All games have massive Frame Rate Judder.

[Glide]

You guys seem to be ignoring my comparison videos... where I post someone running a game with same FPS/settings but getting a 10x smoother experience, still think this is normal? I don't...

You're comparing against videos which aren't displaying stats, and where we have no idea of the specs/settings used. It's meaningless.
You're focusing on stuff that doesn't matter and don't seem to be trying to fix the problem. I'm still waiting for you to re-run that section of BF4 running at minimum settings with V-Sync on and the proper Afterburner stats being displayed. (per-core CPU usage and 100ms polling)

A FRAPS benchmark of the same location would probably be useful too, since it is better for measuring frametimes.

[Sparky]

You guys seem to be ignoring my comparison videos... where I post someone running a game with same FPS/settings but getting a 10x smoother experience, still think this is normal?

In every video where you actually have the same framerate, capture rate, and onscreen motion, there's been just as much judder in their videos as yours.

Fraps doesn't have an option for VSYNC so I know hes not using it.

What the hell are you talking about? Vsync is an in game option that can also be forced through drivers/third party tools. The point is that it limits framerate to your refresh rate(60hz). If you're recording video at 30 or 60fps with framerate locked at 60fps via v-sync or a precise framerate cap, you're not going to get judder, because you have the same animation interval between each captured frame.

Here's exactly what you need to do to get judder to stop: Make framerate exactly equal to refresh rate, a multiple of refresh rate, or a factor of refresh rate.

That's it. Please do that before insisting there's some other reason your system has judder. It doesn't matter HOW you do that, you can use vsync, a framerate cap, or a variable refresh monitor.

[Jbinn]

You guys seem to be ignoring my comparison videos... where I post someone running a game with same FPS/settings but getting a 10x smoother experience, still think this is normal? I don't...

You're comparing against videos which aren't displaying stats, and where we have no idea of the specs/settings used. It's meaningless.
You're focusing on stuff that doesn't matter and don't seem to be trying to fix the problem. I'm still waiting for you to re-run that section of BF4 running at minimum settings with V-Sync on and the proper Afterburner stats being displayed. (per-core CPU usage and 100ms polling)

A FRAPS benchmark of the same location would probably be useful too, since it is better for measuring frametimes.

What will running BF4 again with VSYNC accomplish? I already told you VSYNC fixes the issue... If I run that same scenario with VSYNC it will be smooth as butter, but the problem is that it has bad input lag.

[Jbinn]

You guys seem to be ignoring my comparison videos... where I post someone running a game with same FPS/settings but getting a 10x smoother experience, still think this is normal?

In every video where you actually have the same framerate, capture rate, and onscreen motion, there's been just as much judder in their videos as yours.

Fraps doesn't have an option for VSYNC so I know hes not using it.

What the hell are you talking about? Vsync is an in game option that can also be forced through drivers/third party tools. The point is that it limits framerate to your refresh rate(60hz). If you're recording video at 30 or 60fps with framerate locked at 60fps via v-sync or a precise framerate cap, you're not going to get judder, because you have the same animation interval between each captured frame.

Here's exactly what you need to do to get judder to stop: Make framerate exactly equal to refresh rate, a multiple of refresh rate, or a factor of refresh rate.

That's it. Please do that before insisting there's some other reason your system has judder. It doesn't matter HOW you do that, you can use vsync, a framerate cap, or a variable refresh monitor.

I told you I know why it happens I know its related to the refresh rate I'm just wondering why mine is so much worse than everyone elses. Like I said with the same exact stats same game same options my buddies PC doesn't have this stutter issue with VSYNC disabled. Capping the framerate is only a bandaid its a hit or miss and it usually causes insanely bad tearing. VSYNC and or running windowed with a 60fps cap is the only way to fix it, but running windowed with a cap induces lag every 5 seconds.

I know why it happens and I guess in a sense its normal but I feel like my stutter is 100x worse than everyone elses... Everyones gameplay looks clean as hell, RUST doesnt have a VSYNC option and it forces windowed mode, I didnt mean FRAPS doesnt have VSYNc I meant to say RUST. Rust is forced windowed with no VSYNC thats how the game runs so when I watch youtube videos of people running it flawless it makes no sense why mine stutters so bad. I went to my buddies house and Rust ran smooth on his rig. It doesn't make sense...

[Sparky]

but running windowed with a cap induces lag every 5 seconds.

Great, that means you need to decrease or increase the framerate cap by 0.2fps. (cap at 59.8 or 60.2) depending on whether you're dropping frames or missing frames deadlines. If lag increases sharply then creeps slowly down, increase the cap, if lag decreases sharply then creeps slowly up, decrease the cap. If it's not exactly 5 seconds, divide 1 by the number of seconds to see what you need to add/subtract to/from the cap.

[Jbinn]

So I just went over to my buddies I turned 144hz off and gsync and his shit is smooth as butter I'm 100% sure my problem isn't normal now. So let's get to the bottom of this what should I do next?

You guys can argue with me all you want the videos obviously aren't showing the issue well enough. If I in person compare 3 different systems and 2 are running smoother than mine on the same settings fps etc then theirs obviously a problem. So Fraps benchmark should identify my issue? He has a better system and monitor but I turned all the extra stuff off and ran his at the same frame rate and his was much smoother mine has terrible stutter... something is seriously wrong

If you guys refuse to believe me that's fine but I'm here to fix this issue. So let's atleast run some benchmarks and tests to figure it out whay could cause stutter? Whay can I test what are some good testing programs?

[lexlazootin]

Just too see if it fixes your issue.

make sure you update AMD and Intel drivers, disable all startups in taskmanager and non-Microsoft services in msconfig and reboot.

[Jbinn]

Just too see if it fixes your issue.

make sure you update AMD and Intel drivers, disable all startups in taskmanager and non-Microsoft services in msconfig and reboot.

Fresh format and up to date drivers did nothing... :-/ I know screen tearing and judder is part of variable refresh rate, but I know for a fact mine is bad... I went and experimented with my buddys build today to see if it was all in my head and its 1000x cleaner and smoother with all the same settings/games and he was only getting the same fps as me because we set his PC to 1440p vs mine @ 1080p. I know its not in my head now and I know its a legit issue, so I really need to fix it. I turned 144hz off and GSYNC off on his monitor, ran 1440p so he would get the same performance as me ran the same games and capped and didnt cap fps and in everyway shape and form his PC was much smoother. Theres no way this is normal and I knew it from the start. I need to do some tests to figure out what component is causing it, can anyone help? I really dont want to RMA random parts until it's fixed I'd rather pinpoint the problem. At this point it could be anything but I'm leaning towards the motherboard or GPU.

[Sparky]

If you guys refuse to believe me that's fine but I'm here to fix this issue.

You said CS:GO had smooth animation. If that's true there's nothing wrong with your hardware. If that isn't true, take a photo of your monitor with this running: http://www.testufo.com/#test=frameskipping It needs to be a long exposure, so if you can't control exposure take the photo in a dark room.

So let's atleast run some benchmarks and tests to figure it out whay could cause stutter? Whay can I test what are some good testing programs?

I've told you, FRAPS or Presentmon are a bare minimum, figure it out. Compare a game that has the stutter problem to one that doesn't.

Better would be a closed loop input lag tester, like the ones in this thread: http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1381

[Glide]

So I just went over to my buddies I turned 144hz off and gsync and his shit is smooth as butter I'm 100% sure my problem isn't normal now. So let's get to the bottom of this what should I do next?

1. You're using a 60Hz monitor, not a 144Hz monitor. You can't expect the same results.
2. AMD sucks at frame presentation and has stuttering issues in a lot of games.
3. If you're going to run without V-Sync buy a FreeSync monitor. (if you're sticking with AMD) Higher refresh rates can help, but variable refresh rate is an actual fix for that type of stuttering.

If you guys refuse to believe me that's fine but I'm here to fix this issue.

No-one here doesn't believe that it's stuttering for you.
What we disagree with is your assessment of the situation.
For the settings you're using (pushing the GPU too hard) nothing seems to be out of the ordinary.