The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by 1000WATT » 03 Jul 2025, 13:02

rusihhh wrote: That said — I *do* want a real discussion here.

If you’re open to it, I’d sincerely appreciate hearing your **technical perspective**:

- How do you interpret the theory?
- What parts of it do you agree or disagree with — and why?
- What’s your final stance, and are there any questions you’d raise about the claim?
You have described the theory in sufficient detail. I disagree with the use of vague wording and the method that you believe will confirm this theory. And it is precisely the method that is worth thinking about.

I'll put a suggestion up for consideration, maybe it will lead someone else to a better solution for the testing method and data analysis to find patterns.

Also, the theory contains assumptions that are difficult to check from home; you will need a computer club. So you will have to check the theory in parts.

Let's start with the simplest thing,
Theory (based on tests in games like Rainbow Six Siege):
Some games dynamically adjust the size of the packets they send to you based on their evaluation of your connection quality.


We will need 2 accounts and two computers and two different ISPs, we will try to simplify everything as much as possible to begin with.
One server with active players. All default settings, no voice chats. Blocked fps. Both players are standing at the same point on the map (or shoulder to shoulder) and the crosshair is aimed at the same pixel.
Capture of udp packet data. Analysis, conclusions.This is the beginning. We are waiting for criticism.
I often do not clearly state my thoughts. google translate is far from perfect. And in addition to the translator, I myself am mistaken. Do not take me seriously.

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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by TN_fun » 03 Jul 2025, 14:10

themagic wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 07:25
TN_fun wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 06:10
I can give you a hint why this happens. Network packets do not appear out of thin air, they are created by the game's network code. The game code, physics, shooting, etc., everything that exists, is created by your computer, your processor, your memory. If you feel some problems with input lag or image in games without the Internet and this lag changes randomly, everything will be a million times worse in online games. Your computer simply cannot create "correct" network packets.
hahaha...

yes randomly at one summer day somewhere in 2017 or 2019 from nothing and air...my first computer and all other computers after that i build...was not more able to simply create "correct" network packets... :lol:

irony off


funny you.

wait...i forget about consoles players which too randomly started to have same exact feelings and problems like some pc users here...must be probably hardware issue too and they stopped randomly to simply create "correct" network packets too one day...

irony off x2
There is nothing funny about it. That's exactly how it works. It's an electrical problem and your equipment simply can't work properly in your power grid. It's not an internet problem. It doesn't affect it. Absolutely different providers work exactly the same. Even if you use mobile internet (iPhone or Android smartphone as a modem) - nothing will change.

If you think otherwise. You can tell me your point of view and theory. What's the problem?
I've had this problem since 2012. And all the tests I've done say it's electricity.

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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by themagic » 03 Jul 2025, 15:11

TN_fun wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 14:10
themagic wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 07:25
TN_fun wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 06:10
I can give you a hint why this happens. Network packets do not appear out of thin air, they are created by the game's network code. The game code, physics, shooting, etc., everything that exists, is created by your computer, your processor, your memory. If you feel some problems with input lag or image in games without the Internet and this lag changes randomly, everything will be a million times worse in online games. Your computer simply cannot create "correct" network packets.
hahaha...

yes randomly at one summer day somewhere in 2017 or 2019 from nothing and air...my first computer and all other computers after that i build...was not more able to simply create "correct" network packets... :lol:

irony off


funny you.

wait...i forget about consoles players which too randomly started to have same exact feelings and problems like some pc users here...must be probably hardware issue too and they stopped randomly to simply create "correct" network packets too one day...

irony off x2
There is nothing funny about it. That's exactly how it works. It's an electrical problem and your equipment simply can't work properly in your power grid. It's not an internet problem. It doesn't affect it. Absolutely different providers work exactly the same. Even if you use mobile internet (iPhone or Android smartphone as a modem) - nothing will change.

If you think otherwise. You can tell me your point of view and theory. What's the problem?
I've had this problem since 2012. And all the tests I've done say it's electricity.
when i am ready...then i gonna tell you everything.

i still need some time to understand full what going on but i know already right now for 100% that electricity has nothing to do with that and about how someone feeling in online gaming and all those "suddenly from nowhere" disadvantage experience issues that some players talk about for many years here and on other forums...issues which makes there online gaming to horror and pain or in some cases like me as example even to hard unfair unplayable which completely ruins and kills the fun and love for competitive online gaming...


no one likes to play with such unfair handicap disadadvantages and i really wish no one such experience but i know for sure that many have such bullshit experience even right now at this moment and really many people out there dont even aware and still cant realize that they suck only because there providers are full trash of people that dont even care about your online gaming hobby and give an shit on it and cant even setup things the right way...or like in my case even can ruin everything...somehow...in some way...from nowhere...i still try to understand how

and now you by yourself alone with this problems from that point on and after you try to figure out how all this bastards manage to do that and how they ruin your whole online gaming experience that much and for some other part of players...which was stable normal working before with "correct packets" and everything was alright...but i am talking more only about my case here and how i feel and think about that all and everything.


you have this issue already since 2012 and still dont manage to find a way to see the difference ? damn boy...you had so much more time than me and you still believe in this all bullshit electricity talk... :lol:

so yeah...my theory is just trash providers around the world and places and some people have just this very great luck where everything works as it should and normal and in all online games to all servers and they feel fine 24/7 and those such people talk about skill mostly all the day on forums...

that why change location helps some people and it was never about electricity but just luck as the example above... :lol: everything has with internet providers and location to do...50% of that is the real skill which many talk about...but i call it advantage vs disadvantage.

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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by themagic » 04 Jul 2025, 02:45

If you still ask why i believe that Providers are the Problem...

Cause VPN can help for some but it dont works well too from scratch and you need much time to play around with that too and more and its not really easy solution and anyone...
For some Games and People it might work and you gonna see huge difference and for other Games as example it might dont make any change or even make it worse and your whole experience...

Its Lottery too same like with change location and find good providers in that where everything will work correct perfect from start and to all gaming servers...

And you can try play around with VPN with different Providers in your Location and even on your Mobile Internet...In my case I already find some maybe Solution for CS2 but i am still testing and playing around with that all and not 100% sure if full fix and for how long it will last this better experience and i am still learning and try to understand this all and try figure out what wrong with the Providers here in my place and to the gaming servers and what really going on behind the scenes...
+ Anticheats dont like very much VPN...just another hint why i believe that VPN can help and maybe you too. :lol:


Or you can even try to Setup your own VPN with 2 Providers that you have or just your own VPN on VPS server and after look if that gonna maybe make anything better and in Games you play...

There so many things too and settings and setup you can play around and do with VPNs...just go all and try by yourself and find out what helps.
Cause i am not an Expert in that all and my knowledge is still very small and to tell what really going on and what helps and what dont and myself still try to experiment too with that all...


So yeah here is your FIX for Online Gaming and all your Problems.

Good luck everyone.

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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by TN_fun » 04 Jul 2025, 05:18

Это не интернет. Не могут 4 провайдера, с собственным оборудованием работать абсолютно одинаково, то же самое касается 3 мобильных операторов. Никакие впн и прочий шаманский бред не дают улучшений. Могут быть временные изменения не более.
Ты же из России, наверное. Найди в ТГ каналы Паши Суслова и рамы. У них есть схемы для Эл сети и т.п. Вот это даст тебе такие изменения, которые ты со своим впн в жизни не видел. Какой интернет и впн в 25 году, какие провайдеры. Бред.
С тем же интернетом в соседних домах все идеально.

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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by themagic » 04 Jul 2025, 05:29

TN_fun wrote:
04 Jul 2025, 05:18
Это не интернет. Не могут 4 провайдера, с собственным оборудованием работать абсолютно одинаково, то же самое касается 3 мобильных операторов. Никакие впн и прочий шаманский бред не дают улучшений. Могут быть временные изменения не более.
Ты же из России, наверное. Найди в ТГ каналы Паши Суслова и рамы. У них есть схемы для Эл сети и т.п. Вот это даст тебе такие изменения, которые ты со своим впн в жизни не видел. Какой интернет и впн в 25 году, какие провайдеры. Бред.
С тем же интернетом в соседних домах все идеально.
я из германии...мы совершенно разные люди . :lol:
и да все я уже видел и знаю про ваши шаманские темы и как раз это самый бред из самого бреда...и вы все совсем не в ту сторону смотрите и о ваших проблемах которые вы испытываете и видите и ощущаете в ваших блять онлайн игрушек...


я могу только сказать что рано или поздно ты начнешь меня понимать и почему я начал говорить за впн и так далее...

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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by kriegsnake » 04 Jul 2025, 05:42

themagic wrote:
04 Jul 2025, 02:45
If you still ask why i believe that Providers are the Problem...

Cause VPN can help for some but it dont works well too from scratch and you need much time to play around with that too and more and its not really easy solution and anyone...
For some Games and People it might work and you gonna see huge difference and for other Games as example it might dont make any change or even make it worse and your whole experience...

Its Lottery too same like with change location and find good providers in that where everything will work correct perfect from start and to all gaming servers...

And you can try play around with VPN with different Providers in your Location and even on your Mobile Internet...In my case I already find some maybe Solution for CS2 but i am still testing and playing around with that all and not 100% sure if full fix and for how long it will last this better experience and i am still learning and try to understand this all and try figure out what wrong with the Providers here in my place and to the gaming servers and what really going on behind the scenes...
+ Anticheats dont like very much VPN...just another hint why i believe that VPN can help and maybe you too. :lol:


Or you can even try to Setup your own VPN with 2 Providers that you have or just your own VPN on VPS server and after look if that gonna maybe make anything better and in Games you play...

There so many things too and settings and setup you can play around and do with VPNs...just go all and try by yourself and find out what helps.
Cause i am not an Expert in that all and my knowledge is still very small and to tell what really going on and what helps and what dont and myself still try to experiment too with that all...


So yeah here is your FIX for Online Gaming and all your Problems.

Good luck everyone.
The only sane person on this forum regarding this desync issues is blackmagic if you ask me. Trust me he is telling the truth, in very rare cases it could be emi or some voodoo stuff, if all your appliances are good the only problem is an internet. Don’t try tweaks with windows. If anyone has cloudflare warp+ try to turn it on midgame in cs. All footsteps and gunshots will disappear, you won’t hear any footsteps and have time till the start of the next round , go do the ace, all your shots will be connecting. When new round starts you can’t resync with the server. If you turn it before the match, you couldn’t connect to the server because steam can’t get a handshake( probably blocked it for some users using it before for cheating purposes). I have this problem in all games and I tried all isps in my region, all of them are shit, even in computer clubs i get owned. The next step I tried vps to the provider that’s connected directly on the backbone( that is selling traffic to another isps) and configured wireguard on it. If i play Hunt showdown, Arena breakout I see a drastic improvement, finally I can shoot back , and I get more than 6-7 hunters kills in a game, while without vps I get headshoted instantly and ghost bullets only. Vps doesn’t work well with cs2 and valorant, because steam and vanguard marks you when you connect with vpn and give you same shit experience as you play with your own isp . On Hunt showdown without vps I get 50 ping stable and everything is broken, while with vps it’s 75-80 and it feels perfect. Don’t even say that it compensates you for bad ping higher jitter and etc, because its not.

Overall you guys better watch for the implementation of vpn with unknown headers( ip, marking and other network stuff) to configure it on vps and have fun afterwards.
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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by themagic » 04 Jul 2025, 06:39

In the end path of this road we all just try to bypass a system...

"getting some advantage"...

or like in my case who just wish to feel and see and play normal again some online competitive like it was before at some point in the timeline of my life and how i still exactly remember it...without much bullshit and where i dont feel like an complete dumb idiot who have zero chance to fight back...where nothing work more correct and just horror to play this way for your mind and your soul and even your mental health...

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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by TN_fun » 04 Jul 2025, 08:16

themagic wrote:
04 Jul 2025, 05:29
TN_fun wrote:
04 Jul 2025, 05:18
Это не интернет. Не могут 4 провайдера, с собственным оборудованием работать абсолютно одинаково, то же самое касается 3 мобильных операторов. Никакие впн и прочий шаманский бред не дают улучшений. Могут быть временные изменения не более.
Ты же из России, наверное. Найди в ТГ каналы Паши Суслова и рамы. У них есть схемы для Эл сети и т.п. Вот это даст тебе такие изменения, которые ты со своим впн в жизни не видел. Какой интернет и впн в 25 году, какие провайдеры. Бред.
С тем же интернетом в соседних домах все идеально.
я из германии...мы совершенно разные люди . :lol:
и да все я уже видел и знаю про ваши шаманские темы и как раз это самый бред из самого бреда...и вы все совсем не в ту сторону смотрите и о ваших проблемах которые вы испытываете и видите и ощущаете в ваших блять онлайн игрушек...


я могу только сказать что рано или поздно ты начнешь меня понимать и почему я начал говорить за впн и так далее...
Понимаешь, ты должен как-то обосновать свою теорию. Да, это всего лишь теория. То что тебе помогает впн это еще не говорит о том, что дело в интернете. Так же тебе(или кому-то) может помогать переустановка ОС, на время. Но это не значит что дело в ОС. и т.д. И то же касается электрическая. Все эти схемы и т.д помогают и дают нереальные результаты, на время.

Т.е что-то не так именно с местом, где ты находишься. Понимаешь? Ты говоришь про интернет, но можешь ли ты на 100% быть уверен что дело в нем?

Как ты объяснишь что все провайдеры включая мобильных работают одинаково. С чем это связано? или ты думаешь они работают одинаково плохо для всех в твоем районе или для всего города?

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Re: The Game Feels Sluggish, Enemies Are Too Fast, and You Die in a Millisecond

Post by rusihhh » 04 Jul 2025, 08:33

TN_fun wrote: He claimed that it's not about the internet, since multiple ISPs and mobile providers all perform the same for him. He dismissed VPNs and similar tools as ineffective, saying they may cause only temporary changes. He believes the root issue lies in the physical location, not in routing or providers, and questioned how all ISPs could behave identically unless the environment was to blame.
To TN_FUN: you're completely wrong when claiming that VPNs or ISPs have little impact. This shows a lack of understanding of how networking and routing actually work.

1. Using a VPN server in Europe that is directly peered with your ISP can significantly improve connection quality — simply because it avoids inefficient transit routes. The routing changes, and that alone can make a huge difference.

2. Saying that "ISPs don't matter much" is absolutely incorrect. Real-world example: two neighboring houses, two different ISPs — one has 50ms lower ping to the same game server. Why? Different routes, different BGP decisions, different peering.

3. Even mobile providers in the same country can have drastically different routing paths — one might go directly to Germany, another takes a detour through France or even Eastern Europe.

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