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NeonPizza wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2022, 00:30

I can't game on OLED unless the game is 120fps and that's solely because 120fps cuts motion blur down by half and doubles up on motion resolution. It also reduces latency down to 5ms which is getting close to CRT and of course gives you that realistic buttery smooth motion that you just can't get from 60. And you have two settings to further reduce motion blur & gain more motion resolution. With the LG C1, they're Motion Pro Low & Medium which are designed for 120hz bfi.....Wouldn't recommend medium though as it robs you of too much brigthness where as low only takes a small amount. Low, as is makes a noticeable improvement but there will a bit of shadow detail crushing and a little more latency in return.

Anyways, witha60fps for example, is like gaming through the eyes of Barny Gumble from The Simpsons. Can't get down with that drunkOvision nonsense. Kills the experience in every first and 3rd person based title i play. Heck, i refuse to play Resident Evil 8: Village until i get an Aurora RTX3080 PC so i can plunk it at 120fps. Seeing as how capcom hasn't even bothered to update it with a 120fps patch for Series X or PS5. They could get that game running at 120fps(Including RE2,3 & 7) @1080p if they wanted....

But back to BFI....Streaming/Discs, Max BFI on the CX has been said to offer under 100 nits brightness which is not ideal, but apparently it has <2ms persistence which is 1ms faster than the C1's MotionPro High setting. Plus, there's more shadow detail crushing with the CX from it's BFI. CX may have the fastest BFI in the land OLED TV's, but the below 100 nits is a deal breaker for me personally.

I'm assuming the BFI shadow detail crushing can be corrected with a professional calibration, but you'd still be left with an ugly dim picture. I'd wait for this years LG G2 since it has a heatsink+Evo panel which will guarantee you over 100 nits easily with it's BFI. Better yet, there's the Sony QD-OLED arriving this year, which will cost a pretty penny. but it will outdo the G2 in brightness, it's BFI however might perform worse. I've heard that Sony's 2021 OLED's have worse motion than the LG C1 & G2.

But ya, the motion blur reduction from my C1's BFI High setting is in the same ball park as my panasonic S60 plasma. that plasma has average motion by plasma standards, yet the C1 ever so slightly has less blur in BFI high mode. Not sure which of the two wins in motion resolution. S60 has been said to have 700-800p, i'm guessing the C1 lands around there as well or possibly better.

And i've got to say, after owning multiple CRT's over the years, going from something like a Sony Wega trinitron from the early to mid 2000's and 'then' to a panny S60 plasma was a total downgrade in regards to motion Blur and Brightness. That Sony, obviously had zero Blur nor did it have any motion dithering/artifacts or green phosphor trails. It was also brighter as well and produced a more sculpted picture with more pop.

And then going from the S60 plasma to my LG C1 OLED was another big downgrade as far as motion is concerned. Far more Motion Blur, only 300p motion resolution & 3x the judder. lol BFI/MotionPro HIGH for streaming & 120fps gaming are a CRT lovers only hope with OLED

Ozzuneoj wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2022, 00:44

NeonPizza wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2022, 00:30

I can't game on OLED unless the game is 120fps and that's solely because 120fps cuts motion blur down by half and doubles up on motion resolution. It also reduces latency down to 5ms which is getting close to CRT and of course gives you that realistic buttery smooth motion that you just can't get from 60. And you have two settings to further reduce motion blur & gain more motion resolution. With the LG C1, they're Motion Pro Low & Medium which are designed for 120hz bfi.....Wouldn't recommend medium though as it robs you of too much brigthness where as low only takes a small amount. Low, as is makes a noticeable improvement but there will a bit of shadow detail crushing and a little more latency in return.

Anyways, witha60fps for example, is like gaming through the eyes of Barny Gumble from The Simpsons. Can't get down with that drunkOvision nonsense. Kills the experience in every first and 3rd person based title i play. Heck, i refuse to play Resident Evil 8: Village until i get an Aurora RTX3080 PC so i can plunk it at 120fps. Seeing as how capcom hasn't even bothered to update it with a 120fps patch for Series X or PS5. They could get that game running at 120fps(Including RE2,3 & 7) @1080p if they wanted....

But back to BFI....Streaming/Discs, Max BFI on the CX has been said to offer under 100 nits brightness which is not ideal, but apparently it has <2ms persistence which is 1ms faster than the C1's MotionPro High setting. Plus, there's more shadow detail crushing with the CX from it's BFI. CX may have the fastest BFI in the land OLED TV's, but the below 100 nits is a deal breaker for me personally.

I'm assuming the BFI shadow detail crushing can be corrected with a professional calibration, but you'd still be left with an ugly dim picture. I'd wait for this years LG G2 since it has a heatsink+Evo panel which will guarantee you over 100 nits easily with it's BFI. Better yet, there's the Sony QD-OLED arriving this year, which will cost a pretty penny. but it will outdo the G2 in brightness, it's BFI however might perform worse. I've heard that Sony's 2021 OLED's have worse motion than the LG C1 & G2.

But ya, the motion blur reduction from my C1's BFI High setting is in the same ball park as my panasonic S60 plasma. that plasma has average motion by plasma standards, yet the C1 ever so slightly has less blur in BFI high mode. Not sure which of the two wins in motion resolution. S60 has been said to have 700-800p, i'm guessing the C1 lands around there as well or possibly better.

And i've got to say, after owning multiple CRT's over the years, going from something like a Sony Wega trinitron from the early to mid 2000's and 'then' to a panny S60 plasma was a total downgrade in regards to motion Blur and Brightness. That Sony, obviously had zero Blur nor did it have any motion dithering/artifacts or green phosphor trails. It was also brighter as well and produced a more sculpted picture with more pop.

And then going from the S60 plasma to my LG C1 OLED was another big downgrade as far as motion is concerned. Far more Motion Blur, only 300p motion resolution & 3x the judder. lol BFI/MotionPro HIGH for streaming & 120fps gaming are a CRT lovers only hope with OLED

Thanks for the feedback. I will admit, I haven't even seen an OLED display in person other than some smart phones. We don't have any electronics stores in my area so I'd have to travel to a store that might carry one.

Judder and blur are a bit concerning to me. I really don't like to spend lots of money on something that ends up being a downgrade from what I was using in some way. I don't expect my next TV to surpass my XL2720Z in motion clarity necessarily, but I don't think it needs to for use as a TV. Now, I would be sort of surprised if my current 60Hz LCD TV from 2013 was better than an LG C1 in any possible way, but... if it was I'd be a little annoyed. heh

Several years ago I had high hopes for laser projectors to fill the hole left by the death of the CRT... what ever happened to those? I don't mean standard LCD-based projectors with laser light sources, mean the ones that actually use laser beams to draw out the image (which creates a scanning effect like a CRT). I can't seem to find anything about them now.

EDIT: This is what I'm talking about.
https://blurbusters.com/laser-displays- ... rsistence/

NeonPizza wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2022, 17:45

Does anybody know how much motion resolution you get with the LG C1's MotionPro HIGH/BFI setting?

Cellx wrote: ↑

14 Mar 2022, 16:12

Guys, the LG C2 seemingly no longer allows 120hz BFI, this really sucks. It's strange how they still keep 60hz BFI, only 120hz is gone.
I hope that's just reviewers getting an early firmware, but I'm already looking at Sony for an alternative.
I've been waiting for an OLED that's 42" for so long, with good BFI and low latency on PC mode. I'm LITERALLY at my wits ends here, 60fps gaming with lcd blur is hell
Is anyone in this forum familiar with how Sony's BFI and motion smoothing behave while connected to a PC? I could ask the same for LG but I know PC usage on LG's OLEDs are good enough and allow 4K120 BFI in PC mode but I still don't know if the inputlag is sub 20ms or not.
Controversial, but I'd also like to be able to use motion smoothing while in game mode, just in case (30fps games?). Again, no idea if LG or Sony allows this.

NeonPizza wrote: ↑

25 Feb 2022, 17:06

If i were you, I'd hold out just a little longer for this years LG G2, C2, the Sony A80K & A95K OLED's just to see how good their black frame insertions are and if any of them can hit <2ms. There isn't one single OLED on the market that has BFI capable of <1ms persistence that i know of and I doubt we'll see it with the 4 OLED's above. Sony's A95K QD-OLED will have even more brightness to spare than the G2(has a heatsink) so maybe sony could get it down to 1ms & over 100 nits. Just have to wait and see.

Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑

20 Oct 2021, 13:35

Sadly, you cannot get better than 4ms MPRT with the best LG OLEDs configured with BFI enabled.

Note: refresh rate headroom trick isn't necessary for OLEDs, like it is for LCDs.

(For 60Hz mode, not 120Hz mode)
Unfortunately the 60Hz BFI feature of LG C1 OLED is blurrier than the BFI feature in LG CX OLED.
LG CX OLED BFI Maximum = ~4ms MPRT = 75% less motion blur sample-hold 60Hz
LG C1 OLED BFI Maximum = ~8ms MPRT = 50% less blur than sample-hold 60Hz

CubanLegend wrote: ↑

17 Nov 2024, 19:33

How was it that the CX OLED BFI 60hz is less motion blur? Is there a REASON why this is, or is there a comparison of this somewhere to see it, please?