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Hello guys

This is last update i think

I bought corsair psu and I compare it to my evga psu

Here is the result

Old Evga psu ( high emi )



https://youtu.be/FuI1uCcFuVY


New Corsair psu ( no emi )

https://youtu.be/Qregvk8WnSI

This test without any filter or power condition or anything

Can you test both of the psu plugged in to the pc/motherboard please?

Nawafwabs wrote: ↑

14 May 2020, 06:17

Hello guys

This is last update i think

I bought corsair psu and I compare it to my evga psu

Here is the result

Old Evga psu ( high emi )



https://youtu.be/FuI1uCcFuVY


New Corsair psu ( no emi )

https://youtu.be/Qregvk8WnSI

This test without any filter or power condition or anything

hello, are you sure that using greenwave filter helps you elevate the slow, heavy gameplay? It is hard to believe because if one was to look at the reviews and blogs about such products greenwave, stetzerizer filters it instantly smells like scam because:
1) these filters were released long time ago, however there is very little information on youtube or other website to comfirm the good effect
2) most reviews on amazon or blogs seem to be way too positive (fake promotion?)
3) again If you think about the amount of people that complain about input lag, delay, heavy game (huge numbers), why does noone buy this product?
4) there seems to always be atleast one negative review that points out an interesting fact which I will try to cite: "they sell you the problem which is the emi meter/scanner, then you buy the fix for the problem - their filter and in the end you just spend money to fix non-existant problem". If another emi meter/scanner was used to identify wether the greenwave filter has any effect it usually does not show any improvement in numbers.

I do aswell have this problem slow/heavy gameplay:
1) It happens offline - therefore it is not internet related. I have A+ on bufferbloat and do not suffer from ping spikes
2) I could never grasp the concept of how can a less skilled player beat a player that has few year experience - obviously if changing out the software/hardware/internet did not help there is deeper problem that limits the skill factor. It does indeed lead me to believe that emi or rfi cause my ingame actions to be delayed enough that I cannot outplay a less skilled player.

However, what was interesting for me that the thread owners' greenwave meter/scanner displayed different readings at night vs day. I do not drop the possibility of owner faking this to promote the product.

If it weren't that shipping the product to my country costs asmuch as the product itself 45$ for international filter + 45$ for shipping I would gladly buy and test it out considering that replacing various computer parts did cost way more than this filter.

Something to look at when considering these filters, im sure there is plenty more and better explained evidence:
1) https://imgur.com/a/8WEuUnv
2) https://www.reddit.com/r/EEwtf/comments ... f_filters/

I want to share one thing that is very close to problems you guys have here.
For many years my register in CS was bad, desync problems. I was after every possible tweak you can find.
I think that if you are not sending/receiving enough proper data to server, it might act as you are behind game state.

After many tweaks, the most unbelievable thing. Unshielded ethernet cable being close to AC/DC laptop adapter was the final culprit.
Now ethernet cable is far away for this AC/DC adapter and going perpendicularly against any power cables from power bar.
Tested through couple of days. Game was never as consistent as it is now.
For evidence, I checked retransmits - it points to TCP packets, but if TCP packets get lost, UDP can too, and you won't know it. I don't know why CS didn't pick up any loss, maybe it is impossible to track is such detail, or maybe data was there, but broken? That's why TCP is retransmitting, and UDP sending wrong data? I don't know, but difference is there.

Across all servers in all games I can feel difference. For CSGO difference is like:

BEFORE: Peeking and being shot without ability to react, not being able to hold weirdest angle, spray not connecting, one taps were my best bet
AFTER: Peeking feels right, more time to react. If enemy peeks me and I don't expect it, I am at least able to flick and almost fire, holding weird angles feels normal, spray connects with most if not all bullets, game overall feels not so fast, player models look like they are peeking smoother than before.

I've seen interference-hopping like this. Good catch.

This is one of those "EMI situations that I have full control over" -- a power brick! (Which can be relocated, replaced, or discontinued).

Although placebo is common, real gaming inteference does happen. Inteference injecting random latency spikes generating random packet loss or DSL retransmit or Ethernet retransmits or whatever = Even a few random 10ms spikes per second = random hitreg behaviour due to hitregs missing CS:GO 128tick cycles (1/128sec = 8ms) relative to a consistent fixed latency you've pre-trained at!

Assuming your random latency jitter is generated locally from packet-loss situations, not at the ISP -- this is another red herring and wild goose chase risk, since most of the time it's ISP / server / connection and not EMI. Playing "Sherlock Holmes" on retransmits is a great way to figure this out scientifically/deterministically -- if it is happening at a network layer you can monitor retransmits of (it can happen at any layer, even different from TCP or UDP layer). Looking at all of them, from DSL retransmits (in DSL modem panel), retransmits in a tunnel layer (PPPoE layer, VPN layer, whatever), as retransmits may not be showing at the game packet level (just appearing as randomly increased latency). Some are beyond your control (things happening outside your premises) but some things -- like that EMI-noisy power brick -- are indeed within control.

I make sure that all my power bricks are nowhere near my critical gaming towers / monitors / non-power cables.

Some infernal power bricks are sometimes almost as bad as the "Router + LG 5K monitor" fiasco. It just happens a lot less often, and often fainter, but power bricks are a huge culprit in many intererence problems. (Caveat emptor with the lower-quality manufatured unbranded generic power bricks and power supplies...)

Some power bricks are really well made and behave as they don't even exist, but better safe than sorry -- life is full of power bricks nowadays.
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P.S. Generally; when setting up a new rig -- I always recommend power equipment (bricks, supplies, power wires, outlet bar) away from electronics and non-power wiring where possible. Unavoidably you have to power up your computer, but do your best to segregate the power cables leading into the monitor/tower away from the rest of the cables/electronics -- and stick to good computer power supplies. Even cable routing design inside gaming tower can be a situation of "cuts by a thousand microseconds" that are impossible to diagnose except simply being prepared and pre-emptive by keeping high-power electricity "socially distanced" away from circuitry and/or data wires. For example, mains wires, power bricks, power supplies, even high-power wires like GPU power connectors -- all should not be routed mere millimeters over the surface of a M.2 SSD or RAM or CPU or sensitive parts of motherboard. The more power, the more distance you want (rules of squares). Think ahead, and you'll avoid those "1 in 100" situations that are impossible to troubeshoot. Good cable routing design + good cable routing behind desk = far reduced chances of random internal EMI issues. It's a pain trying to troubleshoot these things.

dervu wrote: ↑

29 May 2020, 12:07

I want to share one thing that is very close to problems you guys have here.
For many years my register in CS was bad, desync problems. I was after every possible tweak you can find.
I think that if you are not sending/receiving enough proper data to server, it might act as you are behind game state.

After many tweaks, the most unbelievable thing. Unshielded ethernet cable being close to AC/DC laptop adapter was the final culprit.
Now ethernet cable is far away for this AC/DC adapter and going perpendicularly against any power cables from power bar.
Tested through couple of days. Game was never as consistent as it is now.
For evidence, I checked retransmits - it points to TCP packets, but if TCP packets get lost, UDP can too, and you won't know it. I don't know why CS didn't pick up any loss, maybe it is impossible to track is such detail, or maybe data was there, but broken? That's why TCP is retransmitting, and UDP sending wrong data? I don't know, but difference is there.

Across all servers in all games I can feel difference. For CSGO difference is like:

BEFORE: Peeking and being shot without ability to react, not being able to hold weirdest angle, spray not connecting, one taps were my best bet
AFTER: Peeking feels right, more time to react. If enemy peeks me and I don't expect it, I am at least able to flick and almost fire, holding weird angles feels normal, spray connects with most if not all bullets, game overall feels not so fast, player models look like they are peeking smoother than before.

Could you record the difference with before and after?

You mean game footage or some kind of stats?
I was checking retransmits by netstat -s in ubuntu/windows. It is literally 0 at browsing, only a handful of them appear while doing something more demanding like watching videos, before there was a lot of them during normal browsing.

If you want game footage I can try to record it, but I am not sure how can I manage to make repeatable runs, you know, different enemies every time and don't have any high fps camera or 240fps smartphone, I could do OBS recording.
For now I have my ethernet cable fitted where I want it and not moving it for a while. In coming weeks I will move my setup to another desk and I can try to recreate and record it then.

dervu wrote: ↑

29 May 2020, 17:30

You mean game footage or some kind of stats?
I was checking retransmits by netstat -s in ubuntu/windows. It is literally 0 at browsing, only a handful of them appear while doing something more demanding like watching videos, before there was a lot of them during normal browsing.

If you want game footage I can try to record it, but I am not sure how can I manage to make repeatable runs, you know, different enemies every time and don't have any high fps camera or 240fps smartphone, I could do OBS recording.
For now I have my ethernet cable fitted where I want it and not moving it for a while. In coming weeks I will move my setup to another desk and I can try to recreate and record it then.

Gameplay, because I don't believe that simple laptop adapter could interrupt signal in ethernet cable. OTP is very resistant for magnetic disturbances and I have doubts if anything less than 100 Amps flowing nearby could interrupt it.

Maybe it is not signal in cable itself being affected, but interference travelling through cable to PC? After moving cable completely away from power bar it feels even better. Singleplayer games feel different too, together with mouse feel. Like my input was less erratic, but more stable. Morning, noon, afternoon, night, it feels same.

Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑

29 May 2020, 12:13

P.S. Generally; when setting up a new rig -- ∞

Chief, maybe you have some photos of your setup or setups that you consider that are following your thoughts you expressed in above comment? I would be very interested too see those.

Or maybe the other members participating in this thread could also post their setups so others could give their opinions and hopefully get better at some aspect that until now they thought it was fine to have it that way. I think it would be beneficial to everyone, to have a base we could look at, as a picture helps a lot in this context.

PS: My English is not perfect, but hopefully you can understand what i'm trying to say here.