Vocaleyes wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 10:54
internetexplorer4 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 10:12
Vocaleyes wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 09:21
internetexplorer4 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 08:52
sorry I'm kinda confused, it really seems that you didn't read what I wrote, maybe the reply is not showing for you idk so I'm going to copy and paste here just in case
it is not tablet like ipad, it is basically like a mouse but with absolute positioning, people use drawing tablets to play osu mostly because of mouse drift, so it is basically an usb device that you connect to your pc and use like a mouse, you can search on youtube for osu liveplays that you can see a lot of people using tablet to aim instead of a mouse, if you want to see exactly how it works inside the game you can search for osu chroma key liveplay
when I refer to floaty mouse is not about the feeling but the symptom itself, which can be seen through my gameplays and just by me moving the cursor, I have to use 200dpi not because of the feeling but because 400 dpi is actually too bad for me to use, when I talk about floaty mouse I'm referring to the lack of precision, the "mouse accel", "mouse not being 1:1", "mouse on ice" etc, and I believe your problem is the same, right? floaty mouse is one of the main symptoms that most people with this issue have, which is different from raw input lag and desync, but they are usually together
and when I try the tablet it is exactly like my mouse, the floaty symptom and the input lag are also there, even tho the tablet has no drift at all
just to clarify, the problem I have is nothing about the feeling but instead, the actual performance, my aiming is worse than a person who barely uses pc, how many people do you know that can't use 400dpi because is so hard to aim? the game I mainly played for the last 10 years, any person who play that game for like 3 or 4 months can play 10x better than me easily, I'm so bad to a point that it is impossible for someone to replicate how bad I play, and I'm not exaggerating, I'm one of the worst if not the worst player of the game considering the amount of hours I have and how bad I play, you can even find data about that, and like I said, it is not something exclusive to the game, it is basically anything that requires aiming, if I do that test the other guy did on mspain for example, my drawings are like 100x worse compared to his,
https://aiming.pro/quick-play this aim trainer for example (the hexakill one), my average score is around 80-85, this is beyond being just bad, this is actually a terrible performance, anyone who barely play games can get a much better score than me, even tho I've been playing aim based games since kid, so you can't get those results just because of the feeling, you have to actually play really bad
Ok, so when you said the issue is still on tablet, you meant using a 'tablet like device' connected to a PC instead of a regular mouse, or am I still interpreting you incorrectly?
"I've already tried using a drawing tablet to play osu for many months and it doesn't change anything, problem is still there in the same amount, tablets have absolute positioning so it has 0 drift, meaning that the mouse drift thing has nothing to do with the actual floaty behavior"
Perhaps it would be helpful if you linked the device you're talking about if not.
So the similar input latency/ floaty is more likely to be related given both tests are conducted on a PC as we have finally established.
This still doesn't rule out the by product of the mouse issue being drift, whereas the absolute positioning device is incapable of accumulating coordinates due to the nature of which it is designed & handled.
While you may be experiencing
only the latency as another by-product of the issue, doesn't mean that using the drift as an initial starting point to rule out is a bad idea.
If OP manages to test on both a faulty and non-faulty machine, will conclusively decide should the results be substantial enough, but given the difference in the stars they drew should show a difference.
Regardless, now I understand that the latency you are experiencing on your computer is same as the latency when using a mouse, minus the drift due to the design of absolute positioning, doesn't rule out build hardware or handling of certain elements e.g. USB ports with 'correct' handling due to CPU or separate USB driver to chipset.
After ruling out whether mouse drift is connected at all to this issue, we can go from there as I previously mentioned.
So yes, we both experience input latency on our rigs. We still don't know whether they are related as like I said before, there are several things which can cause that feeling.. from something as large as incorrectly configured RAM from something as smalls as using the wrong USB port.
yeah but the main point is not the latency, I'm talking about the floaty behavior, you saw that I have to use 200dpi right? latency/raw input lag can't be the reason of that, I have to use 200dpi because my mouse has no precision, if you could take a look at the 2 videos I linked in that reply, I think you would understand better what I'm saying, my cursor looks like I'm using 3k dpi but I'm using 200dpi
you have the same problem right? you probably can't aim because your aim isn't precise enough, input lag is one thing, floaty mouse is another thing, the tablet has the same lack of precision as the mouse
and like I said, this is the most important thing of my point, I use >>>200 dpi<<< and my >>precision<< is **worse** than someone using 3k dpi, so this is literally impossible unless I have some illness/mental problem, I'm literally one of the worse if not the worse player on the game I play, not only my gameplay but literally any task I have to do with a mouse is below average, so I'm not dealing with a small aspect that could be hardware or software related, this is not like "oh I move my mouse on the desktop and I can feel that my mouse is not 100%" no, it is literally me playing like a completely ret@rded, this is huge thing and it is a huge difference from anything related to config, os, chipsets or whatever
not to mention that I already tried more than 20 pcs like I said, with different mouses, diferent keyboards, different monitors, even the tablet I mentioned was not the only one I tried, and besides the laptops which are less affected by the issue but not even close to fix, the other pcs I tried so far had the same exact thing
watch these 2 videos and pay attention to my cursor movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC7JyH9Ks4M this is 2016, I already had the problem there but it was a lot lower
https://ordr.issou.best/watch/Uq1fhk and this is 2024 where the problem is a lot worse
it might look that I'm exaggerating but I'm not, the second gameplay is beyong being just bad, it is just unhuman, if you play this game for like 3 or 4 weeks with 3k dpi, your aim would be way sharper than mine, and I'm not even joking, this is literally insane, people don't understand when I say this but I play this game for 10 years and I'm saying that no one in the entire game is bad like I am, so this is the whole point of the thing, when I use tablet, my aim is identical to that, and if you give someone a broken tablet with a toaster pc with huge input lag, stutter and etc, their aim would still be 100x better than mine, does that makes sense for you now? this is what I'm trying to say to you, you can't find anyone that bad like me, you won't find anyone who uses 200dpi and get that bad score on aimtrainers, if what I have was something related to hardware, software, os, chipsets, drivers etc, it would have thousands of people playing like that, but what I do is literally impossible for someone to replicate even if they play with lag, wrong drivers, broken mouse etc
“I have to use 200dpi because my mouse has no precision, if you could take a look at the 2 videos I linked in that reply, I think you would understand better what I'm saying, my cursor looks like I'm using 3k dpi but I'm using 200dpi” so I assume you use windows mouse speed at 6/11, try 3 firstly.
What dpi you prefer to use is of little use unfortunately, everyone is different as are once again other variables, like usb port, nvcp settings, windows settings etc. also when I have a working PC without this issue years ago, I didn’t like 6/11 then either, so when I see people saying it’s the best setting, I can’t relate to that at all.
“input lag is one thing, floaty mouse is another thing” possibly, but also can very well be one and the same.
A mouse can feel floaty when the input is delayed by perceivable milliseconds, on the other hand when the delay value is greater e.g. closer to a second or so delay, that can be also called either input delay or floaty mouse.. if anything, more so.
“not to mention that I already tried more than 20 pcs like I said, with different mouses, diferent keyboards, different monitors” quite a lot of people have tried a lot of various things, the reason we all have is because finding a modern rig without these issues is proving to be quite rare, and one wouldn’t continue searching once the solution was found.
Which is why the OP is in a seemly advantageous position for figuring out the causal factor(s).
After watching the videos you provided, it’s hard to give feedback without simultaneously seeing your hand to compare the movement in game to the physical movement as a comparison. Maybe try to capture both in the same capture and then see if you can slow-mo the playback to see if the on screen movement is in fact, delayed.
I started gaming around 2010 on a laptop, Lenovo.. I used to use the touchpad to play an MMO game with
zero issue at an extremely high level, the game was DCUO. then I got in to FPS and got a PC instead with a mouse. Once again,
zero issue immediately developed muscle memory on both touchpad and mouse, it was NOT a gradual improvement. (Game mechanics/ map knowledge on the other were are an entirely different story and learning curve).
The game I started with on PC was COD ghosts. I was max prestige with a 4+ kd.
So how we got from having a majority of correctly functioning and responsive devices with MINIMAL mouse drift if any to where we are now, where a majority of systems do not function as they used to and more importantly, should… is what we are all trying to figure out.
And it’s like you’ve said yourself, you’ve ruled out mouse, keyboard, monitors and 20 pcs being a factor, as have we all for years now. would you care to be more informative with exactly what hardware those pcs were using, that could be helpful with process of elimination. And as you’ve tried 20, should be very enlightening. Start with all the mobos those pcs contained.
And after everything you say you’ve tried, what do you currently think is the causal factor?
ok so, first we need to understand the most important thing that is: my gameplay when it comes to both mouse movement and keyboard delay is not just bad or really bad, it is completely abnormal and impossible for someone to reproduce <- this is the most important thing
I can prove and explain this with all the details but I would need to explain lot of things about the game I play, showing data, lot of screenshots, videos etc (I explained why I don't do this here in this comment
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=13066&p=106313#p106313)
once you know that my gameplay is completely abnormal, way beyond being just bad or being laggy, there are 2 options, you can either consider that I'm just a ret@rd that can't even move a mouse properly but can do any other task outside the pc without any problem, like drawing, sports etc
or you can consider that I have the same problem with interference that people here also have
if you think my gameplay is good or average, there is literally no point discussing this, because what I'm gonna say here just makes sense because my gameplay is completely abnormal, way more than people with this same problem, like I said, I >>have<< to use 200 dpi, it is not my preference, if I use 400 dpi or above I literally can't click on the desktop icons, I had to lower my dpi over the years due to this problem
so ok, if you are considering that I have the issue and I'm not ret@rded, so it is not a skill issue but a "interference" or whatever you want to call it, and you know that my gameplay is completely abnormal and people can't reproduce it even if they try it, it becomes pretty simple
because I tested with 2 guys at a gaming cafe, we played on the same pc, they could play 10x better than me without any problem and they were average players, while I had the same gameplay that I had on every other pc I tried, which is extremely below average gameplay, and >impossible for someone to reproduce<
so if it is not skill issue and they could play normally without any problem at the same place, on the same pc, with the same mouse, same keyboard, monitor, configs etc, getting scores 10x better than me while being average players, if we are considering that I play that bad because of interference and not because skill issue, it becomes pretty clear where the problem is comming from, don't you agree?
if you are still considering that it could be hardware/software related in my case, even tho that 2 different people were playing on the exact same setup I was playing (like I said, same pc, same mouse, same keyboard, same monitor, same game, same config etc) could you explain how that could be possible?
with this test, there are only 2 options left for you to consider, either the problem doesn't exist and I just play really bad, being the worst player in the world or I cause interference when I touch the mouse and the keyboard, if you think something different I would like to understand the reason
