05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

[RLCSContender*]

6/17/2020, the FINAL UFO ghosting test for the acer predator xb273 x. This time, i kept the saturation in check and put it at a better brightness level.

This is VARIABLE overdrive @240hz

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240hz g-sync "normal" OD


Coming up ULMB at 144hz, 120hz, and 100hz to wrap up my test on this monitor.

[bleach]

Sounds good! which size have you got this time?

25 incher, its flawless

[RLCSContender*]

I'm looking at this guy's reddit thread and it seems like the samsung odyssey g7 has decent UFO tests. Then again, i find that thread extremely suspicious. IIt seems like there's something he's hiding, or he's omitting some sort of critical information.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comme ... y_g7_32in/

Motion blur reduction ON(240hz)

240hz at its fastest Overdrive setting

Freesync enabled

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me personally, i'm not fooled. At the end of the day,

1. it's still VA (inaccurate colors, bad viewing angles although the 1000r curve mitigate it(but not vertically)
2. no VA HAS ever broken 6ms response time(unless there's massive overshoot). This monitor would need 4.17ms pixel response times to have a true 240hz experience
3. speaking of true 240hz experience, i cannot name ONE game that can reach 240FPS @1440p(outside of low end games or esports titles). But seriously, why would anyone spend nearly a thousand dollars to play low end/low graphically demanding games or esports titles on this monitor? There are better options with lower input lag with better response times. I have the rtx 2070 and i can barely get 80 FPS on a AAA 1440p title. what makes anyone think they can run a ps5 calibur AAA game to run at 240hz at 1440p? i don't think the 2080ti is fast enough, hell i don't think the 3080ti is fast enough to get 1440p near 240hz FPS(since it will be a massive bottleneck).
4. Speaking of input lag, if you do intend to play esports/low graphically demanding titles at 240hz, VA is notorious for having very bad input lag and slow response times, like i said, there are better options

to anyone reading my thread. i suggest you guys wait for reviews to come out. lets see if the

1. curve
2. HDR600
3. the alleged 1ms pixel response time claim
4. 95% DCI P3, 125% srgb
5. good contrast ratios

will outweigh the downsides of VA panels as a whole.

My guestimation is 20ms b2b, 10ms g2g, with horrendous black level smearing and input lag that isn't even worth playiing a competitive game. Inaccurate colors that only ppl who has never owned an IPS would find acceptable.

if this were a 144hz or 165hz monitor, it would've made more sense. . I just find it extremely odd WHY they had this at 240hz native refresh rate at native 1440p. It's a dark level smearfest waiting to happen, not to mention the horrendous input lag due to VA's poor reputation.

I pre-ordered this monitor in FULL. i wish samsung proves my initial skepticism about VA wrong, that way i will enjoy the 1000r curve, hdr600, and excellent contrast ratios. Then again, if it's too good to be true, it probably is. I'm not doubting VA as having those features, but are those features ENOUGh to outweigh the input lag, slow response times, inaccurate colors, black level smearing, and LACK of any modern games that can reach 240hz at 1440p. I cannot wait to get my hands on this monitor.I do wish samsung proves me wrong. This seems like a good quality monitor just by thte specs alone. It's one of them monitors where someone who has NO knowledge of monitors will think is a "must buy"

[Seira]

I read somewhere that the G7/G9 doesn't have a port able to display 1440p at 240Hz. Can't confirm, but if it's true it would be 1080@240 and 1440p at something like 144.

[speancer]

@RLCScontender, would you say that the Acer Predator XB273 X is the best IPS monitor for competitive play right now? This monitor's part number is UM.HX3AA.X02, correct? Acer Predator website is a little messy, if you ask me... I cannot find this monitor anywhere in my country as well. The closest one available in Poland is the Acer Predator XB273GX (UM.HX3EE.X07), but it looks like it's a different model entirely.

I've recently tested ASUS TUF VG279QM, it's pretty cool for competitive FPS, although I've had GTX 980Ti almost since release now, and it does not support Adaptive-Sync, so I need a monitor with native G-SYNC module to be able to enjoy G-SYNC in AAA games. Would you say XB273 X is better and I should rather go for it instead of VG279QM? Would that be the fastest IPS display I can get right now?

I've sent a message to Polish Acer Predator section asking about a release date for XB273 X in my country. This monitor is pretty new on the market, right?

[Fyter92]

I'm looking at this guy's reddit thread and it seems like the samsung odyssey g7 has decent UFO tests. Then again, i find that thread extremely suspicious. IIt seems like there's something he's hiding, or he's omitting some sort of critical information.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comme ... y_g7_32in/

Motion blur reduction ON(240hz)

240hz at its fastest Overdrive setting

Freesync enabled

phpBB [video]

me personally, i'm not fooled. At the end of the day,

1. it's still VA (inaccurate colors, bad viewing angles although the 1000r curve mitigate it(but not vertically)
2. no VA HAS ever broken 6ms response time(unless there's massive overshoot). This monitor would need 4.17ms pixel response times to have a true 240hz experience
3. speaking of true 240hz experience, i cannot name ONE game that can reach 240FPS @1440p(outside of low end games or esports titles). But seriously, why would anyone spend nearly a thousand dollars to play low end/low graphically demanding games or esports titles on this monitor? There are better options with lower input lag with better response times. I have the rtx 2070 and i can barely get 80 FPS on a AAA 1440p title. what makes anyone think they can run a ps5 calibur AAA game to run at 240hz at 1440p? i don't think the 2080ti is fast enough, hell i don't think the 3080ti is fast enough to get 1440p near 240hz FPS(since it will be a massive bottleneck).
4. Speaking of input lag, if you do intend to play esports/low graphically demanding titles at 240hz, VA is notorious for having very bad input lag and slow response times, like i said, there are better options

to anyone reading my thread. i suggest you guys wait for reviews to come out. lets see if the

1. curve
2. HDR600
3. the alleged 1ms pixel response time claim
4. 95% DCI P3, 125% srgb
5. good contrast ratios

will outweigh the downsides of VA panels as a whole.

My guestimation is 20ms b2b, 10ms g2g, with horrendous black level smearing and input lag that isn't even worth playiing a competitive game. Inaccurate colors that only ppl who has never owned an IPS would find acceptable.

if this were a 144hz or 165hz monitor, it would've made more sense. . I just find it extremely odd WHY they had this at 240hz native refresh rate at native 1440p. It's a dark level smearfest waiting to happen, not to mention the horrendous input lag due to VA's poor reputation.

I pre-ordered this monitor in FULL. i wish samsung proves my initial skepticism about VA wrong, that way i will enjoy the 1000r curve, hdr600, and excellent contrast ratios. Then again, if it's too good to be true, it probably is. I'm not doubting VA as having those features, but are those features ENOUGh to outweigh the input lag, slow response times, inaccurate colors, black level smearing, and LACK of any modern games that can reach 240hz at 1440p. I cannot wait to get my hands on this monitor.I do wish samsung proves me wrong. This seems like a good quality monitor just by thte specs alone. It's one of them monitors where someone who has NO knowledge of monitors will think is a "must buy"

I am currently gaming on Eizo CS2420 ( I am professional photographer), if you were to guess what is the total latency like (response time + input lag) on this monitor? I am sure gaming monitors are significantly better. I am trying to figure out how much of a disadvantage I am at for playing warzone online with this monitor. Thinking about getting a AOC 24G2/VG249/VG259/MAG251RX. I have a 5820K @ 4.6 GHz and will be getting RX 6700/XT / RTX 3070. I may persue a 1440p 144hz/240hz but their response times are not good atm, are there any good ones coming this year possibly? IPS and low latency is a must, I feel 1080P is a bit old now 1440P is the new sweet spot however the lack of good panels at decent prices is my main cause of concern. Especially any cpu right now will bottleneck a significant number of games at 1080p using next gen graphics cards.

[Sacraficemygoat]

Hey just wondering if you guys would recommend the Asus VG259QM over the AW2521HF?

I just got the VG259QM in today and so far it seems pretty solid but the AW2521HF might be arriving tomorrow and I'd rather not have to open it if it's not a better option.

Thoughts? I'm far from an expert at these things.

[jnashville]

i would say if your frames can hit 280 or higher most of the time, the vg259qm will be the best monitor.

[speancer]

i would say if your frames can hit 280 or higher most of the time, the vg259qm will be the best monitor.

Well, my frame rates in CS:GO vary between 200-450~ FPS, average frame rate is probably closer to 250... I'm pretty sure I'm not sitting at 280 fps most of the time. My PC is already fairly old, although still quite capable

[RLCSContender*]

speancer, in actual gameplay, what is the average FPS?

those fluctuations in framerate is insane, i wonder how you tolerate all of that microstuttering.

jnashville is correct. Even if the refresh rate was at 260hz instead of 280hz, the Asus VG279qm/vg259qm will still have an advantage.

Think about it this way. If you are sniping, yet you are late by 40 frames, do you think you will get that perfect shot? 40 frames may not sound a lot but in faster games, it's A LOT. That is how much of an advantage 280hz has over 240hz.

These small differences in refresh rate may not be a gamechanger to most people, but say if you are the top 15% player ina particular game extra 40 frames to work with will give a HUGE advantage.(presuming of course your skillset is similar or equal to)

when 280hz is a major advantage over 240hz

1. 50/50 situations. if two saw each other at the same time(Frist person shooters) or in rocket league, there's a 50/50 situation. The player with a 40hz frame advantage WILL get priority This happens all the time in rocket league because we are put in so many 50/50 situations that the person whois a few frames FASTER will hold priorit. You may think you aren't playiing any different but you are through the EYES of your opponent.

2. WHen moving your camera. not only do you get less motion blur(higher MPRT), but it's EASIER to react in a subconscious way when moving your camera because you are able to see MORE frames per second in the long run. If you do the math per minute, you would've experienced almost 80,000 MORE frames than the 240hz competition

3. extra frames gives you a reaction time advantage.You may think you are reacting the same way, playing the same,e tc. But you really aren't because relative to other people, you ARE going faster than they are since they are capped at 240hz. With that being said, if you combine the 50/50 advantage on TOP of the "moving your camera" advantage, sub consciously, even though you may THINK you are seeing no differences in speed of your gameplay, the OTHER people who has a 240hz or less monitor will perceive that you are reacting faster than they are.

4. lower input lag, better motion clarity, etc. Lg2g pixel response times start to become redundant at super high refresh rates since MPRT or less symmetrical blur occur. Even the (what it looks like) the samsung odyssey 10ms g2g and 20ms black to black, just by looking at the samsung odyssey UFO test thanks to MPRT at 240hz, is still pretty clear.

240hz just doesn't apply to the common dogma that you guys may have heard when it comes to response times. What may be a HUGe advantage at the adaptive sync ranges of 165hz and below, it's NOT that much of an advantage at 240hz and above.
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