Asus VG279qm/VG259QM vs MSI MAG251RX. in depth comparison of the best IPS 240hz(i've tried them all,Amazon BAN incoming)

[jnashville]

ELMB benefits depends on the game.

For example, it seems to benefit Rocket League players more than CS:GO players.

CS:GO players esports usually don't use strobing, but blur reduction can help many crosshairsless games that have lots of camoflaged scrolling/panning/turning that you need to identify details in during fast motion....like a hard-to-see textured ball in Rocket League.....or high speed low altitude helicoptor flybys in Battlefield games (enemies scrolling fast below you -- i.e. Battlefield 3 style). But it's a personal preference.

ELMB-SYNC has quality limitations, but it's not useless. Has a "Right Tool For Right Job" angle.
If you do use ELMB, then for your games that can run at >240fps -- then for lowest lag ELMB, use capped ELMB-SYNC for games that will run at fps=Hz. Basically treat capped ELMB-SYNC as a low-lag VSYNC ON alternative for steady-max-framerate games, as a method of fps=Hz that is lower latency than VSYNC ON. For the same reason why G-SYNC recommends capping 3fps below to avoid latency. Basically it would look like fixed-Hz VSYNC ON except without the VSYNC ON latency. And you get the silky smooth strobed motion without the strobe-amplified microstuttering. As long as you keep framerates maxed out, you avoid the weird crosstalk-increase effects reported at lower frame rates. Use of a slightly lower Hz (e.g. 240Hz instead of 280Hz) helps somewhat, and a 280Hz panel has some heartzroom to slightly reduce strobe crosstalk at 240Hz (with a ~235fps cap for ELMB-SYNC + VSYNC ON).

For CS:GO, or any game that generates framerates massively beyond refresh rate, then VSYNC OFF still tends to be king in esports, but it's not the only game ever invented, and other sync technologies sometimes gives competitive advantages in different games. PUBG benefits more from G-SYNC than CS:GO does, for example.

Hi chief, thanks for your input.

So bottom line as I am using the vg259qm to play csgo, what is the best optimal settings to use?

1) 280hz with elmb on,
2)280hz with elmb off, overdrive 80
3)240hz with elmb on
4)240hz with elmb off, overdrive 80

[Chief Blur Buster]

For CS:GO, most people are using ELMB OFF.

However, there are reasons some prefer ELMB ON. In the professional spheres, it is less often used with CS:GO than other games.

240Hz vs 280Hz is a personal preference. 280Hz is a little bit lower lag, but 240Hz is a little bit clearer (ELMB OFF).

[jnashville]

Thanks for the response.

So 280hz has lower lag den that will be the choice over motion blur because at high frame rates esp in csgo, it's not noticeable for motion blur anyway

[whiskiz]

oh my...so did i made a bad decision by selling my alienware 2518h?

Yes. No IPS currently can compete with TN no matter how you look at it. And Alienware 2518h has quite decent colors and viewing angles compared to other TNs. Anyway maybe you should wait for Samsung Odyssey QLED gaming monitors which won't have any cons of IPS and TNs.

You mean the monitor that's apparently 49Inch?

I have the PG348Q 34inch and it's too big, god help me playing on a 49Inch unless i'm half the house away.

Both are Ultrawide.

[forii]

@RLCScontender

Can you upload the motion blur test at ufo of your MSI optix MAG251rx?
I mean this: https://www.testufo.com/ghosting

I think everyone would apprecciate that, esspecialy its in depth comparison of bests ips 240hz right now.

Here is mine, the motion blur/clarity tests of ASus VG259QM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLjBVT5 ... e=youtu.be

If you can do the ghosting test of the VG27QM that would be great

I also ordered at VG279QM, just to see if the 27 inch version has better motion clarity, I will upload that if someone will want in 2-3 days, when I get the monitor.

If the Msi will have better motion clarity I will definitly wait for that one, because its not in Poland yet. And I can't order it.

[RLCSContender*]

@RLCScontender

Can you upload the motion blur test at ufo of your MSI optix MAG251rx?
I mean this: https://www.testufo.com/ghosting

I think everyone would apprecciate that, esspecialy its in depth comparison of bests ips 240hz right now.

Here is mine, the motion blur/clarity tests of ASus VG259QM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLjBVT5 ... e=youtu.be

If you can do the ghosting test of the VG27QM that would be great

I also ordered at VG279QM, just to see if the 27 inch version has better motion clarity, I will upload that if someone will want in 2-3 days, when I get the monitor.

If the Msi will have better motion clarity I will definitly wait for that one, because its not in Poland yet. And I can't order it.

lol i did an oscilloscope test and the MSI's g2g average is wayy faster than the 280hz asus. 3.1 g2g average vs 3.8 g2g average. The only thing the asus has over the MSI is MPRT thanks to elmb sync. but that only is factored in at high framerates, but the tradeoff is crosstalk and pixel smearing. TBH, i put it as a "tie" but in reality, the MSI is better in almost every way except it's ugly stand and its slightly more aggressive overshoot.

not going to dignify doing these "Ghosting tests" comparisons knowing that all you do is cherry pick and confirm your bias(confirmation bias) to fit your narrative. Yo'uve done that on multiple occasions on that previous thread and proceeded to be condescending and disrespectful

Go to amazon, buy yourself an oscilloscope, then order the MSI. compare it to your asus, and see who really has faster pixel response times.

TN is TN, and their purpose is speed and nothing else. If you take away a TN's advantage over IPS and mitigate it in levels where it's not even remotely visible at high framerates, then it's obious this is the beginning of the end for TN technology.

if u are unhappy with your asus. Get the 25 inch alienware or the MSI, or stick to TN. Nobody here is trying to convince you. All i'm doign is showing information based off of MY findings of ordering every 240hz IPS monitor and comparing them among each other.

[jnashville]

thanks RLScontender for the intense hardwork on checking all this technical details etc.

i was a competitive player in the counterstrike scene from the year 2000 to year 2008. Played other competitive fps titles in tournaments as well. Do won tournaments as well in the past for other FPS games.

Now i am playing cs go casually online, not casual games but 5 v 5 matches etc.

i have used the following monitors,

asus vg248qe 144hz TN Panel
Benq xl2430T 144hz TN Panel
Acer Predator XB1 165hz IPS Panel
Benq XL2546 240hz TN Panel with Dyac
Prism X340 100hz Ultrawide VA Panel
MSI MAG24C 144hz VA Panel
Alienware AW2518H 240hz TN Panel
and now,

the Asus VG259QM 280hz IPS Panel

Though i don't have the equipment to test out minute details like how you are doing, i just based on my gameplay and feel. Basically as a gamer, not as a technical person on the specifications in detail. Playing on CSGO with those monitors.

The only downsides that i encounter while playing csgo,

BenQ XL2546 in DYAC mode (benq strobing mode) on csgo seems to have input lag, my AWP shots sometimes dont register. removing DYAC, i play better.

Prism x340 100hz VA Panel...too choppy. sold away within a month

The other TN 144hz panels, nothing to shout about but they do their job well.
Best TN panel in my experience is the Alienware AW2518H without Gsync. Image. motion clarity in game are crisp. response times also seems very good. colors as well

Changed to Asus VG259QM 280hz,

280hs on ELMB and without, in game both modes seems okay. I dont feel the input lag. Maybe whatever you mentioned is up to the tiniest details but when u are in game, it really play out fine. Well i am not a technical person, just stating my game experiences with the monitor. 280hz with ELMB on test ufo looks really nice with the crisp ufo which means moving objects look sharp and clear. but with ELMB on and off in CSGO, i honestly tell you wont know a difference if u are hardcore csgo player. because u willl be more focus on killing then even bother to see the pixels on the character or the blurness or whatever you call it. So ELMB or not in game, looks and feel the same.

[RLCSContender*]

can't really form an opinion on those TN monitors since i only had 1 in my entire life and it came with a dead pixel.

the general meta for Esports competitive players is adaptive sync off and maximizing the framerate. They do this because they know that over 240hz framerate, it's really difficult to see tearing to the point where you wont' even notice it. Not to mention, that extra frame rate with mneans lower input lag for that person.

me personally, i cap the game's framerate at 250 and turn off any form of adaptive sync. Input lag is in my opinion th 2nd most important variables.

Here's my opinion about the asus elmb-sync. I think at those ridiculously high framerates, i really don't think elmb-sync is needed and that i feel as if it's redundant unless youa re going against a player who is using a TN. . If youa re unable to notice a difference, leave it off because at 240hz framerate refreshing at 240hz, motion clarity is already very sharp. Adding more sharpness to that in my opinion is redundant and counter productive. however, if you don't take advantage of the asus' main perks, then it's basically just a VERy slow Tn with good viewing angles. I say this because even though you are seeing buttery smooth motion clarity, what if the other opponent has a supre fast TN, then basically you will lose to him every time presuming u are similar skilled than him.

but if you want to stand toe to toe with TN, 280hz with ELMB-SYNC on in my opinion is the only way to stand up to them. Whjy stick to 240hz on the asus, that is equivalent to uising a slow TN. ELMB-SYNC is well implemented at higher framerates FYI. Keep in mind, this is the presumption that you are equal/similar in skill as your opponent.

[jnashville]

i think 280hz without elmb sync will have lower input lag than 280hz with elmb sync. or am i wrong

[forii]

@RLCScontender

Can you upload the motion blur test at ufo of your MSI optix MAG251rx?
I mean this: https://www.testufo.com/ghosting

I think everyone would apprecciate that, esspecialy its in depth comparison of bests ips 240hz right now.

Here is mine, the motion blur/clarity tests of ASus VG259QM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLjBVT5 ... e=youtu.be

If you can do the ghosting test of the VG27QM that would be great

I also ordered at VG279QM, just to see if the 27 inch version has better motion clarity, I will upload that if someone will want in 2-3 days, when I get the monitor.

If the Msi will have better motion clarity I will definitly wait for that one, because its not in Poland yet. And I can't order it.

lol i did an oscilloscope test and the MSI's g2g average is wayy faster than the 280hz asus. 3.1 g2g average vs 3.8 g2g average. The only thing the asus has over the MSI is MPRT thanks to elmb sync. but that only is factored in at high framerates, but the tradeoff is crosstalk and pixel smearing. TBH, i put it as a "tie" but in reality, the MSI is better in almost every way except it's ugly stand and its slightly more aggressive overshoot.

not going to dignify doing these "Ghosting tests" comparisons knowing that all you do is cherry pick and confirm your bias(confirmation bias) to fit your narrative. Yo'uve done that on multiple occasions on that previous thread and proceeded to be condescending and disrespectful

Go to amazon, buy yourself an oscilloscope, then order the MSI. compare it to your asus, and see who really has faster pixel response times.

TN is TN, and their purpose is speed and nothing else. If you take away a TN's advantage over IPS and mitigate it in levels where it's not even remotely visible at high framerates, then it's obious this is the beginning of the end for TN technology.

if u are unhappy with your asus. Get the 25 inch alienware or the MSI, or stick to TN. Nobody here is trying to convince you. All i'm doign is showing information based off of MY findings of ordering every 240hz IPS monitor and comparing them among each other.

What a dissrespect, I dont know why you think im aggressive, I asked nicely just to record the ghosting test of MSI, like you did before with your Viewsonic, etc.
You don't have this monitor anymore, or what?
Why you just can't record this 8 sec video like you actualy did, but without focus on the ufos?


For me ghosting test is all I want to know before buying athis monitor, but i just want to see if this is worth waiting for MSI, cuz I already can have the Asus, I have 9 days to return it, then I would need to wait 2 weeks for MSI - I just need to know if this is worth to wait, or not, then I don't return the asus. Im also perfectionist.

But i think alright, if you can't record simply video just to compare with mine, then fine, gonna buy it anyway, hope it will be worth, otherwise It will be your fualt, because you could make it simplier for me, just by uploading the video. Now I will need to wait 2 weeks for MSI and if this will be crap with motion clarity, then I will need to buy again the asus, and if this will be worse than mine (without any ips glow or pixel) then I will be mad. THanks.