05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

[xxxtinct]

Looks like the 240hz Samsung Odyssey G7 was made available for pre order on amazon.

HDR600
QLED technology
1000R curvature
VA
95% DCI-p3
240hz
1440p

the LG nano IPS or the viewsonic nano IPS from what i'm seeing is still superior at 1440p. Better HDR and better contrast ratios doesnt' make up the LIKELY very slow response times and lower gamut and inaccurate colors(VA colors and viewing angles aren't nearly as good as IPS). I'm guessing this will be around 9-10ms repsonse times as with most VA.

if you think about that logically, a monitor needs a 4.17ms response time to keep up at 240hz, anythign slower than 4.17ms, pixel smearing will occur. .no VA even comes close to 4.17ms pixel response times unless there's enormous overshoot. Then again, the samsung g7 may prove me wrong(but i seriously doubt it). My predictions are, 9ms-10ms response times w/ fast dissipating undershoot at 240hz.

based off the infererences i'm making, a lot of people will buy these monitors unfortunately. Especially ppl who don't know how how important a wide color gamut and pixel response times are.

also, there isn't any GPU that can get 240hz @ 1440p unless you play a budget video game like CS GO, Rocket league, etc. But when it comes to AAA titles? there's basically no chance. . Maybe the 3080ti with i9-10900k but you're looking at $2000+the motherboard. the 2080ti can't even break 144hz fps on some ps4 videogames at 1440p. I borrowed my cousine's 2080ti, and i would be lucky to get 144hz fps on any ps4 video game, but 240hz? not a chance unless you clamp to a lower resolution to non native(which will look blurry)

tld;r
in my opinion, the samsung oddyssey is dead on arrival.

Will be interesting to see if they've actually made some sort of headway on that terrible VA motion blur/smear. I don't know what the actual appeal of VA is in the gaming space, like at all.

[RLCSContender*]

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^most ppl who are ignorant about how monitors work will just assume those trailing black artefacts are "part of the game" LOL.

the #1 advantage VA has over IPS and TN is that their contrast ratios are excellent. Which means VA panels are excellent for watching movies. With this oddyssey G7, it's vesa HDR 600 certified. HDR 600 in my opinion is BELOW average when it comes to overall HDR. That's equivalent to an entry level 4k HDR monitor from 10 yrs ago. HDR 1000 should be the bare minimum, then again, monitors with HDR content is still relatively new. Maybe in a few more years, the HDR 1000 is the minimum standard for gaming monitors.

Even with HDR; it adds a lot of input lag if enabled(at least on my windows 10, i saw an increase in input lag). So VA panels really aren't meant for competitive games. If say they play a SLOWER AAA game like tomb raider, then sure, HDR and VA has its situational uses.

Freesync premium pro(also known as freesync 2) however helps HDR but who in their right minds would even own an AMD graphics card considering the RTX 2000 and 3000 series are here. Nvidia has a huge market lead in GPUs, so the freesync premium pro isn't useable for majority of gamers who don't own a AMD gpu.

240hz 1440p VA with HDR600 and 1000R curvature. To most people who are ignorant about monitors, that basically checks EVERY box and i'm guessing a lot of people will purchase this.

what they don't know is this

1. you need a VERY VERY VERY powerful GPU to even remotely break 200hz on AAA videogames(not even the 2080ti can break 140hz @2k resolution on basically majority of AAA titles, imagine 240hz)
2. the pixel smearing and ghosting will be ridiculous. For most ppl ignorant about monitors, they would assume those "artefacts" is part of the game since they don't have much of a point of reference. It's extremely difficult(even with the fastest IPS or mid level TN monitors to break 4.17ms g2g without enormous overshoot)
3. the wide color gamut will look nice, but what they don't know is that it's NOT an IPS panel. The color accuracy, uniformity, viewing angles, etc etc can't match the best IPS. also, the gamut is lower than than the 98% nano IPS panels.

not gonna lie, it's JUNE 2020, and in my opinion, the LG 27gl850-b or the viewsonic elite xg270qg nano IPS panels are still the two best overall monitors. Even if the odyssey getting released, most of its features aren't even useable anyway due to the aforementioned reasons.

It's basically dead on arrival unless of course the response times are around 5ms with minimal overshoot. If that were true, then i will retract everything i will say about the samsung oddyssey g7.

I hope samsung proves me wrong. HDR600, 1000R curvature, and QLED is very appealing to me. If it can remotely break 7ms g2g response time with less than 10% undershoot, then i will eat my own words. I'm predicting a 9-10ms pixel smearfest. Then again, at 240hz, the smearing dissipates rather quickly so they are banking on a higher refresh rate for ppl not to notice those artefacts(I DO, since i own the predator xb273x at 4.4 it's STILL slower than 4.17ms but i still see trailing artefacts every now and then, imagine 9-10ms g2g response times at 240hz, it will be a pixel SMEARFEST)

[xxxtinct]

"at 240hz, the smearing dissipates rather quickly so they are banking on a higher refresh rate for ppl not to notice those artefacts"

This is exactly what I considered that might save it.. we will see. Do you plan to snag one?

[RLCSContender*]

"at 240hz, the smearing dissipates rather quickly so they are banking on a higher refresh rate for ppl not to notice those artefacts"

This is exactly what I considered that might save it.. we will see. Do you plan to snag one?

already have it pre ordered in full

I got the 27" version since PPI is too low on the 32" version at 1440p.

I'm going to get my hands on it before the paid reviewers scam artists give false G2G averages because they have their affiliate marketing to fulfill.

Samsung is claming 1ms g2g response times. But for VA standards without enormous overshoot, it's probably closer to 10ms response times.

if i'm proven wrong, i'm definitely going to keep it. But based off my inferences about VA panels, it's basically dead on arrival.

[ItwasLuck]

I have the AW2521hf and i send it back... the motion blur is soo bad, i dunno if the unit is bad or all the monitors are the same... but the ips cannot do real 240 hz on motion... please who has the acer xb3 to test if the monitor can keep 240 on the ufo motion test whith the pictures. The motion blur and the double image that the ips makes, is much worse than the tn i have at 144... so ips is still a generarion or a few years away from real 240 hz feeling. I dunno if there is somedoby here.that can see the differences and has a clue of how a 240 hz monitor should behave, but please if you have a tn240 and a ips 240, you will see a big difference in motion clarity from the tn and ips on my unit cannot keep 240 hz in motion... when i do a custom hz like 230 or lower, it can do smoother images... so please test for yourself.

I've thoroughly tested my Acer Predator XB253Q GX. It has no double imaging at any refresh rate does 240Hz perfectly well. Slight trailing considering the MPRT isn't the absolute fastest, that title goes to the MSI MAG251RX. But it does 240Hz really well and I am quite happy with the results.

[ItwasLuck]

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^most ppl who are ignorant about how monitors work will just assume those trailing black artefacts are "part of the game" LOL.

the #1 advantage VA has over IPS and TN is that their contrast ratios are excellent. Which means VA panels are excellent for watching movies. With this oddyssey G7, it's vesa HDR 600 certified. HDR 600 in my opinion is BELOW average when it comes to overall HDR. That's equivalent to an entry level 4k HDR monitor from 10 yrs ago. HDR 1000 should be the bare minimum, then again, monitors with HDR content is still relatively new. Maybe in a few more years, the HDR 1000 is the minimum standard for gaming monitors.

Even with HDR; it adds a lot of input lag if enabled(at least on my windows 10, i saw an increase in input lag). So VA panels really aren't meant for competitive games. If say they play a SLOWER AAA game like tomb raider, then sure, HDR and VA has its situational uses.

Freesync premium pro(also known as freesync 2) however helps HDR but who in their right minds would even own an AMD graphics card considering the RTX 2000 and 3000 series are here. Nvidia has a huge market lead in GPUs, so the freesync premium pro isn't useable for majority of gamers who don't own a AMD gpu.

240hz 1440p VA with HDR600 and 1000R curvature. To most people who are ignorant about monitors, that basically checks EVERY box and i'm guessing a lot of people will purchase this.

what they don't know is this

1. you need a VERY VERY VERY powerful GPU to even remotely break 200hz on AAA videogames(not even the 2080ti can break 140hz @2k resolution on basically majority of AAA titles, imagine 240hz)
2. the pixel smearing and ghosting will be ridiculous. For most ppl ignorant about monitors, they would assume those "artefacts" is part of the game since they don't have much of a point of reference. It's extremely difficult(even with the fastest IPS or mid level TN monitors to break 4.17ms g2g without enormous overshoot)
3. the wide color gamut will look nice, but what they don't know is that it's NOT an IPS panel. The color accuracy, uniformity, viewing angles, etc etc can't match the best IPS. also, the gamut is lower than than the 98% nano IPS panels.

not gonna lie, it's JUNE 2020, and in my opinion, the LG 27gl850-b or the viewsonic elite xg270qg nano IPS panels are still the two best overall monitors. Even if the odyssey getting released, most of its features aren't even useable anyway due to the aforementioned reasons.

It's basically dead on arrival unless of course the response times are around 5ms with minimal overshoot. If that were true, then i will retract everything i will say about the samsung oddyssey g7.

I hope samsung proves me wrong. HDR600, 1000R curvature, and QLED is very appealing to me. If it can remotely break 7ms g2g response time with less than 10% undershoot, then i will eat my own words. I'm predicting a 9-10ms pixel smearfest. Then again, at 240hz, the smearing dissipates rather quickly so they are banking on a higher refresh rate for ppl not to notice those artefacts(I DO, since i own the predator xb273x at 4.4 it's STILL slower than 4.17ms but i still see trailing artefacts every now and then, imagine 9-10ms g2g response times at 240hz, it will be a pixel SMEARFEST)

I'm sorry but having had a lot of experience with VA panels. I highly doubt the Odyssey will suit competitive gamers. The input lag will be high and smearing is definitely a thing. Not to mention gamma shifting annoys me quite a bit. But do keep us updated.

How do you like your XB273Q? I absolutely love my XB253Q GX. Only wish I had more strobing options.

I still think the Acer panels are best for gaming considering their input lag. The Viewsonic VG270 was very tempting but the 700:1 contrast ratio was a huge turn off as did the buggy PureXP implementation.

Why would I want an IPS monitor that does worse than the best TN panels available?

[RLCSContender*]

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^most ppl who are ignorant about how monitors work will just assume those trailing black artefacts are "part of the game" LOL.

the #1 advantage VA has over IPS and TN is that their contrast ratios are excellent. Which means VA panels are excellent for watching movies. With this oddyssey G7, it's vesa HDR 600 certified. HDR 600 in my opinion is BELOW average when it comes to overall HDR. That's equivalent to an entry level 4k HDR monitor from 10 yrs ago. HDR 1000 should be the bare minimum, then again, monitors with HDR content is still relatively new. Maybe in a few more years, the HDR 1000 is the minimum standard for gaming monitors.

Even with HDR; it adds a lot of input lag if enabled(at least on my windows 10, i saw an increase in input lag). So VA panels really aren't meant for competitive games. If say they play a SLOWER AAA game like tomb raider, then sure, HDR and VA has its situational uses.

Freesync premium pro(also known as freesync 2) however helps HDR but who in their right minds would even own an AMD graphics card considering the RTX 2000 and 3000 series are here. Nvidia has a huge market lead in GPUs, so the freesync premium pro isn't useable for majority of gamers who don't own a AMD gpu.

240hz 1440p VA with HDR600 and 1000R curvature. To most people who are ignorant about monitors, that basically checks EVERY box and i'm guessing a lot of people will purchase this.

what they don't know is this

1. you need a VERY VERY VERY powerful GPU to even remotely break 200hz on AAA videogames(not even the 2080ti can break 140hz @2k resolution on basically majority of AAA titles, imagine 240hz)
2. the pixel smearing and ghosting will be ridiculous. For most ppl ignorant about monitors, they would assume those "artefacts" is part of the game since they don't have much of a point of reference. It's extremely difficult(even with the fastest IPS or mid level TN monitors to break 4.17ms g2g without enormous overshoot)
3. the wide color gamut will look nice, but what they don't know is that it's NOT an IPS panel. The color accuracy, uniformity, viewing angles, etc etc can't match the best IPS. also, the gamut is lower than than the 98% nano IPS panels.

not gonna lie, it's JUNE 2020, and in my opinion, the LG 27gl850-b or the viewsonic elite xg270qg nano IPS panels are still the two best overall monitors. Even if the odyssey getting released, most of its features aren't even useable anyway due to the aforementioned reasons.

It's basically dead on arrival unless of course the response times are around 5ms with minimal overshoot. If that were true, then i will retract everything i will say about the samsung oddyssey g7.

I hope samsung proves me wrong. HDR600, 1000R curvature, and QLED is very appealing to me. If it can remotely break 7ms g2g response time with less than 10% undershoot, then i will eat my own words. I'm predicting a 9-10ms pixel smearfest. Then again, at 240hz, the smearing dissipates rather quickly so they are banking on a higher refresh rate for ppl not to notice those artefacts(I DO, since i own the predator xb273x at 4.4 it's STILL slower than 4.17ms but i still see trailing artefacts every now and then, imagine 9-10ms g2g response times at 240hz, it will be a pixel SMEARFEST)

I'm sorry but having had a lot of experience with VA panels. I highly doubt the Odyssey will suit competitive gamers. The input lag will be high and smearing is definitely a thing. Not to mention gamma shifting annoys me quite a bit. But do keep us updated.

How do you like your XB273Q? I absolutely love my XB253Q GX. Only wish I had more strobing options.

I still think the Acer panels are best for gaming considering their input lag. The Viewsonic VG270 was very tempting but the 700:1 contrast ratio was a huge turn off as did the buggy PureXP implementation.

Why would I want an IPS monitor that does worse than the best TN panels available?

I call them "acer clones" bcuz its basically the same Ahva AUO panel. Ive went against TN users with my predator xb273x and the only difference maker is skill and not monitor difference. So yes, its def. Viable against TN.(80-90% of GC in rocket league use TN).

Unfortinately, against the fastest TN like the omen x25fs or the benqs or the xv272 nitros gave me fits because the differences in g2g averages will help them. Especially when moving the camera. And yes, the fastest TN input lag is just as good as the acer nitro/predator ips 240hz panelsm

In my opinion the 240hz msi, 280hz asus, and 240hz 25" Alienware) are the only 3 IPS panels that can stand toe to toe with the fastest TN. Asus at 280hz is the best candidate since that extra +40hz frame advantage is faster than any TN which i found myself reacting faster than they are.

Whenever i use my 1440p 144hz-165hz nano ips monitor against TN, i get smoked big time not bcuz of less motion clarity but the input lag difference from 2ms to about 5-6ms was huge. To most ppl, 5ms input lag is imperceptible, but in a dexterity heavy game,, its very noticeable at least for me.

[ItwasLuck]

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^most ppl who are ignorant about how monitors work will just assume those trailing black artefacts are "part of the game" LOL.

the #1 advantage VA has over IPS and TN is that their contrast ratios are excellent. Which means VA panels are excellent for watching movies. With this oddyssey G7, it's vesa HDR 600 certified. HDR 600 in my opinion is BELOW average when it comes to overall HDR. That's equivalent to an entry level 4k HDR monitor from 10 yrs ago. HDR 1000 should be the bare minimum, then again, monitors with HDR content is still relatively new. Maybe in a few more years, the HDR 1000 is the minimum standard for gaming monitors.

Even with HDR; it adds a lot of input lag if enabled(at least on my windows 10, i saw an increase in input lag). So VA panels really aren't meant for competitive games. If say they play a SLOWER AAA game like tomb raider, then sure, HDR and VA has its situational uses.

Freesync premium pro(also known as freesync 2) however helps HDR but who in their right minds would even own an AMD graphics card considering the RTX 2000 and 3000 series are here. Nvidia has a huge market lead in GPUs, so the freesync premium pro isn't useable for majority of gamers who don't own a AMD gpu.

240hz 1440p VA with HDR600 and 1000R curvature. To most people who are ignorant about monitors, that basically checks EVERY box and i'm guessing a lot of people will purchase this.

what they don't know is this

1. you need a VERY VERY VERY powerful GPU to even remotely break 200hz on AAA videogames(not even the 2080ti can break 140hz @2k resolution on basically majority of AAA titles, imagine 240hz)
2. the pixel smearing and ghosting will be ridiculous. For most ppl ignorant about monitors, they would assume those "artefacts" is part of the game since they don't have much of a point of reference. It's extremely difficult(even with the fastest IPS or mid level TN monitors to break 4.17ms g2g without enormous overshoot)
3. the wide color gamut will look nice, but what they don't know is that it's NOT an IPS panel. The color accuracy, uniformity, viewing angles, etc etc can't match the best IPS. also, the gamut is lower than than the 98% nano IPS panels.

not gonna lie, it's JUNE 2020, and in my opinion, the LG 27gl850-b or the viewsonic elite xg270qg nano IPS panels are still the two best overall monitors. Even if the odyssey getting released, most of its features aren't even useable anyway due to the aforementioned reasons.

It's basically dead on arrival unless of course the response times are around 5ms with minimal overshoot. If that were true, then i will retract everything i will say about the samsung oddyssey g7.

I hope samsung proves me wrong. HDR600, 1000R curvature, and QLED is very appealing to me. If it can remotely break 7ms g2g response time with less than 10% undershoot, then i will eat my own words. I'm predicting a 9-10ms pixel smearfest. Then again, at 240hz, the smearing dissipates rather quickly so they are banking on a higher refresh rate for ppl not to notice those artefacts(I DO, since i own the predator xb273x at 4.4 it's STILL slower than 4.17ms but i still see trailing artefacts every now and then, imagine 9-10ms g2g response times at 240hz, it will be a pixel SMEARFEST)

I'm sorry but having had a lot of experience with VA panels. I highly doubt the Odyssey will suit competitive gamers. The input lag will be high and smearing is definitely a thing. Not to mention gamma shifting annoys me quite a bit. But do keep us updated.

How do you like your XB273Q? I absolutely love my XB253Q GX. Only wish I had more strobing options.

I still think the Acer panels are best for gaming considering their input lag. The Viewsonic VG270 was very tempting but the 700:1 contrast ratio was a huge turn off as did the buggy PureXP implementation.

Why would I want an IPS monitor that does worse than the best TN panels available?

I call them "acer clones" bcuz its basically the same Ahva AUO panel. Ive went against TN users with my predator xb273x and the only difference maker is skill and not monitor difference. So yes, its def. Viable against TN.(80-90% of GC in rocket league use TN).

Unfortinately, against the fastest TN like the omen x25fs or the benqs or the xv272 nitros gave me fits because the differences in g2g averages will help them. Especially when moving the camera. And yes, the fastest TN input lag is just as good as the acer nitro/predator ips 240hz panelsm

In my opinion the 240hz msi, 280hz asus, and 240hz 25" Alienware) are the only 3 IPS panels that can stand toe to toe with the fastest TN. Asus at 280hz is the best candidate since that extra +40hz frame advantage is faster than any TN which i found myself reacting faster than they are.

Whenever i use my 1440p 144hz-165hz nano ips monitor against TN, i get smoked big time not bcuz of less motion clarity but the input lag difference from 2ms to about 5-6ms was huge. To most ppl, 5ms input lag is imperceptible, but in a dexterity heavy game,, its very noticeable at least for me.

I just don't understand how you're willing to sacrifice almost 2-3ms of input lag for a gain of maybe 1ms g2g average by going from the Acer to the ASUS.

[RLCSContender*]

asus HAS 280hz and it's not 2-3ms, it's only a 0.4-0.6 ms advantage for the Acer clones. The acer clones doesn't have (if anything) processing delay) which is a good trait for XB3 monitors.

-1ms response time isn't the selling piont of the asus, it's the MPRT and +40hz frame advantage you get from elmb-sync or overclocking it to 280hz instead of 240hz.

predator/nitro are good monitors nonthteless, but in my opinion not as good as the big 3 that i mentioned (MSI, Alienware, Asus).

Acer predator xb253q Gx (normal OD at 240hz) and ASus TUF VG259qm (60 OD @240hz)



MSI MAG251rx (fastest OD at 240hz)

[ItwasLuck]

asus HAS 280hz and it's not 2-3ms, it's only a 0.4-0.6 ms advantage for the Acer clones. The acer clones doesn't have (if anything) processing delay) which is a good trait for XB3 monitors.

-1ms response time isn't the selling piont of the asus, it's the MPRT and +40hz frame advantage you get from elmb-sync or overclocking it to 280hz instead of 240hz.

predator/nitro are good monitors nonthteless, but in my opinion not as good as the big 3 that i mentioned (MSI, Alienware, Asus).

Acer predator xb253q Gx (normal OD at 240hz) and ASus TUF VG259qm (60 OD @240hz)



MSI MAG251rx (fastest OD at 240hz)

You do realize that ELMB Sync is completely useless because it uses the Devils horn strobe implementation right? It legit only works for refresh rates over 200Hz.

280HZ is a nice feature but completely useless for AAA titles. The MPRT of the Acer and ASUS are pretty much identical IMO. The MSI does show a clear advantage however.

Once you realize that, the ASUS only advantage over the Acer is that strobing is available at more refresh rates. But as you very well know, that shouldn't detract it from being in the top 3 for gaming. No processing delay is huge.

Personally, I am quite sensitive to input lag so believe me that 0.4-0.6ms is very noticeable.

At a Lan event, the difference in input lag will be much more noticeable than a slightly better MPRT time imo the difference isn't enough to be bothersome especially when strobing.