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Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 08 Jul 2022, 02:36
by Boomchakadah
The 12700k does perform better in those games. I have a 5600X and i'll personally never buy another AMD CPU again unless they get rid of the infinity fabric. Ryzen CPUs perform terribly in latency sensitive games that don't fit in the cache because of the infinity fabric latency. That's also why I have absolutely zero interest in Zen 4 CPUs.
Here's an example of Ryzen's Infinity fabric latency being a problem. 9900KS vs 5900X both running tuned dual-rank b-die RAM in Battlefield 4.
Look at the framerate when the helicopter is looking in the direction of those two buildings in the center of the map.
9900KS: the fps rarely drops below 300. youtu.be/9xczh9Z3mWY Here's another video with the fps locked to 360 youtu.be/ZSlcQWDNBZE
5900X: Big yikes youtu.be/eYSkbi9EJ4M.
Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 08 Jul 2022, 15:24
by Anonymous768119
Boomchakadah wrote: ↑08 Jul 2022, 02:36
The 12700k does perform better in those games. I have a 5600X and i'll personally never buy another AMD CPU again unless they get rid of the infinity fabric. Ryzen CPUs perform terribly in latency sensitive games that don't fit in the cache because of the infinity fabric latency. That's also why I have absolutely zero interest in Zen 4 CPUs.
Here's an example of Ryzen's Infinity fabric latency being a problem. 9900KS vs 5900X both running tuned dual-rank b-die RAM in Battlefield 4.
Look at the framerate when the helicopter is looking in the direction of those two buildings in the center of the map.
9900KS: the fps rarely drops below 300. youtu.be/9xczh9Z3mWY Here's another video with the fps locked to 360 youtu.be/ZSlcQWDNBZE
5900X: Big yikes youtu.be/eYSkbi9EJ4M.
Tell to s1mple that he should use Intel CPU.
Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 08 Jul 2022, 18:03
by DPRTMELR
Tell to s1mple that he should use Intel CPU.
During the brief time he was with TL, he has given stellar performances while adapting to the sponsored gears that he's not used to (razer iirc). He's so god damn good that he's above it all.
And right now AMD is the one sponsoring him not intel and not us. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
tuned dual-rank b-die RAM in
this terminology has issues too. some people say 3200 c14 is the optimized bdie standard(this is not correct obviously), some say 3600 3733 4000 etc.
Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 08 Jul 2022, 21:26
by Slender
Boomchakadah wrote: ↑08 Jul 2022, 02:36
The 12700k does perform better in those games. I have a 5600X and i'll personally never buy another AMD CPU again unless they get rid of the infinity fabric. Ryzen CPUs perform terribly in latency sensitive games that don't fit in the cache because of the infinity fabric latency. That's also why I have absolutely zero interest in Zen 4 CPUs.
Here's an example of Ryzen's Infinity fabric latency being a problem. 9900KS vs 5900X both running tuned dual-rank b-die RAM in Battlefield 4.
Look at the framerate when the helicopter is looking in the direction of those two buildings in the center of the map.
9900KS: the fps rarely drops below 300. youtu.be/9xczh9Z3mWY Here's another video with the fps locked to 360 youtu.be/ZSlcQWDNBZE
5900X: Big yikes youtu.be/eYSkbi9EJ4M.
stop misleading people.
Do you have 12700k to say it's better?
all these tests were carried out on the default bios settings with pbo. FPS does not drop at fixed values.
I currently have a 12700k and a z690.
There is nothing worse than this.
Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 00:29
by Boomchakadah
Slender wrote: ↑08 Jul 2022, 21:26
Boomchakadah wrote: ↑08 Jul 2022, 02:36
The 12700k does perform better in those games. I have a 5600X and i'll personally never buy another AMD CPU again unless they get rid of the infinity fabric. Ryzen CPUs perform terribly in latency sensitive games that don't fit in the cache because of the infinity fabric latency. That's also why I have absolutely zero interest in Zen 4 CPUs.
Here's an example of Ryzen's Infinity fabric latency being a problem. 9900KS vs 5900X both running tuned dual-rank b-die RAM in Battlefield 4.
Look at the framerate when the helicopter is looking in the direction of those two buildings in the center of the map.
9900KS: the fps rarely drops below 300. youtu.be/9xczh9Z3mWY Here's another video with the fps locked to 360 youtu.be/ZSlcQWDNBZE
5900X: Big yikes youtu.be/eYSkbi9EJ4M.
stop misleading people.
Do you have 12700k to say it's better?
all these tests were carried out on the default bios settings with pbo. FPS does not drop at fixed values.
I currently have a 12700k and a z690.
There is nothing worse than this.
What exactly is misleading in what I wrote? That 5900x footage was taken from a competitive battlefield player's stream (his name is Silk). I know for a fact that his 5900x is properly tuned, and he gets better fps than other Battlefield streamers like ProLosco that use the same CPU.
Here's a stock and GPU bottlenecked 12700k performing better than a fully tuned 5900x.
https://youtu.be/xyC30o38zFg
Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 00:31
by Slender
Boomchakadah wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 00:29
Slender wrote: ↑08 Jul 2022, 21:26
Boomchakadah wrote: ↑08 Jul 2022, 02:36
The 12700k does perform better in those games. I have a 5600X and i'll personally never buy another AMD CPU again unless they get rid of the infinity fabric. Ryzen CPUs perform terribly in latency sensitive games that don't fit in the cache because of the infinity fabric latency. That's also why I have absolutely zero interest in Zen 4 CPUs.
Here's an example of Ryzen's Infinity fabric latency being a problem. 9900KS vs 5900X both running tuned dual-rank b-die RAM in Battlefield 4.
Look at the framerate when the helicopter is looking in the direction of those two buildings in the center of the map.
9900KS: the fps rarely drops below 300. youtu.be/9xczh9Z3mWY Here's another video with the fps locked to 360 youtu.be/ZSlcQWDNBZE
5900X: Big yikes youtu.be/eYSkbi9EJ4M.
stop misleading people.
Do you have 12700k to say it's better?
all these tests were carried out on the default bios settings with pbo. FPS does not drop at fixed values.
I currently have a 12700k and a z690.
There is nothing worse than this.
What exactly is misleading in what I wrote? That 5900x footage was taken from a competitive battlefield player's stream (his name is Silk). I know for a fact that his 5900x is properly tuned, and he gets better fps than other Battlefield streamers like ProLosco that use the same CPU.
Here's a stock and GPU bottlenecked 12700k performing better than a fully tuned 5900x.
https://youtu.be/xyC30o38zFg
send me his bios settings.
i have 12700k, yes, fps good.
but input is worse
Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 02:37
by Boomchakadah
Slender wrote: ↑26 Jun 2022, 12:47
i switch 9700k to 12700k, my mice feel very bad, very high lag, inconsistent.
Which motherboard and RAM kit do you have?
Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 02:53
by Slender
Boomchakadah wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 02:37
Slender wrote: ↑26 Jun 2022, 12:47
i switch 9700k to 12700k, my mice feel very bad, very high lag, inconsistent.
Which motherboard and RAM kit do you have?
asus z690-p d4 + samsung b-die 2x8 cl14 3200
Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 07:12
by ptuga
Slender wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 02:53
Boomchakadah wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 02:37
Slender wrote: ↑26 Jun 2022, 12:47
i switch 9700k to 12700k, my mice feel very bad, very high lag, inconsistent.
Which motherboard and RAM kit do you have?
asus z690-p d4 + samsung b-die 2x8 cl14 3200
The problem is probably your motherboard/skill at tuning ram. I have 2 b.die kits. 2x8gb 3600c16 and 2x16gb 3200c14. Both feel good, run same timings/freq. 2x8gb kit can run 1T G1 at max frequency imc can handle and requires a little less voltag, but that's it.
My end config for both kits is 3900c15 with the exact same sub timings. Mouse feels exactly the same.
Re: 5800x vs 12700K competitive fps player
Posted: 09 Jul 2022, 07:16
by Slender
ptuga wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 07:12
Slender wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 02:53
Boomchakadah wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 02:37
Slender wrote: ↑26 Jun 2022, 12:47
i switch 9700k to 12700k, my mice feel very bad, very high lag, inconsistent.
Which motherboard and RAM kit do you have?
asus z690-p d4 + samsung b-die 2x8 cl14 3200
The problem is probably your motherboard/skill at tuning ram. I have 2 b.die kits. 2x8gb 3600c16 and 2x16gb 3200c14. Both feel good, run same timings/freq. 2x8gb kit can run 1T G1 at max frequency imc can handle and requires a little less voltag, but that's it.
My end config for both kits is 3900c15 with the exact same sub timings. Mouse feels exactly the same.
no problem on same settings on z390.
ok, just buy 12700k, better then amd and others, just buy.