to my home and boom, issues started. This is something I've realized only recently (dumb me). I'm very convinced it has something to do with the electricity or idk what to call it. Also, I have an iMac provided by my job which I can confirm has the same slow mouse/input lag issue.
Ok if your convinced it’s electricity, go but a refundable power station and use it at your apartment and also play in an area that don’t have buildings n far away from city, needs some work but you will know exactly what to do after. I’m trying a lot of stuff to no avail.

Recently tried windows 10 version released on April 30 2018 (last version support rtx cards and has faceit as well) , it gave me the least input lag among all versions, obviously the main lag from electricity is still present but mouse feels extremely light. Try that to make your games abit fun in the meantime b4 finding a huge fix.

That's too much hassle and I don't think it will help imo. What I'm sure will help is changing stuff related to electricity in my apartment itself. There's this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2vht3m ... WL&index=5 (it's in Russlan). He fixed his issue by changing network interference-canceling filter or whatever it's called and did some other stuff as well. Basically, everything that makes the electricity work in your house needs to be newer/better quality.

Why I think this is true is because there's a clear evidence that there are places where everything works fine and there are places where it doesn't. I'm still yet to bring my PC to the office I used to work at of course but I know for sure all the thousands of PCs I worked with at that office never had such issue, especially because by that time I knew about my issue and would always look for it when working with those computers and never could replicate it, which was making me even more depressed. I'm gonna examine everything related to electricity in that office once I'll get there, I'm curious and wanna see if I will be proven wrong.

Posted: **01 Sep 2022, 18:32**

TheKelz wrote: ↑
20 Aug 2022, 03:48
So hey guys, I'm a victim of this issue as well (more explanation below). As the title says, I'm just creating this thread to keep you guys updated and let you know once (or IF) I'll be able to get rid of this input lag/stutter/mouse like on ice issue.

So here's the small story. This all started in 2018, when I first time ever got a pretty "high end" rig (at least for me, before I had old LGA775 systems, which didn't have those issues, mind you). It was a DDR3 system with i7 4790K,16GB of RAM and GTX 1060 3GB. Sure, nothing special with DDR4 systems around, but for me it was big. Everything looked fine until I finally started realizing that it's not me being older or something that makes me lose in competitive games, it's my rig. More and more I started noticing that when I first open the game, first 2 minutes are very fast and smooth, but then slowly yet suddenly, my mouse is getting slower, feels like it is sliding on ice and all inputs from keyboard to mouse become delayed, I start getting some strange microstutters and hitreg is very delayed and close to non-existent. This is where I realized my skill is good, because those first 2 minutes is where I absolutely wreck through everyone with no effort, but then I'm declining quickly.

Fast forward to today, this is what I've tried:
1. I moved to a different place, no change
2. Tried all Windows tweaks possible, but the same thing happens NOT only in games, but in Windows or even BIOS
3. Different monitors (from 60hz to 75hz to 144hz)
4. Different PCs. First it was my DDR3 system then DDR4 and then another DDR4
5. Different peripherals (mouse, keyboard, even speakers to see if my speakers are creating this issue)
6. Different ethernet cables (or no cables at all, same issue when I'm offline)
7. Different routers
8. Different ISP
9. Many BIOS tweaks, XMP or no XMP, tweaking RAM timings and sub timings, OC'ing or downlocking CPU, same with GPU
10. You name it

My system right now is:
i9 10850k stock
Asus Rog Maximus XII Hero (previously MSI MPG Z490 Gaming plus and Gigabyte Z590 UD)
G.Skill Trident Z 3200Mhz CL16 (previously Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro Dual Channel 32GB 3600CL18)
Sapphire Pulse RX 6600 XT (update: sold it, buying Nvidia soon)
Corsair RM750 PSU
All new Sata Samsung SSDs (all 100% healthy)
Windows 10 21h2

So, right now I'm planning to bring this PC to a place where I used to work at and build PCs and I remember none of them would have any input lag issues. I'm doing this to test if my PC will do the same with their electricity, and if yes, they have spare parts I can test my PC with and troubleshoot. So if anyone is as determined to fix this seemingly unfixable crap as me, you can follow this thread because I will keep this post updated. I really want to get done with this and also help you guys, so lets see if I'll be able to find the fix.

Holy hell, have you tried a different reality? fabric of spacetime might be interfering with your PC.

On a serious note, what versions of windows were on each system, in order of installation/downgrade/upgrade.

On windows 10+ systems, did you disable fullscreen optimzation for the games you primarily play?

Makes fullscreen games Borderless Windowed, which then in turn causes the DWM to add Windows-induced Gsync (WSync?)
which was enabled for 8 months on my main system without me knowing, but feeling a problem.

Give the serial/part number of your current RAM kit.

Clear your motherboards CMOS and reply with all of the primary timings and subtimings at JEDEC (Which is stock).

Then proceed to enable XMP and post all of those timings and subtimings as well.

Download CPU-Z, and on the SPD Tab, see what the recommended timing configuration is for your installed kit.

Post the results here.

Try selective DIMM occupation/configuration. (1 DIMM at a time in slots 1-4, 2 DIMMS in slots 1/3, 2/4, 1/4 , 1/2, 3/4 and 4 DIMMS in all 4 slots.) Test responsiveness after each reconfiguration.

I would use a fresh install of windows as well to make sure other changes you might have made don't effect these, and potentially once more on Windows 10 Legacy.

What USB ports were you using to test? (2.0, 3.0, 3.1 or 3.1 Gen 2), and which one felt the best? (USB 2.0 Generally feels the most responsive.)

And if nothing prior to this produced any results,
Try Ryzen.

Posted: **01 Sep 2022, 18:40**

2Victory wrote: ↑
01 Sep 2022, 18:32
What USB ports were you using to test? (2.0, 3.0, 3.1 or 3.1 Gen 2), and which one felt the best? (USB 2.0 Generally feels the most responsive.)

Don't forget bus congestion. Sometimes a PCIe USB card works better to allow you to dedicate your high-Hz keyboard & mouse on separate USB chips, since many people plug too much stuff on motherboard USB ports which is often behaving like a USB hub. Also, USB3 isn't that bad -- it's often the driver. Try switching between, say, the Microsoft driver and the motherboard driver or mouse manufacturer driver, sometimes the Microsoft USB HID driver is sometimes all you need and performs with less overhead -- where USB3 and USB2 feels the same with, say a Razer 8KHz mouse or similar.

And sometimes, you need to do weird things like uninstall the Realtek driver and use the Microsoft driver for the onboard audio -- sometimes the sound driver jitters around a high-Hz mouse more than it should -- there's a lot of weird sheninigians going on with different motherboards. A few users got major mouse improvements after playing USB roulette, so you are right about the USB advice.

2Victory wrote: ↑
01 Sep 2022, 18:32
And if nothing prior to this produced any results,
Try Ryzen.

While Ryzen is pretty good in some things, it comes with its tradeoffs. Intel historically has less latencies (if you avoid the side problems like USB and Realtek etc mentioned above), but one can tweak a Ryzen system to behave better latency-wise. I've seen situations go both ways (AMD outperforming Intel, and Intel outperforming AMD) -- it just requires very different optimization tips that are sometimes CPU-specific and motherboard-specific.

Note: You'll see a wide variety of tweakers here doing all kinds of crazy stuff. Some form members go as far as to tweak the core-enabling/disabling for games / thread affinity tricks. There is a lot of inter-core lag on many-core CPUs so sometimes disabling half the cores reduces inter-core latencies dramatically, e.g. playing CS:GO on say, a 32-core CPU may feel better if you nerf it to 8-core or 6-core -- this goes with both Intel and AMD -- especially if the dies for half of the cores are distant from each other. Another tip is thread-affinity to keep the game only communicating on the lowest-lag cores, but the drivers might try to run on the distant cores, increasing inter-core latencies. These are only tiny latencies, but as they say they build up -- death by a million nanoseconds is still a millisecond. A single driver event that executes lots of back-and-fourth intercore operations, may mean a single mouse poll might take 2x the CPU, or 2x the overhead for a single draw operation -- weird slowdowns in unoptimized stuff. The clumped latencies that builds up can be a problem in the refresh rate race. Much placebo, but much real stuff. Proceed at own risk.

Posted: **02 Sep 2022, 12:46**

2Victory wrote: ↑
01 Sep 2022, 18:32

TheKelz wrote: ↑
20 Aug 2022, 03:48
So hey guys, I'm a victim of this issue as well (more explanation below). As the title says, I'm just creating this thread to keep you guys updated and let you know once (or IF) I'll be able to get rid of this input lag/stutter/mouse like on ice issue.

So here's the small story. This all started in 2018, when I first time ever got a pretty "high end" rig (at least for me, before I had old LGA775 systems, which didn't have those issues, mind you). It was a DDR3 system with i7 4790K,16GB of RAM and GTX 1060 3GB. Sure, nothing special with DDR4 systems around, but for me it was big. Everything looked fine until I finally started realizing that it's not me being older or something that makes me lose in competitive games, it's my rig. More and more I started noticing that when I first open the game, first 2 minutes are very fast and smooth, but then slowly yet suddenly, my mouse is getting slower, feels like it is sliding on ice and all inputs from keyboard to mouse become delayed, I start getting some strange microstutters and hitreg is very delayed and close to non-existent. This is where I realized my skill is good, because those first 2 minutes is where I absolutely wreck through everyone with no effort, but then I'm declining quickly.

Fast forward to today, this is what I've tried:
1. I moved to a different place, no change
2. Tried all Windows tweaks possible, but the same thing happens NOT only in games, but in Windows or even BIOS
3. Different monitors (from 60hz to 75hz to 144hz)
4. Different PCs. First it was my DDR3 system then DDR4 and then another DDR4
5. Different peripherals (mouse, keyboard, even speakers to see if my speakers are creating this issue)
6. Different ethernet cables (or no cables at all, same issue when I'm offline)
7. Different routers
8. Different ISP
9. Many BIOS tweaks, XMP or no XMP, tweaking RAM timings and sub timings, OC'ing or downlocking CPU, same with GPU
10. You name it

My system right now is:
i9 10850k stock
Asus Rog Maximus XII Hero (previously MSI MPG Z490 Gaming plus and Gigabyte Z590 UD)
G.Skill Trident Z 3200Mhz CL16 (previously Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro Dual Channel 32GB 3600CL18)
Sapphire Pulse RX 6600 XT (update: sold it, buying Nvidia soon)
Corsair RM750 PSU
All new Sata Samsung SSDs (all 100% healthy)
Windows 10 21h2

So, right now I'm planning to bring this PC to a place where I used to work at and build PCs and I remember none of them would have any input lag issues. I'm doing this to test if my PC will do the same with their electricity, and if yes, they have spare parts I can test my PC with and troubleshoot. So if anyone is as determined to fix this seemingly unfixable crap as me, you can follow this thread because I will keep this post updated. I really want to get done with this and also help you guys, so lets see if I'll be able to find the fix.
Holy hell, have you tried a different reality? fabric of spacetime might be interfering with your PC.

On a serious note, what versions of windows were on each system, in order of installation/downgrade/upgrade.

On windows 10+ systems, did you disable fullscreen optimzation for the games you primarily play?

Makes fullscreen games Borderless Windowed, which then in turn causes the DWM to add Windows-induced Gsync (WSync?)
which was enabled for 8 months on my main system without me knowing, but feeling a problem.

Give the serial/part number of your current RAM kit.

Clear your motherboards CMOS and reply with all of the primary timings and subtimings at JEDEC (Which is stock).

Then proceed to enable XMP and post all of those timings and subtimings as well.

Download CPU-Z, and on the SPD Tab, see what the recommended timing configuration is for your installed kit.

Post the results here.

Try selective DIMM occupation/configuration. (1 DIMM at a time in slots 1-4, 2 DIMMS in slots 1/3, 2/4, 1/4 , 1/2, 3/4 and 4 DIMMS in all 4 slots.) Test responsiveness after each reconfiguration.

I would use a fresh install of windows as well to make sure other changes you might have made don't effect these, and potentially once more on Windows 10 Legacy.

What USB ports were you using to test? (2.0, 3.0, 3.1 or 3.1 Gen 2), and which one felt the best? (USB 2.0 Generally feels the most responsive.)

And if nothing prior to this produced any results,
Try Ryzen.

That's a lot of stuff to do, but I can tell you fulscreen optimizations don't work at all. Also, about 3 years ago, I did have my suspicions regarding RAM because I first noticed that this issue gets better/worse by tweaking memory timings, but in the end, it still slows down no matter what I do. Tried different DIMM slots as well, no dice.

Fresh Windows with Legacy mode, different USB ports and all this stuff has been investigated as well, it's all the same. That's the thing, I've tried all this stuff and it never fixes the issue, some even call be a bullshitter because they think I am seeing things or straight up lying about my issue, but I'm not. I can make my mouse faster/smoother with some of those tweaks, but it doesn't fix the main issue: overall input of the PC, not just mouse. Everything because slower on my PC and it can be easily felt in BIOS as well, because it is smooth enough to also feel the difference. Hell, my brother who is not techsavvy noticed this issue while playing Euro Truck simulator, he said it feels weird that the truck responds fast to turns first, but then gradually becomes less responsive, making him change the sensitivity every 2 minutes.

As for RAM, I will look into those timings, but again, I doubt they will totally fix the input lag. I have an iMac which basically has the same issue, can easily feel my mouse becoming heavy and then fast randomly all the time, just like on my main PC.

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