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Here is my story...

1. I bought a AOC G2460PG G-Sync monitor two weeks ago, received it and immediately RMA it. The G-Sync is incredible but the AOC panel was full of clouding in the bottom of the screen : Guru3D Forum Thread link

2. So, I received my RMA AOC G2460PG G-Sync monitor 3 days ago and send it back to my reseller immediately. The AOC panel was wost than the 1st on, with 2 distinct clouding zone in the bottom of the screen and 3 beautiful muras...

=> My Guess, AOC bought budget panels, add the 200$ G-Sync module and sell them as top notch techno... I am sorry AOC but my AOC G2460PG G-Sync experience is horrible for now.
Oh, I have no doubt my reseller will sell this monitor to someone else and that this guy will say "Wahou this monitor is sooo great"... Disappointing

3. So, I have my money back but still no new gaming monitor. Ohhh, what is more important than a monitor for a gamer. Let's spend money in order to have something great ! Let's buy the Asus ROG Swift G-Sync monitor ! Hell yeah, 800€ but I want something great !
Damn I have a little doubt now... Let's check google using "ROG SWIFT PG278Q issue"... And... And... What are all these thread everywhere ? WHAT ? It seems like half of these monitor are broken, bleeding, clouding... on a 800€ monitor ??? Honestly ?

Oh, no, no, no, I just want a gaming monitor, I have 1000€ to spend, even more if I am sure about the quality of the product... It seems like this is impossible nowadays to have quality product, I do not want to have an half broken product I just want something deserving I spend my money on it...

For example, I am currently using a 4 or 5 years old DELL U2311H with no bleeding, no clouding, no dead pixel, with black black and white white... OK, it's IPS I know, but damn, this is 5 years old ! Is this possible nowadays to have something good ???

Well, there's also the Acer XB270HA, 8-bit, 27", 1080p, G-Sync, 144Hz monitor.

But in general, the first generation of any new tech is going to suck since there's no variety to choose from. Right now, there's just 3 retail G-Sync monitors, and that's it.

It's damn tough. I've been waiting for a zero-blur, zero-lag monitor with good color (WLED doesn't qualify IMO) for 4 years. Nothing currently even comes close.

Oofloom wrote:Nothing currently even comes close.

crt's come pretty close

Oofloom wrote:It's damn tough. I've been waiting for a zero-blur, zero-lag monitor with good color (WLED doesn't qualify IMO) for 4 years. Nothing currently even comes close.

Id say the Eizo Foris2421 (or smth like that) is the closest we have to that atm. No variable refresh obviously.

Until OLED, ... that Eizo one and Sony FW900 (if you can find one) is pretty much it for those goals. I guess CRT`s in general, but i refuse to believe people are ok with 15" desktop screens nowadays.

I now have the AOC G2460PG, and I don't see anything wrong with it when browsing the Web or playing games.

On this particular test: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_an ... #angleGrey (especially in fullscreen mode), the top of the screen appears a bit darker than the bottom, but that's to be expected on a TN panel. I also noticed on this test, that the upper-left corner appears a bit darker than the upper-right corner. It isn't noticeable under normal circumstances, however (browsing the Web or playing games).

Pretty much the only choices are the Eizo Foris, the Rog Swift and the Benq Z series monitors.
The Eizo comes with much better colors and contrast (after all, it IS a VA panel) but higher input lag and some limitations on the strobing; that input lag can be noticeable and make it unsuitable for something like Quake or CS:Go.

The Rog has Gsync and a proper resolution for a 27" panel, but ULMB on a panel of that size has such a high resolution that you will be unlikely to make good use of it without -very- powerful videocard hardware; although you can run it at 85hz. And ulmb AND gsync will ONLY work on Nvidia (unlike lightboost, it may not be possible to use ULMB on AMD; lightboost would unlock on an Nvidia card (or strobelight for older lightboost panels) and then could be transferred to an AMD card with custom timings and work fine.

The Benq is the most trouble free for motion blur reduction; like the Eizo, it's in the OSD itself, it works on any video card. It also has low input lag, like the ROG, making it suitable for fast paced FPS, and unlike any of the other monitors, allows 60 hz strobing, which can be used great on consoles (through HDMI), and on PC games that are locked to 60hz or 60 FPS (without having to force 100hz by removing resolutions through CRU, and possibly causing game timing issues (Doom 3, dark souls, etc) for forcing 60hz games to run higher than 60hz/60 fps.

The drawback is the overdrive artifacts (AMA) and strobing crosstalk are the worst among the monitors, although the 24" panels DO have less overdrive artifacts than the 27" (both have the crosstalk bands, though; apparently the 27" monitors have a slightly better overall picture quality, though). The Asus VG278/E 27" monitors also had more overdrive ghosting/artifacts in lightboost mode than the VG248QE, but had a better picture (better contrast, no purple tint).

The VG248QE had the absolute best motion blur reduction quality (with lightboost), having the least ghosting artifacts of any panel (due to Asus' excellent Tracefree implementation), and you could also adjust the overdrive gain in the service menu (this only had any use, however, if you were NOT using lightboost; in lightboost mode, 0F was the best setting (maximum).

I guess there is no even single monitor good for online fps gaming now. There is also no single semi-professional graphic monitor (or simply ips) good for gaming even single player I guess (was interested in cx240 but then I have read prad.de response time tests). Am I right? VG248QE has pwm flicker, terrible colors even worse then in Benq, Benq has 10s input lag + at once blinding lights even indirect in games and too dark and saturated image, about Acer 144hz one thing we only know that it has very dark (lightboost 2) ULMB and work only for geforce, Eizo fg2421 17s input lag, middle black crash, pixel response time too slow, for online play not good enough, and for Rog Swift PG278Q you have to be ultra rich to have all the hardware needed for 120-144hz (120-144fps) ULMB in its resolution 2560 x 1440 for online play, beside image quality is not much better really and all this without any warranty for defect pixels or etc.
To summerize, what sad depressing times gamers currently have but also for other users like graphics who can't enjoy even their professional monitors in games where is motion.

I don't know but I think today freesync/gsync tech can't be that great too - on all this monitors which are still having sample-and-hold blur. Only 120-144hz with strobe can give good motion, I'm eagerly waiting for a oled 16:10 with at least 120hz (real) monitor with some strobing/scanning, which will be also good for a professional graphic so everything in one - like in a good times of crt monitors. Maybe with rolling scan like in Oculus Rift.
So producers, please stop producing lcd! :]

Sounds like a crt IS what you need...

The Benqs can be run at 120hz with 1350 vertical total and the crosstalk bands are limited to the top and bottom inch of the screen or less. 144hz is unacceptably more crosstalk and color depth loss.

I think another huge problem is people getting excited about their new screen, don't notice Nvidia control panel dropped them to 16bit color, and blame the monitor because they heard nothing but 'bad colors'. I'm running the 120hz profile from this page, 1.8ms persistence, and VT1350 and my 2411z matches my IPS in color at least well enough that you only notice with a dark colored window spanning both, but this is also because the custom res forces 32bit color.

There's even more to do with multi-monitor causing major stuttering in 2D graphics, but I'm thinking that's only an NVidia driver issue at this point.

I'd say at least half of the gripes about image quality are a complete failure to configure the monitor. Out of the box they are terrible, but so is any other screen.