Jbinn wrote:I shouldn't need VSYNC or frame limiters to enjoy my games
If you're going to disable the thing which syncs frames to your display's refresh rate, don't complain when things are out of sync and juddering.
Jbinn wrote:It doesn't matter if I use VSYNC because even when I get 200fps in a game VSYNC dips below 60fps for no reason and causes stutter.
It doesn't happen for no reason.
Your video shows that you have the graphics settings up higher than your system can handle, if the goal is to have smooth gameplay.
Jbinn wrote:Also frame rate caps helps but when I use them the stutter is still there the only way frame rate caps work is if I run it in windowed mode and again it drops below 60fps for no reason just like VSYNC and causes a stutter every now and then (even in games where I get huge fps.)
I only suggested a framerate cap because
sometimes I find that frame pacing and/or latency is improved with a cap somewhere between your refresh rate and 2x the refresh rate.
E.g. a 65 FPS cap on a 60Hz display. With some games where your performance might be in excess of 120 FPS uncapped, they run better with a framerate cap in place - even though V-Sync
should be taking care of that.
I don't think you need to be dealing with framerate caps because your issue is clearly that your framerate is dropping too low.
The reason I mentioned it is because it's another thing people suggested you try, which wasn't being used in the video you posted.
Jbinn wrote:I did everything you asked I made the video less compressed, I made it 1080p/60fps, I used OSD and put all the info on there you asked for...
You did
some of what was suggested, so the new video does give us an idea of why you're seeing stuttering.
Though you got the overlay working in your video, you seem to have ignored all the advice given on how to reduce or eliminate stutter, while coming back here to complain that it stutters.
There's no mystery here, other than the fact that you think that things should magically work differently from how they do.
You're like the people in
that massive topic on the GeForce forums who are pairing up 900-series GPUs with an inadequate CPU and blaming NVIDIA when the GPU cannot be fully utilized.
Jbinn wrote:I've physicaly compared my PC next to someone elses, I've watched videos and compared them with the SAME settings and my games are NOT smooth this is NOT normal from what I've seen.
You've compared against a PC with a GPU approximately 50% faster than yours, on a 144Hz display. It's no surprise that it ran smoother.
You seem to be more focused on making comparisons, finding videos to post, and complaining, than working to actually solve the problem.
Jbinn wrote:IT also doesn't explain why my fps drops below 60fps with VSYNC on even when I'm way beyond 60fps with it off. It also doesn't explain how when I cap my FPS @ 60 I get the same stuttering I do when its not capped just with less tearing.
Your video showed it dropping below 60 FPS with V-Sync off and GPU load at 100%.
You have the graphics settings turned up higher than your GPU can handle for smooth gameplay.
GPU usage should never be hitting 100% if you're wanting smooth gameplay on a fixed refresh rate monitor.
Jbinn wrote:I guess I'm beating a dead horse but I'm not buying into this being a normal thing
You don't have to "buy into it".
It's a fact that anything other than 60 FPS will judder on a 60Hz fixed refresh-rate display. There's no debating it.
The only thing that may differ is people's subjective impression of how that is running. If you never game with V-Sync on, or you always use triple-buffering or run in windowed mode, or you're used to console gaming, maybe you won't notice that judder because that's just what you're used to.
But it's there, and the only fix is to either have a framerate which is 60 FPS with good frame pacing 100% of the time, or to have a variable Refresh Rate Display.
The latter is a far better solution to the problem, the only issue is that it's an additional expense for most of us right now.
In my case, the main issue is not the expense, but the fact that none of the displays I want (OLED) currently support the feature.
Jbinn wrote:AT this point:
VSYNC is not an option
Then your only option is a FreeSync monitor.
Or dumping AMD and getting a G-Sync monitor.
Jbinn wrote:How come I can go on my XBOX 360 and enjoy it with no tearing or stutter but I go on my brand new PC with over 100fps yet its a tearing/stuttering mess that honestly makes me sick to stomach because of how bad it's.
Different expectations and different input methods I guess.
When you're sitting 10ft from a laggy TV with a wireless controller, you don't see these problems nearly as much as sitting 2-3ft from a low latency monitor using a mouse.
Maybe you're also less concerned about performance when you paid less than $300 instead of $1000+
The awful performance of games on that generation of console hardware is what got me to sell everything and move back to PC as my primary platform again.
'80s-'00s were PC gaming for me, '00-'07 was mainly console gaming, and since then I've been 100% PC gaming and wouldn't consider a console again.
The shift from primarily 60 FPS targeted console games to 30 FPS games that frequently dropped below that was unacceptable to me.
