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Good day.

-- I'm buying now ASUS 360Hz PG259QN 25" monitor from... www.olx.pt (OLX Portugal)...

Or

-- I'll wait new OLED monitor but if this doesn't any single-strobe option for 50Hz under OSD, *new* BFI software will be needed (but we prohibit hardly any micro-stutter nor any flicker's freeze randomly!!!).

Which is one best of these 50Hz strobe of monitor?

But max 700 euros.


NOTE: What very pity. - Because admin doesn't test many OLED (and new LCD-LED) monitors yet!?!

Best regards.

Probably not many 50hz strobe options out there. There are very few 60hz strobe options(and even less good 60hz strobe implementations)
Your best bet may be to buy the RetroTink 4K and do 50hz BFI via a custom modeline.
I believe you may be able to do 100hz(50% blur reduction) at 4K and you may have more wiggle room for more at a lower resolution.

RT4K is $700 though.

thatoneguy wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2024, 04:58

Probably not many 50hz strobe options out there. There are very few 60hz strobe options(and even less good 60hz strobe implementations)
Your best bet may be to buy the RetroTink 4K and do 50hz BFI via a custom modeline.
I believe you may be able to do 100hz(50% blur reduction) at 4K and you may have more wiggle room for more at a lower resolution.

RT4K is $700 though.

We exist ULMB hacked for allow single-strobe 50Hz! lol

Do I need RetroTink? But I don't want (retro)gaming for 50Hz but yes multimedia (50fips/fps videos, live TV Portugal...).

-> RT4k only but without new monitor!?? If I have CRT monitor, I don't need RT4k!!! New monitor + RT4k cost 1400euro!?! What shameful, confusion and donkey!

nuninho1980 wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2024, 08:11

We exist ULMB hacked for allow single-strobe 50Hz! lol

There's a hack for ULMB1 available, but it's still DRM locked to NVIDIA GPUs. Won't work with external 50Hz sources.
I don't know if the ULMB1 hack works on ULMB2 displays to add undocumented ULMB refresh rates.

nuninho1980 wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2024, 08:11

Do I need RetroTink? But I don't want (retro)gaming for 50Hz but yes multimedia (50fips/fps videos, live TV Portugal...).

Retrotink 4K works with any video source including TV boxes.
Yes, you can do 50Hz BFI with RetroTink as long as you can do a multiple of 50Hz (e.g. 100Hz, 150Hz, 200Hz, 250Hz, etc).
You will have more options with a larger input:output refresh rate ratio.

nuninho1980 wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2024, 08:11

-> RT4k only but without new monitor!?? If I have CRT monitor, I don't need RT4k!!! New monitor + RT4k cost 1400euro!?! What shameful, confusion and donkey!

In year 1995, Faroudja video processors used to cost over $10,000. Retrotink 4K does everything that old Faroudja could do, but at HD resolutions and at any refresh rate, but with additional features like CRT filters and BFI.

It's expensive but a bargain because you bring your own BFI to any display that does not have BFI. In fact, the BFI of Retrotink 4K outperforms the LG firmware BFI, by being lower lag (Even when conneted to the same LG TV) and more adjustable. Custom refresh rate BFI works fine on LG TVs, including 48Hz BFI, 50Hz BFI, 53Hz BFI, 60Hz BFI, thanks to the "fixed framerate BFI trick inside a VRR signal". Basically, Retrotink 4K can transport its software-injection BFI over a VRR conduit, to enable custom BFI refresh rates on LG HDTVs not normally otherwise supported.

It'll even do 35mm projector simulation, doing 24Hz doublestrobe (48Hz flicker inside a 96fps-in-120Hz VRR signal). Which means you can plug in a VHS or Laserdisc with 3:2 pulldown judder, the Retrotink4K will deinterlace 480i to 480p, scale it to 1080p, dejudder it to 24Hz (24p) and inject BFI (single, double, triple strobe), giving you 35mm projector simulation to any retro home theater device. Yes, BluRay players work (as long as you use HDMI stripper). No product on the market can do this. No TV firmware on the market can do this. It's got a monopoly on that feature, courtesy Chief Blur Buster -- nobody else knew how to pull this off. In that point of view, $750 is such an incredible bargain because it is used by the market that used to be dominated by $10,000 video processors by Runco and Faroudja in the 1990s (that only did scaling or line doubling, not even dejudder).

It's overkill for many people, but the only option for other people.

Ok. I choose ASUS PG259QN for better value. Are you sure?

OP... have you considered looking around for an old Plasma TV?
You can probably find them cheaper now in the used market. PAL Plasma TVs will flicker at 50hz.
Granted no monitors and the resolution is lower but you can find Plasma TVs as small as 32 inch.

thatoneguy wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2024, 00:11

OP... have you considered looking around for an old Plasma TV?
You can probably find them cheaper now in the used market. PAL Plasma TVs will flicker at 50hz.
Granted no monitors and the resolution is lower but you can find Plasma TVs as small as 32 inch.

No. Most TVs Plasma may get motion blur due to the slow persistence time (soft flicker or lack of flicker as bad). Old plasma hasn't FullHD!!

I have plasma 42" Panasonic FHD but bad microstutters + artifacts at 600Hz Sub-Field Drive enabled while motion blur is very bad at sub-field disabled.

We want any monitor with max 27" must get lower than 1ms of persistence time at 50Hz!

Well yeah, but 50hz Plasma is still better than sample-and-hold.
And even most PAL 50hz CRTs used slower phosphors on average compared to their NTSC 60hz counterparts to combat flicker.
I would say many Consumer CRT TVs had 4-5ms MPRT phosphors, about similar to Plasma but a bit better because of less trail.

I guess if you want that 50hz <1ms MPRT then stick to your CRT Monitor and maybe even look for another one as a back-up, since we won’t have mainstream 50hz strobe for a long time.

thatoneguy wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2024, 05:40

Well yeah(...)
I would say many Consumer CRT TVs had 4-5ms MPRT phosphors, about similar to Plasma but a bit better because of less trail.

4ms MPRT by horizontal of CRT TV is fake but yes < ~0.5ms because I can't detect any motion blur at very fast pursuit yet!!

I require FullHD (1920x1080) for 50Hz!

->> But I stay to choose ASUS ULMB1 360Hz.