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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by kofman13 » 27 May 2020, 14:23

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Just returned the MSI MAG251rx just now. It's a wide gamut monitor with no sRGB which is a major dealbreaker. i measured at 111% sRGB. The stand is pretty bad and clunky. If your monitor falls down, it will crack easily. not to mention the overly tacky gamer aesthetics and "esports"

The only redeeming factor is the response time and ridiculously low input lag This is by far the fastest IPS monitor i've ever tested. (it's way faster than my viewsonic xg270qg even with its variable overdrive). I used two sources to measure response time(Eizo and this website). Average g2g was a whopping 3.1ms(that is better than most high end TN monitors). This was measured at 80 overdrive at its 240hz refresh rate. Even on lower refresh rates, the g2g average never goes above 4ms. That means this is good for console gaming.

The backlight strobing is actually above average(yes, you can strobe at 240hz). I tried it and i didn't see much difference, except the screen got dimmer. I dont' see the point of using backlight strobing if your FPS is running above 200 on this monitor because it's already buttery smooth without it. i Truly belileve this is the fastest 240hz IPS monitor right now. Gaming aside, everything else is atrocious

Poor/clunky stand and bad ergonomics.
No sRGB mode to clamp the oversaturation. Everything will be washed out
HDR is crap, dont' even turn it on. It has about 1100:1 contrast ratio, but there will be a lot of input lag.
Monitor aesthetics is not visually pleasing whatsoever(especially with its tacky esports logo and color)

in terms of perfomance, this monitor delivers. However, i'm willing to trade a slightly less response time for srgb mode, better stand, etc because at this low of a response time, it's really imperceptible (especially among other 240hz monitors).

I don't recommend this monitor even as a side monitor for gaming because everything else outside of gaming is pretty bad. There are other monitors(it will probably be slower than the msi mag251rx but with better aesthetics, has sRGB mode, and better ergonomics, etc) because a slightly faster response time from 3.1 to 3.6 is negligible). . In general though, if i was NOT comparing this monitor relative to other high end 240hz monitors, this is a phenomenal. Then again, the 240hz 1080p market for IPS panels is starting to get competitive(and perhaps oversaturated).

Next up is the VG279qm. I purchased it through amazon and it's coming in a couple of days. Can't wait to try it out
is it a good monitor if i only use it for gaming? i have a good IPS on the side already for content creation. i been looking at this MAG251 or upcoming ZOWIE XL2546S. i dont care about colors

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by RLCSContender* » 27 May 2020, 15:54

From what i saw based on inferences of other review websites, BenQ TNs are generally around 2.5ms g2g(*the fastest 240hz Tn is 2.1ms g2g omen x25f/nitro xv272). So the g2g averages are on the upper end of the fastest TN.

the msi mag251rx is 3ms so the benq is definitely faster. But i dont' think that's a trade off of inaccurate colors, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, etc. Albeit the MSi has a mediocre contrast ratio of 1200:1, but that's better than TN level contrast ratios of 600:1-400:1

here's my opinion. If you play first person shooters, the benq has a multitude of options to enhance your FPS performance. And if you really really really don't care about colors, then the BenQ should be a no brainer.

Me personally, i will pick the MSI MAG251rx over the benq because the 0.5 g2g average advantage of the TN to me isn't noticeable at all. But the contrast ratios, accurate colors, good viewing angles, and vibrant images ARE noticeable on the MSI. Also, the MSI gaming app adds plenty of FPS options(crosshairs included and mouse sensitivity and single button macros) and 1 single button macro will change the brightness quickly without touching your monitor.

i've never owned a benq monitor but from what i've seen on their ads, they really do cater to FPS gamers. Exmaple. they have eye tracking, movement indicators, and very good crosshairs for aiming and all of that above. In my opinion, those monitor gimmicks aren't good enough to outweigh the color shift, distortion, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, inaccurate colors, etc. Not to mention BENQs are very expensive whereas the MSI is only $360 USD

it's totally up to you if you. You have to weigh out ALL of these things to make that tough expensive decision.

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by Max_hz » 27 May 2020, 17:18

I bought the VG259QM for €379 (€30 cashback from ASUS so at the end €350), was looking for the MAG251RX but in my country it's €500 I like the MSI gaming app but €150 more is to much.
Had the Omen X 25f before but I like the ASUS more, better colors, stand and most important no artifacts.
TN was always my favorite but not anymore indeed the new IPS panels have earned there place in competitive gaming.
Also tried the VG259Q (144hz version) before liked it also but isn't fast enough for competitive gameplay.

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 27 May 2020, 17:22

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TN was always my favorite but not anymore indeed the new IPS panels have earned there place in competitive gaming.
Indeed!

More review websites and esports sites needs to test more 240Hz 1ms IPS panels. They're now competing well with TN.

The chasm between IPS and TN has massively narrowed and the performance overlaps.
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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by kofman13 » 27 May 2020, 18:45

RLCScontender wrote:
27 May 2020, 15:54
From what i saw based on inferences of other review websites, BenQ TNs are generally around 2.5ms g2g(*the fastest 240hz Tn is 2.1ms g2g omen x25f/nitro xv272). So the g2g averages are on the upper end of the fastest TN.

the msi mag251rx is 3ms so the benq is definitely faster. But i dont' think that's a trade off of inaccurate colors, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, etc. Albeit the MSi has a mediocre contrast ratio of 1200:1, but that's better than TN level contrast ratios of 600:1-400:1

here's my opinion. If you play first person shooters, the benq has a multitude of options to enhance your FPS performance. And if you really really really don't care about colors, then the BenQ should be a no brainer.

Me personally, i will pick the MSI MAG251rx over the benq because the 0.5 g2g average advantage of the TN to me isn't noticeable at all. But the contrast ratios, accurate colors, good viewing angles, and vibrant images ARE noticeable on the MSI. Also, the MSI gaming app adds plenty of FPS options(crosshairs included and mouse sensitivity and single button macros) and 1 single button macro will change the brightness quickly without touching your monitor.

i've never owned a benq monitor but from what i've seen on their ads, they really do cater to FPS gamers. Exmaple. they have eye tracking, movement indicators, and very good crosshairs for aiming and all of that above. In my opinion, those monitor gimmicks aren't good enough to outweigh the color shift, distortion, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, inaccurate colors, etc. Not to mention BENQs are very expensive whereas the MSI is only $360 USD

it's totally up to you if you. You have to weigh out ALL of these things to make that tough expensive decision.
I am also kind of tempted by the MAG251RX after i saw this...
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I have been researching examples of Zowie's DYAC versus other strobing technlogies. In this review i saw online of MSI's MAG251RX strobing vs Zowie XL2546 DYAC i was surprised to see that MSI's strobing does a pretty good job. and i cant decide what i like more. You could say the DYAC is sharper, but somehow the when comparing the top image and MSI strobing vs DYAC, the DYAC looks kind of jagged and like someone cranked sharpness and contrast way too high, and the MSI strobing is more pleasing to my eyes. And the Zowie looks like image is doubling almost while the MSI image is smoother with strober although i dont know which i would like more in person. Also on a side note, on the MSI you can actually see a green alien on a yellow background while on the Zowie, the whole thing just looks like one big green colored blob. I guess thats because the MSI is IPS. and I always say to myself i value gaming performance over eye candy... but it worries me if while gaming this kind of lack of color difference would bother me with the zowie. (green and yellow scene all looking green)
Which example do you guys like more in this pic? the MSI or the Zowie?

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by PixelDuck87 » 27 May 2020, 23:02

kofman13 wrote:
27 May 2020, 18:45
Which example do you guys like more in this pic? the MSI or the Zowie?
Dyac monitors don't drop brightness like other monitors with backlight strobing. I heard XL2746s is like 350+nits with Dyac on. That's a huge plus IMO because I personally can't play at something like 150-200nits brightness, that's way too dark for me.

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by amezibra » 28 May 2020, 07:48

PixelDuck87 wrote:
27 May 2020, 23:02
kofman13 wrote:
27 May 2020, 18:45
Which example do you guys like more in this pic? the MSI or the Zowie?
Dyac monitors don't drop brightness like other monitors with backlight strobing. I heard XL2746s is like 350+nits with Dyac on. That's a huge plus IMO because I personally can't play at something like 150-200nits brightness, that's way too dark for me.
I confirm that when dyac+ is on the brightness is the same. I even have a night profile as it is too strong when sun is down..

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by amezibra » 28 May 2020, 07:56

kofman13 wrote:
27 May 2020, 18:45
RLCScontender wrote:
27 May 2020, 15:54
From what i saw based on inferences of other review websites, BenQ TNs are generally around 2.5ms g2g(*the fastest 240hz Tn is 2.1ms g2g omen x25f/nitro xv272). So the g2g averages are on the upper end of the fastest TN.

the msi mag251rx is 3ms so the benq is definitely faster. But i dont' think that's a trade off of inaccurate colors, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, etc. Albeit the MSi has a mediocre contrast ratio of 1200:1, but that's better than TN level contrast ratios of 600:1-400:1

here's my opinion. If you play first person shooters, the benq has a multitude of options to enhance your FPS performance. And if you really really really don't care about colors, then the BenQ should be a no brainer.

Me personally, i will pick the MSI MAG251rx over the benq because the 0.5 g2g average advantage of the TN to me isn't noticeable at all. But the contrast ratios, accurate colors, good viewing angles, and vibrant images ARE noticeable on the MSI. Also, the MSI gaming app adds plenty of FPS options(crosshairs included and mouse sensitivity and single button macros) and 1 single button macro will change the brightness quickly without touching your monitor.

i've never owned a benq monitor but from what i've seen on their ads, they really do cater to FPS gamers. Exmaple. they have eye tracking, movement indicators, and very good crosshairs for aiming and all of that above. In my opinion, those monitor gimmicks aren't good enough to outweigh the color shift, distortion, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, inaccurate colors, etc. Not to mention BENQs are very expensive whereas the MSI is only $360 USD

it's totally up to you if you. You have to weigh out ALL of these things to make that tough expensive decision.
I am also kind of tempted by the MAG251RX after i saw this...
Image
I have been researching examples of Zowie's DYAC versus other strobing technlogies. In this review i saw online of MSI's MAG251RX strobing vs Zowie XL2546 DYAC i was surprised to see that MSI's strobing does a pretty good job. and i cant decide what i like more. You could say the DYAC is sharper, but somehow the when comparing the top image and MSI strobing vs DYAC, the DYAC looks kind of jagged and like someone cranked sharpness and contrast way too high, and the MSI strobing is more pleasing to my eyes. And the Zowie looks like image is doubling almost while the MSI image is smoother with strober although i dont know which i would like more in person. Also on a side note, on the MSI you can actually see a green alien on a yellow background while on the Zowie, the whole thing just looks like one big green colored blob. I guess thats because the MSI is IPS. and I always say to myself i value gaming performance over eye candy... but it worries me if while gaming this kind of lack of color difference would bother me with the zowie. (green and yellow scene all looking green)
Which example do you guys like more in this pic? the MSI or the Zowie?
my xl2746s has a clearer motion clarity with dyac on, not sure how they get thos blurry mess and compare it..

https://imgur.com/a/U4StpUh

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by kofman13 » 28 May 2020, 08:53

amezibra wrote:
28 May 2020, 07:56
kofman13 wrote:
27 May 2020, 18:45
RLCScontender wrote:
27 May 2020, 15:54
From what i saw based on inferences of other review websites, BenQ TNs are generally around 2.5ms g2g(*the fastest 240hz Tn is 2.1ms g2g omen x25f/nitro xv272). So the g2g averages are on the upper end of the fastest TN.

the msi mag251rx is 3ms so the benq is definitely faster. But i dont' think that's a trade off of inaccurate colors, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, etc. Albeit the MSi has a mediocre contrast ratio of 1200:1, but that's better than TN level contrast ratios of 600:1-400:1

here's my opinion. If you play first person shooters, the benq has a multitude of options to enhance your FPS performance. And if you really really really don't care about colors, then the BenQ should be a no brainer.

Me personally, i will pick the MSI MAG251rx over the benq because the 0.5 g2g average advantage of the TN to me isn't noticeable at all. But the contrast ratios, accurate colors, good viewing angles, and vibrant images ARE noticeable on the MSI. Also, the MSI gaming app adds plenty of FPS options(crosshairs included and mouse sensitivity and single button macros) and 1 single button macro will change the brightness quickly without touching your monitor.

i've never owned a benq monitor but from what i've seen on their ads, they really do cater to FPS gamers. Exmaple. they have eye tracking, movement indicators, and very good crosshairs for aiming and all of that above. In my opinion, those monitor gimmicks aren't good enough to outweigh the color shift, distortion, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, inaccurate colors, etc. Not to mention BENQs are very expensive whereas the MSI is only $360 USD

it's totally up to you if you. You have to weigh out ALL of these things to make that tough expensive decision.
I am also kind of tempted by the MAG251RX after i saw this...
Image
I have been researching examples of Zowie's DYAC versus other strobing technlogies. In this review i saw online of MSI's MAG251RX strobing vs Zowie XL2546 DYAC i was surprised to see that MSI's strobing does a pretty good job. and i cant decide what i like more. You could say the DYAC is sharper, but somehow the when comparing the top image and MSI strobing vs DYAC, the DYAC looks kind of jagged and like someone cranked sharpness and contrast way too high, and the MSI strobing is more pleasing to my eyes. And the Zowie looks like image is doubling almost while the MSI image is smoother with strober although i dont know which i would like more in person. Also on a side note, on the MSI you can actually see a green alien on a yellow background while on the Zowie, the whole thing just looks like one big green colored blob. I guess thats because the MSI is IPS. and I always say to myself i value gaming performance over eye candy... but it worries me if while gaming this kind of lack of color difference would bother me with the zowie. (green and yellow scene all looking green)
Which example do you guys like more in this pic? the MSI or the Zowie?
my xl2746s has a clearer motion clarity with dyac on, not sure how they get thos blurry mess and compare it..

https://imgur.com/a/U4StpUh
wow yours is so much better. and the colors are 1000x better than in that review pic! maybe they didnt calibrate it? your alien green and ship yellow is so well defined, in that review i saw it was all green mess. in your pic did you do the cross talk calibration trick where you run at 120hz instead of 240? or this is how it looks standard?

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by amezibra » 28 May 2020, 10:08

kofman13 wrote:
28 May 2020, 08:53
amezibra wrote:
28 May 2020, 07:56
kofman13 wrote:
27 May 2020, 18:45
RLCScontender wrote:
27 May 2020, 15:54
From what i saw based on inferences of other review websites, BenQ TNs are generally around 2.5ms g2g(*the fastest 240hz Tn is 2.1ms g2g omen x25f/nitro xv272). So the g2g averages are on the upper end of the fastest TN.

the msi mag251rx is 3ms so the benq is definitely faster. But i dont' think that's a trade off of inaccurate colors, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, etc. Albeit the MSi has a mediocre contrast ratio of 1200:1, but that's better than TN level contrast ratios of 600:1-400:1

here's my opinion. If you play first person shooters, the benq has a multitude of options to enhance your FPS performance. And if you really really really don't care about colors, then the BenQ should be a no brainer.

Me personally, i will pick the MSI MAG251rx over the benq because the 0.5 g2g average advantage of the TN to me isn't noticeable at all. But the contrast ratios, accurate colors, good viewing angles, and vibrant images ARE noticeable on the MSI. Also, the MSI gaming app adds plenty of FPS options(crosshairs included and mouse sensitivity and single button macros) and 1 single button macro will change the brightness quickly without touching your monitor.

i've never owned a benq monitor but from what i've seen on their ads, they really do cater to FPS gamers. Exmaple. they have eye tracking, movement indicators, and very good crosshairs for aiming and all of that above. In my opinion, those monitor gimmicks aren't good enough to outweigh the color shift, distortion, bad viewing angles, bad contrast ratios, inaccurate colors, etc. Not to mention BENQs are very expensive whereas the MSI is only $360 USD

it's totally up to you if you. You have to weigh out ALL of these things to make that tough expensive decision.
I am also kind of tempted by the MAG251RX after i saw this...
Image
I have been researching examples of Zowie's DYAC versus other strobing technlogies. In this review i saw online of MSI's MAG251RX strobing vs Zowie XL2546 DYAC i was surprised to see that MSI's strobing does a pretty good job. and i cant decide what i like more. You could say the DYAC is sharper, but somehow the when comparing the top image and MSI strobing vs DYAC, the DYAC looks kind of jagged and like someone cranked sharpness and contrast way too high, and the MSI strobing is more pleasing to my eyes. And the Zowie looks like image is doubling almost while the MSI image is smoother with strober although i dont know which i would like more in person. Also on a side note, on the MSI you can actually see a green alien on a yellow background while on the Zowie, the whole thing just looks like one big green colored blob. I guess thats because the MSI is IPS. and I always say to myself i value gaming performance over eye candy... but it worries me if while gaming this kind of lack of color difference would bother me with the zowie. (green and yellow scene all looking green)
Which example do you guys like more in this pic? the MSI or the Zowie?
my xl2746s has a clearer motion clarity with dyac on, not sure how they get thos blurry mess and compare it..

https://imgur.com/a/U4StpUh
wow yours is so much better. and the colors are 1000x better than in that review pic! maybe they didnt calibrate it? your alien green and ship yellow is so well defined, in that review i saw it was all green mess. in your pic did you do the cross talk calibration trick where you run at 120hz instead of 240? or this is how it looks standard?
mine is an XL2746S ( the new one)

this is a pic of the monitor running at 240hz with these OSD settings :

DyAc: Premium
Black eQualizer: 0
Color Vibrance: 12
Low Blue Light: 0
Instant Mode: ON
Brightness: 100
Contrast: 37
Sharpness: 5
Gamma: 5
Color Temperature: User Define: 97 97 98
AMA: Premium
Display: Display port

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