Mouse cursor stutter after upgrading PC
Posted: 20 Jan 2023, 18:56
Hello. If you guys cant help me, i dont know who can. Its gonna be a pretty long post and im gonna really appreciate it if you read it all.
I had perfectly fine running PC - Z370 mobo, i9 9900K, 32gb ddr4, rtx 3080, rm850x, 2 nvmes, 1440p144hz lg with second monitor 1080p60hz, wireless mouse - i dont remember any issues for the past year. But i wanted better cpu (i play a lot of multiplayer high demanding games so all possible cpu juice is needed and appreciated) so i upgraded to Z790 Aorus Elite AX, i7 13700K and kingston fury 32gb (two 16gb sticks, many boards both intel and amd have problems with 4 sticks) ddr5 6000hz ram and one new nvme drive - gpu and everything else stayed the same.
After i exchanged components i updated mobo's bios, clean installed on the new drive the same windows 11 version i had before, the same nvidia driver and newest drivers from mobo's site, same programs i used on previous platform etc. Same day i noticed that my mouse is now stuttering. As I have 144hz display and 1000hz polling rate mouse so i could easily see it. Stutter is very random, (if i had to guess its like skipping frames you can see on 250/500hz polling rate mouse but its one stutter) sometimes 3 times in 15 seconds sometimes less sometimes more. I even had 3 days straight with only 2 single stutters but thats gone, since weeks its stuttering very often without significant break. I see it just gliding cursor on the desktop, hard to capture on video cuz its random and mostly because i would need very good slowmotion camera.
First i started with most common solutions like reinstalling windows on previous nvme, trying updating mouse drivers, reciever drivers, changing usb ports (both rear and front), reseating all components, then i tried different mouse (wired this time), changing back and forth windows versions, motherboard bioses, multiple power plans, multiple drivers versions, removing my dedicated pcie sound card and removing drivers from it, trying multiple bios settings (xmp, multiple voltages options, changing pcie slots gen speed etc), disabling HPET, disabling secure boot and tpm, disconnecting secondary monitor, plugging ONLY mouse to the motherbard and many more things i cant remember now.
I have online UPS so i even tried plugging whole setup directly to the outlet - still the same.
LITERALLY NOTHING HELPED.
I tried pcie usb card which had good opinions on internet, it was this one with respected Renesas chip: https://www.amazon.pl/dp/B0937126PY
I insterted it into pcie slot, connected with sata to deliver more power - after plugging mouse to it things were even worse, it was skipping like crazy, like i was using mouse with 250hz polling rate, no clue why. So i returned it.
I said fuck it, if i exchanged only three parts (and added fourth irrelevant one) and issue started it must be one of them. I thought it must be motherboard causing it so i bought another Z790 with best opinions: MSI Z790 Tomahawk
I set up a new mobo with default settings etc and what i see? Mouse still randomly stutters. I was lost at words.
I tested RAM with memtest86+ whole night and it came up with all passes and 0 errors.
I havent had single BSOD on this new setup, my games work like before just with better fps, i dont notice stutters there with my aim, maybe if i really tried i could but without going out of my way i dont notice stutters while playing.
But simple internet browsing is making me fucking angry as i see these random cursor stutters.
I see quite a lot of people on reddit with usb issues on Z690/Z790 but they arent like mine, they talk about peripherals disconnecting etc, that isnt my case. I never found somebody with issue exactly like mine which started after upgrading to Intel 13th Gen.
One thing is worth noting: after my like third clean install of windows i let stay old nvidia drivers (2020) from windows update and for 3 hours testing i noticed single mouse stutters like only two times, i installed newest nvidia drivers and stutters began more frequent.
Maybe it was luck/placebo or maybe it really made a difference, i had no clue so i removed these new drivers with DDU and installed these old ones from 2020 again but this time it made no difference, stutters were still there in full force.
I tried checking DPC latency but it was all over the place, sometimes it was red bar with warning and less stutters, sometimes there were no latency jumps for a long time and more stutters.
If it is RAM or CPU issue wouldnt i get bsods and other problems? If it is PSU problem wouldnt i get more severe problems? If it is GPU problem why it wasnt present before with same windows11 version and same drivers version?
I honestly have no clue what else can i try anymore.
I regret upgrading so much but i gave my old parts to my buddy so there is no going back now and i have to solve this issue.
Im starting to lose my mind. I know its 1st world problem and i have many worse problems irl but its bugging me so much.
If you've read thru it all: can you have any ideas, any clues what might help me?
If you have any questions, suggestions - im open.
I appreciate ANY help, thank you all.
btw: mods if i posted in wrong forum/subforum please move the topic, im new here and dont exactly know where this problem belongs
I had perfectly fine running PC - Z370 mobo, i9 9900K, 32gb ddr4, rtx 3080, rm850x, 2 nvmes, 1440p144hz lg with second monitor 1080p60hz, wireless mouse - i dont remember any issues for the past year. But i wanted better cpu (i play a lot of multiplayer high demanding games so all possible cpu juice is needed and appreciated) so i upgraded to Z790 Aorus Elite AX, i7 13700K and kingston fury 32gb (two 16gb sticks, many boards both intel and amd have problems with 4 sticks) ddr5 6000hz ram and one new nvme drive - gpu and everything else stayed the same.
After i exchanged components i updated mobo's bios, clean installed on the new drive the same windows 11 version i had before, the same nvidia driver and newest drivers from mobo's site, same programs i used on previous platform etc. Same day i noticed that my mouse is now stuttering. As I have 144hz display and 1000hz polling rate mouse so i could easily see it. Stutter is very random, (if i had to guess its like skipping frames you can see on 250/500hz polling rate mouse but its one stutter) sometimes 3 times in 15 seconds sometimes less sometimes more. I even had 3 days straight with only 2 single stutters but thats gone, since weeks its stuttering very often without significant break. I see it just gliding cursor on the desktop, hard to capture on video cuz its random and mostly because i would need very good slowmotion camera.
First i started with most common solutions like reinstalling windows on previous nvme, trying updating mouse drivers, reciever drivers, changing usb ports (both rear and front), reseating all components, then i tried different mouse (wired this time), changing back and forth windows versions, motherboard bioses, multiple power plans, multiple drivers versions, removing my dedicated pcie sound card and removing drivers from it, trying multiple bios settings (xmp, multiple voltages options, changing pcie slots gen speed etc), disabling HPET, disabling secure boot and tpm, disconnecting secondary monitor, plugging ONLY mouse to the motherbard and many more things i cant remember now.
I have online UPS so i even tried plugging whole setup directly to the outlet - still the same.
LITERALLY NOTHING HELPED.
I tried pcie usb card which had good opinions on internet, it was this one with respected Renesas chip: https://www.amazon.pl/dp/B0937126PY
I insterted it into pcie slot, connected with sata to deliver more power - after plugging mouse to it things were even worse, it was skipping like crazy, like i was using mouse with 250hz polling rate, no clue why. So i returned it.
I said fuck it, if i exchanged only three parts (and added fourth irrelevant one) and issue started it must be one of them. I thought it must be motherboard causing it so i bought another Z790 with best opinions: MSI Z790 Tomahawk
I set up a new mobo with default settings etc and what i see? Mouse still randomly stutters. I was lost at words.
I tested RAM with memtest86+ whole night and it came up with all passes and 0 errors.
I havent had single BSOD on this new setup, my games work like before just with better fps, i dont notice stutters there with my aim, maybe if i really tried i could but without going out of my way i dont notice stutters while playing.
But simple internet browsing is making me fucking angry as i see these random cursor stutters.
I see quite a lot of people on reddit with usb issues on Z690/Z790 but they arent like mine, they talk about peripherals disconnecting etc, that isnt my case. I never found somebody with issue exactly like mine which started after upgrading to Intel 13th Gen.
One thing is worth noting: after my like third clean install of windows i let stay old nvidia drivers (2020) from windows update and for 3 hours testing i noticed single mouse stutters like only two times, i installed newest nvidia drivers and stutters began more frequent.
Maybe it was luck/placebo or maybe it really made a difference, i had no clue so i removed these new drivers with DDU and installed these old ones from 2020 again but this time it made no difference, stutters were still there in full force.
I tried checking DPC latency but it was all over the place, sometimes it was red bar with warning and less stutters, sometimes there were no latency jumps for a long time and more stutters.
If it is RAM or CPU issue wouldnt i get bsods and other problems? If it is PSU problem wouldnt i get more severe problems? If it is GPU problem why it wasnt present before with same windows11 version and same drivers version?
I honestly have no clue what else can i try anymore.
I regret upgrading so much but i gave my old parts to my buddy so there is no going back now and i have to solve this issue.
Im starting to lose my mind. I know its 1st world problem and i have many worse problems irl but its bugging me so much.
If you've read thru it all: can you have any ideas, any clues what might help me?
If you have any questions, suggestions - im open.
I appreciate ANY help, thank you all.
btw: mods if i posted in wrong forum/subforum please move the topic, im new here and dont exactly know where this problem belongs