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Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 08 Sep 2022, 16:23
by Melkxz
Don't use my numbers for ram ofc.
I think it was interesting to share what I did change.
I locked my CPU (5600x) at 4,5ghz for 1,22v. 1,2 should be stable but I like to be ultra safe.
GPU is a 3080 FE I use : 1800mhz for 850mv : never had any problem with it. I guess you have to found out what works with your GPU. I can do lower but again, I always use ultra safe values.
OFC check CPU and ram stability.
Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 08 Sep 2022, 18:03
by 2Victory
Melkxz wrote: ā08 Sep 2022, 16:23
Don't use my numbers for ram ofc.
I think it was interesting to share what I did change.
I locked my CPU (5600x) at 4,5ghz for 1,22v. 1,2 should be stable but I like to be ultra safe.
GPU is a 3080 FE I use : 1800mhz for 850mv : never had any problem with it. I guess you have to found out what works with your GPU. I can do lower but again, I always use ultra safe values.
OFC check CPU and ram stability.
What do you use to check ram and CPU stability?
Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 09 Sep 2022, 01:24
by Melkxz
I used OCCT mostly : CPU "extreme mode".
You can use it for ram too.
Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 12 Sep 2022, 13:05
by 2Victory
My experience so far has the best feeling mouse with my Tfaw at auto rather than 16
Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 12 Sep 2022, 14:16
by Melkxz
What's the recommended timing for your tfaw?
How much would you rate your mouse feeling atm /10
Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 12 Sep 2022, 15:31
by 2Victory
Melkxz wrote: ā12 Sep 2022, 14:16
What's the recommended timing for your tfaw?
How much would you rate your mouse feeling atm /10
Auto is 38
When leaving most settings on auto it's like 9/10
Lowering tRC didn't seem to have any negative effects, 55 seemed stable but could try 52.
Lowering tFAW to 16 seemed to make it a 10/10 at first, but after some aim training I realized that while it felt faster, being accurate was more difficult (such as making accurate micro-adjusents). Had to compensate with my sensitivity. Possibly mistaking speed for responsiveness. Auto tFAW def gave me the most accuracy compared to 16.
I might even be able to push my primary timings further, potentially around 14-14-14-34 @ 3600.
Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 13 Sep 2022, 11:31
by 2Victory
Tested 14-14-14-34-50 @3600Mhz, was responsive fs, but still felt like it wasn't my most accurate. Have yet to test GDM enabled/disabled in isolation.
Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 13 Sep 2022, 21:48
by 2Victory
Melkxz wrote: ā12 Sep 2022, 14:16
What's the recommended timing for your tfaw?
How much would you rate your mouse feeling atm /10
Decided to buy some new ram in attempts to wrap up this anime arc. The very last thing i haven't changed recently and haven't considered until now was the fact that my RAM wasn't on my MOBO's QVL. Since that's the case, usually the RAM, even if being able to be ran at DOCP, is often not optimized (all subtimings, including hidden ones.). This would sort of explain the bad Auto-configured subtimings for my ram... and weird stability issues when changing literally any timing. I've had 6 kits of ram between two different gaming PC's since i've been building, but only one of them was on my given mobo's QVL thinking back on it. While that one did have good responsiveness, i was playing with Windows DWM adding input lag, as I didn't know of disabling FSO until recently. This thought dawned the prospect of my good Samsung B-Die DIMMS being absolutely bottlenecked by motherboard compatibility.
Just tried installing some extra RAM I had lying around, 4x8gb DIMMs of Trident Z Neo @ 3600 (which also wasn't on my QVL), and after some BARE MINIMUM bios exploration, I realized I literally couldn't even disable
Gear Down Mode without
completely failing to boot 
. So i'm going to get some kits tested to work with my current mobo (and that i've had in the past) to insure my ram is optimized by the DOCP profile.
Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 14 Sep 2022, 00:26
by Tuhin Lavania
2Victory wrote: ā13 Sep 2022, 21:48
Melkxz wrote: ā12 Sep 2022, 14:16
What's the recommended timing for your tfaw?
How much would you rate your mouse feeling atm /10
Decided to buy some new ram in attempts to wrap up this anime arc. The very last thing i haven't changed recently and haven't considered until now was the fact that my RAM wasn't on my MOBO's QVL. Since that's the case, usually the RAM, even if being able to be ran at DOCP, is often not optimized (all subtimings, including hidden ones.). This would sort of explain the bad Auto-configured subtimings for my ram... and weird stability issues when changing literally any timing. I've had 6 kits of ram between two different gaming PC's since i've been building, but only one of them was on my given mobo's QVL thinking back on it. While that one did have good responsiveness, i was playing with Windows DWM adding input lag, as I didn't know of disabling FSO until recently. This thought dawned the prospect of my good Samsung B-Die DIMMS being absolutely bottlenecked by motherboard compatibility.
Just tried installing some extra RAM I had lying around, 4x8gb DIMMs of Trident Z Neo @ 3600 (which also wasn't on my QVL), and after some BARE MINIMUM bios exploration, I realized I literally couldn't even disable
Gear Down Mode without
completely failing to boot . So i'm going to get some kits tested to work with my current mobo (and that i've had in the past) to insure my ram is optimized by the DOCP profile.
Does disabling Gear down mode make a difference ? I'm unable to disable it @ 3600mhz. Should I lower the frequency and try ? My timings are crap also. 18-21-21-39 @ 3600mhz. Anything below at that frequency results in failing to boot.
Re: input lag on newer pcs
Posted: 14 Sep 2022, 10:46
by Melkxz
I think it's better for gaming.
But tRC value has probably the most impact (5th timing).
You should check the value with docp on and compare it to a timing table.
Check your ram stability and latency everytime you change something.
. So i'm going to get some kits tested to work with my current mobo (and that i've had in the past) to insure my ram is optimized by the DOCP profile.