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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 18:48
by lyrill
lizardpeter wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 18:42
Zace wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 18:33
Wdym by contrast reduction trick?
Kind of like this trick the Chief was talking about.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4973

But I have also found success with reducing ghosting by lowing the contrast on the monitor as much as possible and by increasing the brightness to compensate.
just set to 8 and 8 and forget. This much I Iearned from the ROG 180hz prior to 240hz ROG even came out. I have watched quite enough of HDR movies with the limited time I have, considering the low quality of content these years.. I haven't felt the need to match my gaming with max OS HDR brightness or MIN, not even close. tyvm.

Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 18:54
by lyrill
north-player wrote:
24 Sep 2021, 19:56
Notty_PT wrote:
23 Sep 2021, 14:41

Of course! If you are running a game with more than 240fps you will for sure notice it at 240hz, while at 390hz your monitor will display every frame. I mean, that is easily noticeable, but does it make you play better with all that blur fest? It does nothing for me on Quake, I track way worse as the images are not clear. And what about fast flicks? Total nightmare compared to a good and matured 240hz panel

With these models I feel like playing on an very low input lag responsive mouse, with no frame skipping at all

but...

coupled with "10 years ago" awful pixel response time levels.

Maybe the upcoming TN 0,5ms 360hz panels, releasing soon, will be faster. I guess.
I definitely appreciate striving for the best image clarity, but I think it's a little hyperbolic to say the Acer is making you "way worse" at games. Even pro players don't split hairs that much. The fact is both the Acer and the most matured TN panels have excellent pixel response times. That's not the say there isn't a difference in motion clarity between these monitors, it's just that the difference is simply not great enough to have any significant effect on in-game performance (beyond placebo/bias).

In my opinion: If you stare at the UFO test all day -- get the fastest 240 Hz TN. If you don't, the Acer is a better monitor by most metrics.
these people, well let's just say some people will always act like there is a "either you or me" thing going on. I have absolutely no idea where such a sentiment is coming from. I was not the first to use 120hz 180hz TN but I was certainly a lot earlier than 99% if not 99.99% people easily. And I did not question their choice of ips for the 360 stuff nor this 390. I did question the 2k 144hz stuff heavily tho.

Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 19:09
by lizardpeter
lyrill wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 18:48
just set to 8 and 8 and forget.
Set what to 8 and 8? The brightness and contrast in the NVIDIA Control Panel? What about on the monitor's OSD itself?

Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 19:10
by lyrill
monitor.....duh

Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 19:17
by lizardpeter
lyrill wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 19:10
monitor.....duh
It is not my fault you don't clarify what you are talking about. You know there are separate settings in the NVIDIA Control Panel and the monitor itself, right? And the message from me that you quoted was actually in response to a post by the Chief that was talking about changing it in the NVIDIA Control Panel and the monitor.

Why do you keep attacking people though? Everyone is just trying to have an intelligent conversation.

Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 20:47
by Zace
lizardpeter wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 18:42
Zace wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 18:33
Wdym by contrast reduction trick?
Kind of like this trick the Chief was talking about.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4973

But I have also found success with reducing ghosting by lowing the contrast on the monitor as much as possible and by increasing the brightness to compensate.
Have you done any nvidia control panel tweaks?

Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 21:44
by lyrill
lizardpeter wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 19:17
lyrill wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 19:10
monitor.....duh
It is not my fault you don't clarify what you are talking about. You know there are separate settings in the NVIDIA Control Panel and the monitor itself, right? And the message from me that you quoted was actually in response to a post by the Chief that was talking about changing it in the NVIDIA Control Panel and the monitor.

Why do you keep attacking people though? Everyone is just trying to have an intelligent conversation.
attacking who? I am that everybody too. What fault? I don't use Nvidia panel to change anything for the monitor basics, this is monitor thread. You yourself were exactly talking about monitor setup numbers, what do you not get that I should have specified??? I don't know what quote you are talking about but as you can tell I don't visit this thread often even though I'm most equipped to talk about THE TOPIC AT HAND. BECAUSE I don't want to upset people in the first place. OK? But I have to check it at some point you know, if people are still talking about it months after they got it even though that was months after I got it, why can't I chime in again? And going through a long chunk of "unread" is not easy to begin with. Nobody bothered to reply to me either, I didn't have to bother but here I am. That makes me virtuous, not weak. Please try consider/appreciate all that on top of your suddenly being unwelcoming. Just read my comments and glean what you want, or not. Completely like, up to you sir. Just go through informational stuff ok and ignore what you don't like ok from me or anyone? I'll try as well thank you all.

I went back to read 3 posts of mine and it's clear that you were just projecting. I've always only talked about the big picture. If you are going to quote random Chief quotes, he said keep the flaming in the gaming not the forum. It's easy to not admit to truth being told, and one of them is that quake champions is not a successful game and not a full realization of what people tout as its legacy. What's at the central core of it, is the lack of nuance of gunplay. And that is dictated by lack of nuance in map design. On the complete opposite of that, is PUBG and WT, both predating this "modern title". In other words, people who were playing quake prior to qc were literally stuck in the very past, where as people who were playing PUBG and prior to that WT already moved on to, at least at the time, much greener pastures. And they are still a lot less dead than QC, 4 and 6 years past (excluding obscure alpha periods). Not every thread reply needs to be me inserting an essay let alone thesis length that it takes to educate every next dude why these titles are superior than the rest. People in general, everywhere, have a tendency to evade complications because it's something they are not ready for, but not every action taken by human beings are cautious, timid, or even digressive, because at some point something is gonna become boring and someone is gonna want to seek out more. That is the natural validation of "making a difference". If you don't have people casting doubts, it ain't making a difference enough :). Ironic enough, it's the OTT playstyle that only befit the potato rez/hz period that should long be cast aside as archaic and dated and digressive, while the nuanced, calculated and more expansive playstyles enabled by next gen tech that are supposed to be hailed as progressive, and celebrated by all, not just a sector, certainly in no way a niche. Anyone who was salty or angry that PUBG blew up, were simply in total rejection. Why OW/PUBG/R6S/BFV killed themselves with esport push, was that management failed to realize early enough that a slower game can also be played fast, but a fast game cannot be the other way around.

Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 21:57
by lizardpeter
Zace wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 20:47
lizardpeter wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 18:42
Zace wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 18:33
Wdym by contrast reduction trick?
Kind of like this trick the Chief was talking about.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4973

But I have also found success with reducing ghosting by lowing the contrast on the monitor as much as possible and by increasing the brightness to compensate.
Have you done any nvidia control panel tweaks?
Not yet. I’m going to try to mess with those settings later tonight. I’ll report back.

Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 30 Sep 2021, 00:32
by planart
Have been lurking this forum for awhile, decided to hop in now. So hiya!

Bought this Acer 390Hz. Didn't really need it. Saw some big hype online. Then there was a deal at local shop for 350€ for damaged packaging readily to take with. Could not resist.

After using it a week or so, coming in from MAG251RX. Sure it is a slight improvement, but slight is the keyword here. It's smoother. Input lag is the most impressive thing. First time ever it starts to feel hand movement correlates to screen in the same instant it happens. That is the best thing about this.

Response times on the other hand... Man it's a bit hard topic. It's not perfect. It's good though. Very fast paced things still can get a little messy moving. VRB Extreme helps but does seem to induce a strange brain pain for me and while it sharpens the fine details there's still slight trailing or crosstalk which was maybe the annoying aspect of the movement in the first place. Maybe I get used to. Coming month will tell if I even end up using it.

Even though this might provide some quality of life to be had here and there, I hardly believe it's a tool which would allow me to get any better compared to something like MAG251RX.

Menus, settings and navigating them is a mess. How hard can this aspect be. Gladly default settings are pretty okay and currently VRB is the only setting I tinker with.

Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Posted: 30 Sep 2021, 00:59
by Discorz
lizardpeter wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 17:06
What is strange is that I noticed BFI clearly making a difference on my AW2518H (I only tried it a few times for testing) even though it only ran at 144 Hz with BFI on and 240 Hz with it off. I feel like maybe the refresh rate of this monitor and its speed make the BFI less important.
Yes, I'd say its that. Already high 390Hz + could use faster response times + could use shorter pulse duration and maybe better crosstalk tuning.

Low refresh rate strobing can look much better because of wider refresh window. Giving transition more time to complete. Also QFT can be used and many more... Generally low hz strobing makes more sense.

Zace wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 18:33
Wdym by contrast reduction trick?
lizardpeter wrote:
29 Sep 2021, 18:42
But I have also found success with reducing ghosting by lowing the contrast on the monitor as much as possible and by increasing the brightness to compensate.
The contrast and RGB values trick only worked on TN panels for me. What am I missing here?