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it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 25 Mar 2023, 22:53
by agendarsky
Hello there, some people may know me for some people im new.

With upcoming sause 2 my interest in csgo went again up aswell as interested in our well know bad recoil / heavy mouse / slow movement problem.

I saw the topic where guy tried absolute electricity fix with gasoline generator with bad results, sorry but you can have really bad electricity which can be solved with online ups but it still doesnt work right? so it means our components are "infected" so i know guys you heard this milion times and i will say it milion and 1 times. It is motherboard problem.

I recently upgraded to legendary ryzen 7 5800x3d and i cant describe by words how satysfing this cpu is but i took really high end motherboard (at this point please dont stop reading i know it hurts right now but continue reading) , its Asus Crosshair Dark Hero VIII that has good amount of excellent vrms. At first i tried it raw, literally entered bios just to setup boot for usb flash windows installation, results ? On the scale of 0 to 10 the gameplay was 7, very smooth , very good recoil , not jittery and precise mouse BUT it still felt little bit slow aswell as movement like bhoping , strafing.

Ok so step number 2 , time for default settings which in my case means only setup my b-die kit and nothing else. Result? Much more higher frames with very precise but slow mouse, so nothing really changed but very very playable.

Third time i went for winsce hidden bios settings but no experience with amd setups what so every so i used chatgpt for it and it was literally best decision i made during 12 years of "fixing" this problem. I described him a problem, i told him that i dont want any power saving related advices, no driver related advices , told him its very deep problem that cause desynchronization problem despite having excelent setup and temps, told him its related to motherboard and its jitter on communication level and i want very detailed answers and choices about tweaking it in context of gaming input latency , and internal pc jitter caused by emi from pc components that are causing bad signal internal signal integrity.

It confirmed that it is common thing called bit rate error that is caused on motherboard surface level (pcie, memory and cpu lanes) and may be the source of issue if external power source is not helping. So essentialy what i did is exported my bios settings from winsce and copy pasted every single option and asked for preffered option for "lowest clock jittering / best input latency and gaming performance", if answer is not clear , remind him to stay in context.

I barely removed any power saving features (4 example i still have c-states enabled) that fixed this shit was stuff like recommended impedance settings for clocks , for pcie lanes , memclk, sata impedance and etc. i used chatgpt to calibrate signal strenght of theese things and its literally third day of my pc running without shutdown (if im sleeping im running in cyrcle on valve deadmatch to farm cs2) and its just perfect. Like literally everything, i tryed 1.6 on some random polish aim server and went 30-2 in 10 minutes because im just ad-ading through boxes ocassionaly clicking on my 120g heavy deathadder and just hitting heads like in 2007.

Winsce tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgUwftnqPtU

Re: it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 00:33
by SKILLEN
Tried 7-10 new motherboards few of them high end like asus maximus hero + played with winsce many times 0 result.
I don't think anymore my problem is EMI or electricity ,probably thats why these things didn't help me.

Re: it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 01:54
by texre
SKILLEN wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 00:33
Tried 7-10 new motherboards few of them high end like asus maximus hero + played with winsce many times 0 result.
I don't think anymore my problem is EMI or electricity ,probably thats why these things didn't help me.
I Guess I’ll be the test dummy since Ik mine is emi see you guys in a few days with the results

Re: it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 02:09
by Mugabi
Oh you are on your third day of new mobo lol, give it up to 2 weeks then report back. Your input lag will comeback trust n believe. I think the ultimate fix is not using pc for 4-5 days (draining pc from the toxic fluids of bad electricity) and then playing again, I guarantee you, your gameplay will be smooth as fuck no matter what mobo /bios you use

Re: it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 02:10
by Mugabi
texre wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 01:54
SKILLEN wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 00:33
Tried 7-10 new motherboards few of them high end like asus maximus hero + played with winsce many times 0 result.
I don't think anymore my problem is EMI or electricity ,probably thats why these things didn't help me.
I Guess I’ll be the test dummy since Ik mine is emi see you guys in a few days with the results
It will fix lag for up to 2 weeks and then will come back again but go ahead

Re: it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 08:16
by n1zoo
Is it so hard to write down the settings that CHATGPT gave you? Scewin exports a million text in a notepad file, how do I write everything down?

Re: it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 09:11
by delve
go look into PCB quality of the mainboard. You want a high layer count and "server grade low loss" quality.

"Impedance control
More layers also allow you to better control the impedance of the wire traces. Control of impedance makes for better signal quality of the electrical signals (particularly the high-speed signals), and allows for faster and more reliable operation. It can also help reduce EMI (Electro-magnetic Interference), RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) and cross-talk between signals."

Re: it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 10:21
by timecard
Your post could use some whitespace vs wall of text.

Re: it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 10:26
by agendarsky
Mugabi wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 02:09
Oh you are on your third day of new mobo lol, give it up to 2 weeks then report back. Your input lag will comeback trust n believe. I think the ultimate fix is not using pc for 4-5 days (draining pc from the toxic fluids of bad electricity) and then playing again, I guarantee you, your gameplay will be smooth as fuck no matter what mobo /bios you use
if you have problem on upc especially while its off grid then its also hardware related and not only pure electricity problem, because it makes more sense for me that maybe calibrations coming out of the factory just doesnt meet correct requierements for people with bad electricity and all you need is raise or lower strenght of your motherboard signal. i also live in high populated area and there is no reason for me to wait for two weeks especially during weekends when everybody is either at home: cooking , watching tv and using computers and also big shopping centers that are 5 km away from me are also overpopulated at this moment. Im just saying that maybe for thoose of you people who are still trying to find pure electricity related solution should give a look at the problem from hardware perspective, chatgpt seems to be very helpful. good luck

Re: it is actually distorted signal on motherboard (internal emi )

Posted: 26 Mar 2023, 10:29
by jorimt
timecard wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 10:21
Your post could use some whitespace vs wall of text.
I've now edited the OP post to include paragraphs.