Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

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Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by 2kmules » 12 Jun 2024, 21:30

Search up "dota 2 uftotest blurbusters". The Frame rate versus test is what is necessary to prove this.

Found out about this recently after having input lag for almost 10 years. Do the dota 2 UFO test at 48 fps. If there is juddering then your processor/motherboard are softlocked, and there is no saving your system. Try the test on a laptop and a phone, it will be smooth at 48fps on those, without any juddering/tearing in the image.

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Re: Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by Slender » 13 Jun 2024, 04:26

2kmules wrote: ↑
12 Jun 2024, 21:30
Search up "dota 2 uftotest blurbusters". The Frame rate versus test is what is necessary to prove this.

Found out about this recently after having input lag for almost 10 years. Do the dota 2 UFO test at 48 fps. If there is juddering then your processor/motherboard are softlocked, and there is no saving your system. Try the test on a laptop and a phone, it will be smooth at 48fps on those, without any juddering/tearing in the image.
You can't know that for sure, it's just a guess. There is no actual proof that anything is blocked (yet), as soon as we can diagnose that something inside really doesn't start or is broken, only then can we claim that it is a hardware issue. I don't think it's caused by electricity, but I also don't think that some kind of operating system is not running inside the processor, which leads to shaking/juddering.

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Re: Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by agstrato » 13 Jun 2024, 06:13

2kmules wrote: ↑
12 Jun 2024, 21:30
Search up "dota 2 uftotest blurbusters". The Frame rate versus test is what is necessary to prove this.

Found out about this recently after having input lag for almost 10 years. Do the dota 2 UFO test at 48 fps. If there is juddering then your processor/motherboard are softlocked, and there is no saving your system. Try the test on a laptop and a phone, it will be smooth at 48fps on those, without any juddering/tearing in the image.
There is no such thing as motherboard softlocked, the guy spreading that bad info is very wrong and based on nothing but assumptions. I managed to get all those "start" and the performance is the same. Here are the screenshots:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/sDQd0f4 or https://imgur.com/a/all-running-UrkGwvL

Apart from that if Intel ME is not running or has an issue your PC will shutdown in exactly 30 minutes. Source:
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processo ... -p/1203826

I would like the community to please stop spreading his bs. Thanks!

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Re: Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by dervu » 13 Jun 2024, 06:28

agstrato wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 06:13
2kmules wrote: ↑
12 Jun 2024, 21:30
Search up "dota 2 uftotest blurbusters". The Frame rate versus test is what is necessary to prove this.

Found out about this recently after having input lag for almost 10 years. Do the dota 2 UFO test at 48 fps. If there is juddering then your processor/motherboard are softlocked, and there is no saving your system. Try the test on a laptop and a phone, it will be smooth at 48fps on those, without any juddering/tearing in the image.
There is no such thing as motherboard softlocked, the guy spreading that bad info is very wrong and based on nothing but assumptions. I managed to get all those "start" and the performance is the same. Here are the screenshots:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/sDQd0f4 or https://imgur.com/a/all-running-UrkGwvL

Apart from that if Intel ME is not running or has an issue your PC will shutdown in exactly 30 minutes. Source:
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processo ... -p/1203826

I would like the community to please stop spreading his bs. Thanks!
Just ask Intel/AMD engineer if this is bullshit.
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Re: Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by cursed-gamer » 13 Jun 2024, 06:42

2kmules wrote: ↑
12 Jun 2024, 21:30
Search up "dota 2 uftotest blurbusters". The Frame rate versus test is what is necessary to prove this.

Found out about this recently after having input lag for almost 10 years. Do the dota 2 UFO test at 48 fps. If there is juddering then your processor/motherboard are softlocked, and there is no saving your system. Try the test on a laptop and a phone, it will be smooth at 48fps on those, without any juddering/tearing in the image.
I can add that I've seen 60hz 100-120 fps 2x smoother than mine 240hz/400 fps. All of my equipment in the past had the same stuttery behaviour but then played on PC/Laptop that doesn't belong to me... Man, the difference was insane.

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Re: Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by bleya99 » 13 Jun 2024, 08:11

cursed-gamer wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 06:42
2kmules wrote: ↑
12 Jun 2024, 21:30
Search up "dota 2 uftotest blurbusters". The Frame rate versus test is what is necessary to prove this.

Found out about this recently after having input lag for almost 10 years. Do the dota 2 UFO test at 48 fps. If there is juddering then your processor/motherboard are softlocked, and there is no saving your system. Try the test on a laptop and a phone, it will be smooth at 48fps on those, without any juddering/tearing in the image.
I can add that I've seen 60hz 100-120 fps 2x smoother than mine 240hz/400 fps. All of my equipment in the past had the same stuttery behaviour but then played on PC/Laptop that doesn't belong to me... Man, the difference was insane.
I run a 144 hz monitor and even 200-240 fps in Apex is LITERALLY unplayable for me. I have to use v sync (nvcp ofc) + g sync to have a smooth image while having frames properly capped. I gave up on running even higher fps long time ago (like cs2 or other games).

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Re: Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by agstrato » 13 Jun 2024, 08:25

dervu wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 06:28
agstrato wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 06:13
2kmules wrote: ↑
12 Jun 2024, 21:30
Search up "dota 2 uftotest blurbusters". The Frame rate versus test is what is necessary to prove this.

Found out about this recently after having input lag for almost 10 years. Do the dota 2 UFO test at 48 fps. If there is juddering then your processor/motherboard are softlocked, and there is no saving your system. Try the test on a laptop and a phone, it will be smooth at 48fps on those, without any juddering/tearing in the image.
There is no such thing as motherboard softlocked, the guy spreading that bad info is very wrong and based on nothing but assumptions. I managed to get all those "start" and the performance is the same. Here are the screenshots:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/sDQd0f4 or https://imgur.com/a/all-running-UrkGwvL

Apart from that if Intel ME is not running or has an issue your PC will shutdown in exactly 30 minutes. Source:
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processo ... -p/1203826

I would like the community to please stop spreading his bs. Thanks!
Just ask Intel/AMD engineer if this is bullshit.
I don't have any Intel/AMD engineer in my circle of friends and honestly i won't spend any time with this bs anymore, even MoKiChU from ASUS forums (a guy that releases updated drivers) said clearly that the Events tab does not matter the only one that matters is the General. I went back to W11 with devices "stopped" just because it moves a lot better for me. One more thing to keep in mind is that these "events" happen only when installing/updating drivers if there was something to it these events would say started each time you turn on your pc (makes sence, doesn't it?). Bottom line is that it didn't change anything to get them started/running, the boot screen going dark at boot is because oems have customized splash loading screen and btw my windows is activated with hwid, so yeah none of it makes any sence. You can believe what you want, i'm just saying what i experienced with these things "started".

I mean you can pretty much see this because if you take a look at your internet adapters, wifi or ethernet whatever, you can find it says stopped in events but you are connected to the internet, aren't you? :lol: :lol:

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Re: Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by Slender » 13 Jun 2024, 08:31

agstrato wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 08:25
dervu wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 06:28
agstrato wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 06:13
2kmules wrote: ↑
12 Jun 2024, 21:30
Search up "dota 2 uftotest blurbusters". The Frame rate versus test is what is necessary to prove this.

Found out about this recently after having input lag for almost 10 years. Do the dota 2 UFO test at 48 fps. If there is juddering then your processor/motherboard are softlocked, and there is no saving your system. Try the test on a laptop and a phone, it will be smooth at 48fps on those, without any juddering/tearing in the image.
There is no such thing as motherboard softlocked, the guy spreading that bad info is very wrong and based on nothing but assumptions. I managed to get all those "start" and the performance is the same. Here are the screenshots:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/sDQd0f4 or https://imgur.com/a/all-running-UrkGwvL

Apart from that if Intel ME is not running or has an issue your PC will shutdown in exactly 30 minutes. Source:
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processo ... -p/1203826

I would like the community to please stop spreading his bs. Thanks!
Just ask Intel/AMD engineer if this is bullshit.
I don't have any Intel/AMD engineer in my circle of friends and honestly i won't spend any time with this bs anymore, even MoKiChU from ASUS forums (a guy that releases updated drivers) said clearly that the Events tab does not matter the only one that matters is the General. I went back to W11 with devices "stopped" just because it moves a lot better for me. One more thing to keep in mind is that these "events" happen only when installing/updating drivers if there was something to it these events would say started each time you turn on your pc (makes sence, doesn't it?). Bottom line is that it didn't change anything to get them started/running, the boot screen going dark at boot is because oems have customized splash loading screen and btw my windows is activated with hwid, so yeah none of it makes any sence. You can believe what you want, i'm just saying what i experienced with these things "started".

I mean you can pretty much see this because if you take a look at your internet adapters, wifi or ethernet whatever, you can find it says stopped in events but you are connected to the internet, aren't you? :lol: :lol:
ye, get out of this thread

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Re: Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by agstrato » 13 Jun 2024, 08:41

Slender wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 08:31
agstrato wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 08:25
dervu wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 06:28
agstrato wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 06:13

There is no such thing as motherboard softlocked, the guy spreading that bad info is very wrong and based on nothing but assumptions. I managed to get all those "start" and the performance is the same. Here are the screenshots:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/sDQd0f4 or https://imgur.com/a/all-running-UrkGwvL

Apart from that if Intel ME is not running or has an issue your PC will shutdown in exactly 30 minutes. Source:
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processo ... -p/1203826

I would like the community to please stop spreading his bs. Thanks!
Just ask Intel/AMD engineer if this is bullshit.
I don't have any Intel/AMD engineer in my circle of friends and honestly i won't spend any time with this bs anymore, even MoKiChU from ASUS forums (a guy that releases updated drivers) said clearly that the Events tab does not matter the only one that matters is the General. I went back to W11 with devices "stopped" just because it moves a lot better for me. One more thing to keep in mind is that these "events" happen only when installing/updating drivers if there was something to it these events would say started each time you turn on your pc (makes sence, doesn't it?). Bottom line is that it didn't change anything to get them started/running, the boot screen going dark at boot is because oems have customized splash loading screen and btw my windows is activated with hwid, so yeah none of it makes any sence. You can believe what you want, i'm just saying what i experienced with these things "started".

I mean you can pretty much see this because if you take a look at your internet adapters, wifi or ethernet whatever, you can find it says stopped in events but you are connected to the internet, aren't you? :lol: :lol:
ye, get out of this thread
Maybe you're the one that should get out of the whole forum, before you make people spend money for a new pc and a 200+ euro usb windows install from microsoft.

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Re: Can we clear up the real culprit of input lag? (SOFTLOCKED intel ME/PCH/subsystem)

Post by Slender » 13 Jun 2024, 08:44

agstrato wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 08:41
Slender wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 08:31
agstrato wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 08:25
dervu wrote: ↑
13 Jun 2024, 06:28

Just ask Intel/AMD engineer if this is bullshit.
I don't have any Intel/AMD engineer in my circle of friends and honestly i won't spend any time with this bs anymore, even MoKiChU from ASUS forums (a guy that releases updated drivers) said clearly that the Events tab does not matter the only one that matters is the General. I went back to W11 with devices "stopped" just because it moves a lot better for me. One more thing to keep in mind is that these "events" happen only when installing/updating drivers if there was something to it these events would say started each time you turn on your pc (makes sence, doesn't it?). Bottom line is that it didn't change anything to get them started/running, the boot screen going dark at boot is because oems have customized splash loading screen and btw my windows is activated with hwid, so yeah none of it makes any sence. You can believe what you want, i'm just saying what i experienced with these things "started".

I mean you can pretty much see this because if you take a look at your internet adapters, wifi or ethernet whatever, you can find it says stopped in events but you are connected to the internet, aren't you? :lol: :lol:
ye, get out of this thread
Maybe you're the one that should get out of the whole forum, before you make people spend money for a new pc and a 200+ euro usb windows install from microsoft.
haha, tell me what did you do that was useful for this forum?
we all understood that you were able to launch the chipset drivers without errors, well done. Now leave this forum and never come here again.

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