Looking for help with input/desync issues
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This subforum is for advanced users only. This separate area is for niche or unexpected lag issues such as electromagnetic interference (EMI, EMF, electrical, radiofrequency, etc). Interference of all kinds (wired, wireless, external, internal, environment, bad component) can cause error-correction (ECC) latencies like a bad modem connection, except internally in a circuit. ECC = retransmits = lag. Troubleshooting may require university degree. Your lag issue is likely not EMI.
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IMPORTANT:
This subforum is for advanced users only. This separate area is for niche or unexpected lag issues such as electromagnetic interference (EMI, EMF, electrical, radiofrequency, etc). Interference of all kinds (wired, wireless, external, internal, environment, bad component) can cause error-correction (ECC) latencies like a bad modem connection, except internally in a circuit. ECC = retransmits = lag. Troubleshooting may require university degree. Your lag issue is likely not EMI.
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blackmagic
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Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQmePIJY_sA
its amazing when game works the way it should and stays stable like that...much much more enjoyable and easy.
i know exactly this feeling and had exactly this moments too here but there are fucking very rare and only somehow worked after change some pc parts or reset bioses or some other shit change where i had feel that this is an fix FINALLY...but it all always degraded to bad again just after 1-2 matches of good and stable...
the spray in this clip even works different and your muscle memory and experience just do the job for you...
the only thing you focus is to move and aim and press left mouse click and some sense for enemy and map awareness and sounds...
sadly not many out there realize this all and how different this game behaves for many and this all causes such big advantage against disadvantage gap...its fucking huge...
u just need to see smurfs play at lower ranks and you start to understand all this all unfair bullshit and the huge gap because of some weird shit issue that plagues many of us and at all ranks...
even pros and known streamers notice all this but they still talk about some SKILL GAME SENSE ISSUE and PRACTICE AIM. i just cant fucking understand this...how blind and stupid people can be.
but all the kiddies and viewers believe them and then go install aimlab and some realize after that it dont rly make an huge difference for them lol...
cause you cant fix this issue with just some aimlab...and that the reality many still dont get and understand.
its amazing when game works the way it should and stays stable like that...much much more enjoyable and easy.
i know exactly this feeling and had exactly this moments too here but there are fucking very rare and only somehow worked after change some pc parts or reset bioses or some other shit change where i had feel that this is an fix FINALLY...but it all always degraded to bad again just after 1-2 matches of good and stable...
the spray in this clip even works different and your muscle memory and experience just do the job for you...
the only thing you focus is to move and aim and press left mouse click and some sense for enemy and map awareness and sounds...
sadly not many out there realize this all and how different this game behaves for many and this all causes such big advantage against disadvantage gap...its fucking huge...
u just need to see smurfs play at lower ranks and you start to understand all this all unfair bullshit and the huge gap because of some weird shit issue that plagues many of us and at all ranks...
even pros and known streamers notice all this but they still talk about some SKILL GAME SENSE ISSUE and PRACTICE AIM. i just cant fucking understand this...how blind and stupid people can be.
but all the kiddies and viewers believe them and then go install aimlab and some realize after that it dont rly make an huge difference for them lol...
cause you cant fix this issue with just some aimlab...and that the reality many still dont get and understand.
Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
Yeah, I was watching steel last night.
He got insta 1 tapped 10 times in a row and called whiffs etc, which makes no sense lmao.
But steel is a streamer rather than a pro player idk, cant take him serious eventhough hes a good teammate to have i suppose but his game was just running terrible and he seemed unfazed..
I quit spending on this place too, will find a way to move out and hope for no lag, lmao
He got insta 1 tapped 10 times in a row and called whiffs etc, which makes no sense lmao.
But steel is a streamer rather than a pro player idk, cant take him serious eventhough hes a good teammate to have i suppose but his game was just running terrible and he seemed unfazed..
I quit spending on this place too, will find a way to move out and hope for no lag, lmao
Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
There is a trick arround on google where you can filtre players threw steam in you're town or next to it with the postal code. goo inspect the profiles if they are high elo players and then ask them where they live exactly. this is a way to exclude to 100% that the new place where you move out is not congested
Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
Hey, I know this sounds really basic and dumb AF,
Try replacing all your screws with 'non painted' or 'anodized' screws, making sure that you get a somewhat tight mount on each of the motherboard standoffs (make sure none are missing in the holes where the motherboard is meant to mount). Then tighten the screws enough that you get some smushing of the solder hills around the screw hole.
Then do the same for the power supply, put in the 4 screws (some PSU's have 8 screw holes that might fit an 8 hole case), then for the case lids that are metal use the SERRATED HEXAGONAL SHAPED screws to ream out the powder coating in order for a good contact to form.
That's all I can say. Try that. For me it helped remove delayed hitreg sounds in valorant and resulted in pristine input lag/tracking after a single deathmatch game.
Remember, we abandoned this ATX grounding standard back in the early 2000's when we ditched the beige box for the sleek black RGB racecar aesthetic.
If you have a 2 prong power cable, get an electrician to ground your house and put a 3rd prong for every socket in the house, I guess. That aside you can test it temporarily by running a low gauge (thick) copper cable from your water pipe to your PC. Yeah, the pipe needs to be metal, like copper.
Essentially we need a lower resistance return line for signals to hold without ECC activating and causing delay/order recombination on the USB, PCIE, and NET controllers. A raised background ground potential has issues with voltages varying throughout the operation of the PC, charge buildup, etc etc. You need to provide the ground line with a low resistance return route other than the tiny 24 pin and 8 pin EPS at the top and top right of the board. The larger the board, the more important grounding is, since the return paths are far longer and thereby higher resistance.
For me I run MSI UTIL linemode with all devices other than my mouse and keyboard priority set to low. It doesn't deteriorate my netcode experience in this case. You need to backup before trying that one though, and don't touch wifi or AMD PSP devices in that program (or you BSOD lock yourself out)
Try replacing all your screws with 'non painted' or 'anodized' screws, making sure that you get a somewhat tight mount on each of the motherboard standoffs (make sure none are missing in the holes where the motherboard is meant to mount). Then tighten the screws enough that you get some smushing of the solder hills around the screw hole.
Then do the same for the power supply, put in the 4 screws (some PSU's have 8 screw holes that might fit an 8 hole case), then for the case lids that are metal use the SERRATED HEXAGONAL SHAPED screws to ream out the powder coating in order for a good contact to form.
That's all I can say. Try that. For me it helped remove delayed hitreg sounds in valorant and resulted in pristine input lag/tracking after a single deathmatch game.
Remember, we abandoned this ATX grounding standard back in the early 2000's when we ditched the beige box for the sleek black RGB racecar aesthetic.
If you have a 2 prong power cable, get an electrician to ground your house and put a 3rd prong for every socket in the house, I guess. That aside you can test it temporarily by running a low gauge (thick) copper cable from your water pipe to your PC. Yeah, the pipe needs to be metal, like copper.
Essentially we need a lower resistance return line for signals to hold without ECC activating and causing delay/order recombination on the USB, PCIE, and NET controllers. A raised background ground potential has issues with voltages varying throughout the operation of the PC, charge buildup, etc etc. You need to provide the ground line with a low resistance return route other than the tiny 24 pin and 8 pin EPS at the top and top right of the board. The larger the board, the more important grounding is, since the return paths are far longer and thereby higher resistance.
For me I run MSI UTIL linemode with all devices other than my mouse and keyboard priority set to low. It doesn't deteriorate my netcode experience in this case. You need to backup before trying that one though, and don't touch wifi or AMD PSP devices in that program (or you BSOD lock yourself out)
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loccomacco
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Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
Unfortunately the History is repeating itself here, people keep saying same things over and over, while those things already been tried over and over without any success to pass through this big speed block.
We are hearing same thing by different people, eh
Please search on the forum about any suggestions and watch how many people already tried that. from moving out to grounding and thing related to it,they all are just some old topics that had low to zero effects, tbf, for 95% of people here. So many people moved out without any success, same with proper grounding.
We are hearing same thing by different people, eh
Please search on the forum about any suggestions and watch how many people already tried that. from moving out to grounding and thing related to it,they all are just some old topics that had low to zero effects, tbf, for 95% of people here. So many people moved out without any success, same with proper grounding.
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loccomacco
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Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
Sorry guys, I wanna make it clear, I'm not regretting your cases, I'm saying, the amount of people who tried one type like different locations or proper grounding or some tweaks, without seeing any difference, at least in long term, is a lot more than those who observed some changes in their inputlags, so if you saw some changes, you are unique in your case.
Wish all find their solution because it's may be different for each person.
Anyways, tbh, I don't think so. I think we all suffer from one thing and we should find it, if symptoms are close to each others, not just one symptom, it means we all have same problem.
Wish all find their solution because it's may be different for each person.
Anyways, tbh, I don't think so. I think we all suffer from one thing and we should find it, if symptoms are close to each others, not just one symptom, it means we all have same problem.
Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
I'll try to clarify the solution of our problem
The main reason for the electric input lag - saturation of the transformer core in transformer substation. In short, this leads to parasitic inductance in the conductors. Components in the PC are magnetized and work with errors (especially DDR memory). The magnetic field begins to spread the monitor, PC and router. Saturation comes from two lines - from Internet and your outlet. The problem must be solved, both with the Internet and with the outlet. For the Internet, I can advise 2 rt-tx media converters. The first one includes a twisted pair cable, and the second one includes an optical cable with further access to a twisted pair cable (the second converter will definitely need to be connected to the transformer).
The reason why filters (DC blockers, UPS) help in the first time...They are not saturated yet, but then they will only make the situation worse.
The solutions that exist at the moment, this is a transformer with a core with a non-magnetic gap.
I describe the problem as briefly as possible.
Sorry for my bad english.
The main reason for the electric input lag - saturation of the transformer core in transformer substation. In short, this leads to parasitic inductance in the conductors. Components in the PC are magnetized and work with errors (especially DDR memory). The magnetic field begins to spread the monitor, PC and router. Saturation comes from two lines - from Internet and your outlet. The problem must be solved, both with the Internet and with the outlet. For the Internet, I can advise 2 rt-tx media converters. The first one includes a twisted pair cable, and the second one includes an optical cable with further access to a twisted pair cable (the second converter will definitely need to be connected to the transformer).
The reason why filters (DC blockers, UPS) help in the first time...They are not saturated yet, but then they will only make the situation worse.
The solutions that exist at the moment, this is a transformer with a core with a non-magnetic gap.
I describe the problem as briefly as possible.
Sorry for my bad english.
Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
Would you have some example of transformers using non-magnetic gap ? idealy single phase 230v 50hz outputgogodek1 wrote: ↑26 Jun 2023, 07:14I'll try to clarify the solution of our problem
The main reason for the electric input lag - saturation of the transformer core in transformer substation. In short, this leads to parasitic inductance in the conductors. Components in the PC are magnetized and work with errors (especially DDR memory). The magnetic field begins to spread the monitor, PC and router. Saturation comes from two lines - from Internet and your outlet. The problem must be solved, both with the Internet and with the outlet. For the Internet, I can advise 2 rt-tx media converters. The first one includes a twisted pair cable, and the second one includes an optical cable with further access to a twisted pair cable (the second converter will definitely need to be connected to the transformer).
The reason why filters (DC blockers, UPS) help in the first time...They are not saturated yet, but then they will only make the situation worse.
The solutions that exist at the moment, this is a transformer with a core with a non-magnetic gap.
I describe the problem as briefly as possible.
Sorry for my bad english.
Thanks
Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
Unfortunately, I have not seen such transformers on free sale. This is made to order, preferably at the factory. It must have a magnetic permeability of 6000 µ, with a power 3 times greater than the power supply (this is necessary for the dispersion of magnetic fields). As a result, such a device turns out to be large and heavy, approximately 50 kg. The price in Russla is about 600-700 dollars.wadge wrote: ↑04 Jul 2023, 10:14Would you have some example of transformers using non-magnetic gap ? idealy single phase 230v 50hz outputgogodek1 wrote: ↑26 Jun 2023, 07:14I'll try to clarify the solution of our problem
The main reason for the electric input lag - saturation of the transformer core in transformer substation. In short, this leads to parasitic inductance in the conductors. Components in the PC are magnetized and work with errors (especially DDR memory). The magnetic field begins to spread the monitor, PC and router. Saturation comes from two lines - from Internet and your outlet. The problem must be solved, both with the Internet and with the outlet. For the Internet, I can advise 2 rt-tx media converters. The first one includes a twisted pair cable, and the second one includes an optical cable with further access to a twisted pair cable (the second converter will definitely need to be connected to the transformer).
The reason why filters (DC blockers, UPS) help in the first time...They are not saturated yet, but then they will only make the situation worse.
The solutions that exist at the moment, this is a transformer with a core with a non-magnetic gap.
I describe the problem as briefly as possible.
Sorry for my bad english.
Thanks
By the way, prolonged stay in an apartment with strong magnetic fields significantly affects on health. Work of the transformer affects on health too. Ideally, you need to change apartment where there is no such problem.
The house with our problem acts like a large antenna that emits electric fields. Parasitic currents flow through water and gas pipes and fittings.
Chinese energy companies are already aware of this problem. They came up with a special term for this. However, they say that a comprehensive solution to the problem is very difficult.
If we talk about a certain source, then these are huge high-voltage transformer stations. They emit this shit of 6 km. radius (You can use this as in choosing housing)
Re: Looking for help with input/desync issues
What do you think about line choke with air gap?gogodek1 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2023, 00:27Unfortunately, I have not seen such transformers on free sale. This is made to order, preferably at the factory. It must have a magnetic permeability of 6000 µ, with a power 3 times greater than the power supply (this is necessary for the dispersion of magnetic fields). As a result, such a device turns out to be large and heavy, approximately 50 kg. The price in Russla is about 600-700 dollars.wadge wrote: ↑04 Jul 2023, 10:14Would you have some example of transformers using non-magnetic gap ? idealy single phase 230v 50hz outputgogodek1 wrote: ↑26 Jun 2023, 07:14I'll try to clarify the solution of our problem
The main reason for the electric input lag - saturation of the transformer core in transformer substation. In short, this leads to parasitic inductance in the conductors. Components in the PC are magnetized and work with errors (especially DDR memory). The magnetic field begins to spread the monitor, PC and router. Saturation comes from two lines - from Internet and your outlet. The problem must be solved, both with the Internet and with the outlet. For the Internet, I can advise 2 rt-tx media converters. The first one includes a twisted pair cable, and the second one includes an optical cable with further access to a twisted pair cable (the second converter will definitely need to be connected to the transformer).
The reason why filters (DC blockers, UPS) help in the first time...They are not saturated yet, but then they will only make the situation worse.
The solutions that exist at the moment, this is a transformer with a core with a non-magnetic gap.
I describe the problem as briefly as possible.
Sorry for my bad english.
Thanks
By the way, prolonged stay in an apartment with strong magnetic fields significantly affects on health. Work of the transformer affects on health too. Ideally, you need to change apartment where there is no such problem.
The house with our problem acts like a large antenna that emits electric fields. Parasitic currents flow through water and gas pipes and fittings.
Chinese energy companies are already aware of this problem. They came up with a special term for this. However, they say that a comprehensive solution to the problem is very difficult.
If we talk about a certain source, then these are huge high-voltage transformer stations. They emit this shit of 6 km. radius (You can use this as in choosing housing)
"They consist of EI iron cores with air gap,
a copper winding on a uniform bobbin,
metal footing and electric terminals"
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