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I'm sorry I keep beating a dead horse guys but you can understand my concern when my last PC was a Core 2 Duo and R9 270 then I spend like $1200 on a Skylake build and I now have this annoying stutter. This never happened before and it never happens on my friends build, I went over and tried it out myself. What I don't get is why 1 system has no stutter and another does... is it luck of the draw?\


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How do I record with MSI Afterburner OSD on the screen? I have frametime,fps,usage etc. all on my OSD it shows up in-game but not on my capture software. Also fraps doesn't work for me for some reason, when I record it just shows a black screen.

Jbinn wrote:I'm sorry I keep beating a dead horse guys but you can understand my concern when my last PC was a Core 2 Duo and R9 270 then I spend like $1200 on a Skylake build and I now have this annoying stutter. This never happened before and it never happens on my friends build, I went over and tried it out myself. What I don't get is why 1 system has no stutter and another does... is it luck of the draw?

No, it's not luck at all, even with gsync off your friend's monitor has a much higher refresh rate, which will mitigate judder significantly. Better framerates and framerate caps can be factors as well.

Sparky wrote:

Jbinn wrote:I'm sorry I keep beating a dead horse guys but you can understand my concern when my last PC was a Core 2 Duo and R9 270 then I spend like $1200 on a Skylake build and I now have this annoying stutter. This never happened before and it never happens on my friends build, I went over and tried it out myself. What I don't get is why 1 system has no stutter and another does... is it luck of the draw?

No, it's not luck at all, even with gsync off your friend's monitor has a much higher refresh rate, which will mitigate judder significantly. Better framerates and framerate caps can be factors as well.

But I used my PC on his monitor and I get the same judder I get on my monitor.

Also do you know how to make MSI afterburner OSD show up in capture software? it isn't for me...

Sparky wrote:

If you go lookup 1080p60fps gaming videos with VSYNC disabled none of the videos have the stutter...

Yes they do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pq65aBAcKE

The ones that don't are running at much higher framerates or capped, and even then theres still a little judder, just not as much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK_UQh7t0-k

But wasn't the Judder in Fallout 4 Engine related? I have it in all games not just fallout. I guess I'm starting to understand that stutter is a byproduct of tearing/fps not matching refresh rate, I just never knew that I always figured 60fps+ was smooth at all times with tearing, I never know that it would cause STUTTER as well, nobody has ever mentioned at I guess other people are used to it or don't notice it?

I'm sure theres more than a few reasons why some PC's run smoother than mine, but I just wish I knew why... It's hard to believe that 2 identicle pc's one with a 390 and one with a 980ti the 980 runs day and night smoother when both cards present high fps.

This guy for instance, recording @ 30fps and has huge frame variance from like 30fps-70fps no cap or vsync and its much smoother than my game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxCr4u4Jfao

This is what I mean why does his look so much smoother with non 60fps recording, no vsync, no cap and fluctuating fps.

Jbinn wrote:It's hard to believe that 2 identicle pc's one with a 390 and one with a 980ti the 980 runs day and night smoother when both cards present high fps.

You're comparing two completely separate classes of GPU. A 980Ti is something like 50% faster than a 390. A 390 is a GTX 970-class GPU.
And not only that, NVIDIA are known for good frame pacing and optimized drivers, while AMD are known for bad frame pacing and single-threaded drivers. I would put money on at least some of your problems being caused by CPU load as a result of the single-threaded drivers.
In some games NVIDIA manage to have better frame pacing in SLI than AMD do with a single card.

Jbinn wrote:This guy for instance, recording @ 30fps and has huge frame variance from like 30fps-70fps no cap or vsync and its much smoother than my game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxCr4u4Jfao

That doesn't look smooth at all to me.
But you need to stop focusing on videos and start focusing on providing useful information.
A video in itself tells us nothing useful, it just confirms that the problem exists. We're not doubting that.
These videos do nothing to help solve the problem.

And again, you need to stop looking at other videos to judge smoothness. I'm pretty sure NVIDIA is doing something with Shadowplay that improves frame pacing in recordings compared to what you see on the monitor, at least if you're using the game capture mode rather than the desktop capture mode.

I'm not sure why you are having issues recording the Afterburner overlay because you appeared to have it working in your Battlefield 4 video. It wasn't displaying the right information, and was too small though. (couldn't read due to the compression)
I don't have any suggestions for getting it working, as I use Shadowplay to record things and haven't had any issues.

Recording FRAPS benchmarks and posting FRAFS graphs would tell us a lot though, without requiring video at all.
A video with the Afterburner stats would probably be better though, as it displays CPU and GPU usage and you can see when it's stuttering.


But I'm going to repeat this again: If you aren't using V-Sync in full-screen exclusive mode and running at a constant 60 FPS, it is not going to be smooth. Ever. That's just how games work.
The only solution for judder when you're not running at a locked 60 FPS (or whatever your refresh rate is) is to use a variable refresh rate monitor. No exceptions.

Jbinn wrote:Here we go 1080p@60fps with a smooth slower camera pan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVY8TmZ ... e=youtu.be

you can see VSYNC is much smoother even though VSYNC still has some stutter. Also if this is just Screen Tearing like most of you claim why is my capture software picking it up? I heard screen tearing isn't picked up by capture software and that it can only be seen with a camera? So this would be something else other than screen tearing correct? If that's the case why does VSYNC even fix it?

Do the same video with a controller, a mouse is never going to be as smooth as a controller when panning around.

Ok I'll try to reduce compression and get the MSI Afterburner stats on screen, I'll also plug in my 360 controller and do slow pans. I appreciate all the feedback and help guys, you have been by far more helpful than all the other forums and you guys don't treat me like I'm dumb kudos on that. I know I'm hard to deal with and I'm picky when it comes to this stuff but I need to get to the bottom of this, if it is normal and I need FREESYNC then so be it but i'll be PISSED if I get a freesync monitor for $350 and it doesn't fix this issue.

Jbinn wrote:Ok I'll try to reduce compression and get the MSI Afterburner stats on screen

If you display the stats larger, they're far less likely to be eaten by the compression.

Jbinn wrote:I need to get to the bottom of this, if it is normal and I need FREESYNC then so be it but i'll be PISSED if I get a freesync monitor for $350 and it doesn't fix this issue.

If the cause of this stutter is your games not being able to hold a 100% constant 60 FPS, FreeSync should fix it.
If the cause is something else, like the game engine or a CPU bottleneck, FreeSync can't fix that.

Glide wrote:

Jbinn wrote:Ok I'll try to reduce compression and get the MSI Afterburner stats on screen

If you display the stats larger, they're far less likely to be eaten by the compression.

Jbinn wrote:I need to get to the bottom of this, if it is normal and I need FREESYNC then so be it but i'll be PISSED if I get a freesync monitor for $350 and it doesn't fix this issue.

If the cause of this stutter is your games not being able to hold a 100% constant 60 FPS, FreeSync should fix it.
If the cause is something else, like the game engine or a CPU bottleneck, FreeSync can't fix that.

Is there literally anything else that can cause these stutters? Maybe a bad CPU? bad ram? bad HDD? Bad GPU? Anything at all? would my FPS fluctuate if that was the case as performance would probably dwindle? Also VSYNC probably wouldn't fix my issue if it was hardware related would it? I mean since VSYNC fixes it, it has to be variable refresh related correct?

I also noticed cutscenes in games and stuff also have the stutter, like on the intro to Battlefield when people are moving and the camera is moving I can see the same type of stutter.