Asus VG279qm/VG259QM vs MSI MAG251RX. in depth comparison of the best IPS 240hz(i've tried them all,Amazon BAN incoming)

[Kimpalon]

Thanks alot guys! Especially Chief, great stuff.

I think some of my repsonses are out of sync, since they need to be approved. But again, the only combo that produces the tearing/stuttering is 240hz/fps 250 cap. In Rocket League only. So far. I don't really play a ton of different games.

Look up how to uncap rocket league FPS. It is a simple change in the dll file. I run at 400-500 fps with the VG279qm @ 280hz with elbm-->ON and sync-->OFF. looks great to me with no noticeable tearing. Correct me if im wrong but having your fps far exceed your refresh rate is similar to matching fps and refresh rate w/ ELMB but now with less input lag.

Already done that, in the ini-file, worked like a charm.

What happens to your motion fluidity feel when you cap at 250fps with VRR enabled (during 280Hz VRR), or VSYNC OFF (during Custom Resolution Utility created 250Hz mode)? Also test multiple mouse poll rates 250, 500 and 1000 -- the opportunity of attempting a 250=250=250 sync combo (fps=Hz=pollrate) is very interesting for the 280Hz montor and upcoming 360Hz monitor.

280 VRR looks great, VSYNC OFF custom teared aswell, IF I recall correctly.

Kim is talking about rocket league which I am assuming he plays with a xbox or ps4 controller. Those devices have low polling rate, Xbox one controller is only 125hz.

Correct. DS4.


I am pretty much happy now that I have so many different solutions to this specific problem. But if you'd like to see what those scenarios look like, I could film the screen like I did earlier (best i can do?) since you guys have been so helpful

[Chief Blur Buster]

Thanks alot guys!
I think some of my repsonses are out of sync, since they need to be approved.

You've graduated from new-member status, posts no longer need to be approved once new members post a few posts.

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[Kimpalon]

You've graduated from new-member status, posts no longer need to be approved once new members post a few posts.

I graduate and instantly misclick and double post. Yay me.

[Chief Blur Buster]

I graduate and instantly misclick and double post. Yay me.

Fixed!

[whiskiz]

So, are people aware of monitors like these also:

TUF VG27AQ - IPS, 1440p, 165hz, HDR and ELMB sync

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRTFZMdn714

Omen 27 X - TN, 1440p, 240hz, AMD FreeSync 2 HDR (No G-sync but the Freesync is Nvidia compatible)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ybm_LOKWB4

1440p seems to definitely be the new era with 240hz, HDR, ELMB Sync etc coming out.

Best choice for all but ultra high fps/hz competitive gaming, no? Even then there's the 240hz 1440p Omen.

200+ refresh/fps 1440p may (will) require a beefier setup. I'm waiting on the next gen of Nvidia GPU coming out soon(tm)

Thoughts in comparison to the other monitors discussed in this thread?

I'm also looking to get a new monitor.

P.S 240hz + 40hz boosted, 80 overdrive, ELMB Sync, 1440p, IPS, HDR monitor when :p

[Kimpalon]

That's the two monitors I'm considering. VG27AQ and VG259QM. There is also the VG27BQ here in Sweden which is in between the other two in price. The BQ has the same specs as the AQ but is a TN. I have tried the BQ, but returned it for the QM.

It's close to impossible to decide, for me. I have always been a fps-head, 1080, TN, 24". Going 1440 just feels so... wrong. For me. The loss of frames is just painful. For me. I did love using it in Windows though. But I pretty much only game on my system, once the kids go to sleep. And it's usually, if not always, competitive.

I'll probably get a 1440 next time I upgrade my system, in two years or so. I don't know...

[senny22]

That's the two monitors I'm considering. VG27AQ and VG259QM. There is also the VG27BQ here in Sweden which is in between the other two in price. The BQ has the same specs as the AQ but is a TN. I have tried the BQ, but returned it for the QM.

It's close to impossible to decide, for me. I have always been a fps-head, 1080, TN, 24". Going 1440 just feels so... wrong. For me. The loss of frames is just painful. For me. I did love using it in Windows though. But I pretty much only game on my system, once the kids go to sleep. And it's usually, if not always, competitive.

I'll probably get a 1440 next time I upgrade my system, in two years or so. I don't know...

As a fellow swede, what's your take on the VG27BQ? I was very close to buying it but ended up buying the XF252Q instead. I'm mostly interested in the ghosting and somewhat the colors? There isn't any measurments for it so I'm looking for impressions instead.

[whiskiz]

Also, things i learnt in this thread:

-It's fine for fps to go over monitors max refresh if it goes much higher (in terms of sync and tearing)

-VRR causes some degree of input lag and may not be used by some because of it.

-Max hz may not always be best, as apparently 240hz ELMB 80D looks better than 280hz ELMB 80D.

-Apparently the higher the fps/hz is, the harder it is to see tearing so 200+ hz/fps monitors for example may not need motion blur tech as much, so monitors with high hz but without ELMB can still be a contender and generally making ELMB not the be-all end-all it first appears.

-Because of some of this, the comparison in this thread still hasn't really been solved because MSI still has high hz, so motion blur tech isn't needed as much while it has much better color, while the Asus has ELMB + 40hz (even though the extra 40hz apparently doesn't look as good) making it that much faster/clearer still.

Personally i'd kind of be leaning towards the MSI if tearing really is as unnoticeable as people say at high refresh (and the 240/280 + ELMB really is as small of an improvement as OP reported above) due to the much better color - but here's where i'd be looking at the Omen/Lenovo/AOC latest and greatest because there's only one thing better than a 240hz 1080p and that's a 240hz 1440p.

Nvidia 3080ti + Omen 27 X/Lenovo Legion Y27gq-25/AOC AG273QZ?

[jnashville]

I saw another review about the vg279qm is that it's better to use the 280hz with overdrive 80 without using elmb. Because anyway all kinds of strobing do cause a little more input lag.

I am playing csgo currently on an alienware aw2518h 240hz monitor. I have just ordered the 25inch variant, vg259qm and the monitor is going to be delivered today to me.

I was told not to turn on elmb esp for games such as cs go where the frame rates will go above the monitors refresh rate.

Anyway cant wait to test out the new monitor once it arrives. I will sell away my alienware 240hz TN panel.

[RLCSContender*]

I saw another review about the vg279qm is that it's better to use the 280hz with overdrive 80 without using elmb. Because anyway all kinds of strobing do cause a little more input lag.

I am playing csgo currently on an alienware aw2518h 240hz monitor. I have just ordered the 25inch variant, vg259qm and the monitor is going to be delivered today to me.

I was told not to turn on elmb esp for games such as cs go where the frame rates will go above the monitors refresh rate.

Anyway cant wait to test out the new monitor once it arrives. I will sell away my alienware 240hz TN panel.

at 280hz, the pixel smearing due to the response time compliance not being fast enough for 280hz isn't even noticeable. Also, if your framearate is around 280hz, you won't even see much crosstalk(double image) since ELMB-SYNC is stuck at overdrive 80 which is the optimal overdrive setting for 240hz. ELMB-SYNC is very useful above 200hz. There is ABSOLUTELY no motion blur when i used it on rocket league. Without ELMB-SYNC, i do see subtle motion blur(especially on boomer hits or pinches in rocket league) but with it, i can confidently hit the ball because the sharpness of fast moving objects is crystal clear. MPRT is VERY important in rocket league because if a fast moving object has excellent sharpness and motion clarity, you will sub consciously act on it as if it's 2nd nature. I don't know about FPS, i'm fairly sure the increased sh arpness due to strobing will have players more responsive and accurate when they shoot the opposing players.

input lag is very negligible. Trust me, you won't notice it. Burt what you will notice is the increased motion clarity. At insanely high framerates, input lag is virtually non-existent.