I don't think the desync problem we have is caused by hardware.

[kimchi man]

Hi, I'm Korean. I also feel heavy on the mouse when I play games, and I feel like something else is interfering with my skills besides gamer's skills and hardware/software, so I searched the internet and I ended up here at the Bloobster forum.

There are a lot of PC cafes in Korea. I also went to PC cafes a lot when I was serving in the military because I went out or went on vacation. So I'm sensitive to computer settings. I've experienced a lot of PC cafes, so I could be sensitive about input delays.

The problem is, I don't know why.

In some PC cafes, the mouse, the monitor, and I are integrated, giving you a three-dimensional effect and a sense of life that you've entered the game yourself. And it's clear

In some pc cafes, the mouse doesn't move as far as I thought and the beat rate of the video drops, so it looks ripply. It's less immersive

What's interesting is that the hardware of the PC cafe that plays well is unappealing
PC cafes that don't play well have high hardware specifications.

In other words, hardware has nothing to do with the problems we have.

I actually replaced four computers.
There was a time when I gathered the parts and put them together
I bought three fully assembled computers at Compuzone, the number one computer company in Korea. I don't think there will be any problems with compatibility or stability as it is an estimate combined by experts from computer companies with annual sales of $600 million.

This is the computer combination I bought

12400f 4060ti
9600x 5060
7800x3d rx9070
9800x3d 5070

After using multiple computers and seeing the same symptoms, I concluded that it wasn't a hardware problem.


So I think there are two things left.
One is a software issue: Windows.Bios,
The second is the house problem: Internet, electricity


I personally don't think it's a software issue. I've also tried installing several modified versions of Windows, studied BioS, and I've tried manipulating several settings, but the problem hasn't been solved. And the average person in the world who enjoys playing games very well doesn't have to set Windows or BioS, they enjoy it comfortably.


It's not a problem with both hardware and software, it's just that they wake up
Now I think there's a problem with where I am.

It's the Internet and electricity that directly affect computers.

I don't think the Internet is the cause of the problem, either. The Internet in my house is very good. The upload and download speeds are good and fast. It's faster than a PC cafe. Even though I unplugged and tested the Internet, I don't feel comfortable

The electricity problem is hard to believe, but I think the most likely thing is the electricity problem.
If the hardware software Internet is not the cause of the problem, the answer is now electricity.


I want to ask you something.
1. I would like to share the experience of someone who has moved the computer to another house and tested it. Please let me know if there was a difference.

2. If you buy a gaming laptop, you'll find out if electricity is a problem or not. Has anyone else experienced the problem bought a laptop and compared it?


I would like to share the conditions under which the symptoms I experienced have been alleviated. But I wonder what this has to do with.

1. When I moved the keyboard usb cable from the back to the front pod, the screen was super soft and fast, the mouse was non-resistance, so it flew away. (Symptoms were one-off, no change when I tried to recreate them.)

2. When I first formatted Windows, I felt like I wanted it for a day or so (afterwards, no matter how many times I format it, it's a bad gameplay)

3. Boot after the initialization button after entering the BIOS (I'm also ridiculous, this is also a one-off)

4. Nothing has been changed, but temporarily, one round is better



If you put those ridiculous symptoms together

1. The problem manifests itself fluidly without any changes in hardware software and then disappears. There is something that changes that we don't think of.

I think this "change" is the cause of the problem, and I think it's electricity

[amorou]

Hi, I'm Korean. I also feel heavy on the mouse when I play games, and I feel like something else is interfering with my skills besides gamer's skills and hardware/software, so I searched the internet and I ended up here at the Bloobster forum.

There are a lot of PC cafes in Korea. I also went to PC cafes a lot when I was serving in the military because I went out or went on vacation. So I'm sensitive to computer settings. I've experienced a lot of PC cafes, so I could be sensitive about input delays.

The problem is, I don't know why.

In some PC cafes, the mouse, the monitor, and I are integrated, giving you a three-dimensional effect and a sense of life that you've entered the game yourself. And it's clear

In some pc cafes, the mouse doesn't move as far as I thought and the beat rate of the video drops, so it looks ripply. It's less immersive

What's interesting is that the hardware of the PC cafe that plays well is unappealing
PC cafes that don't play well have high hardware specifications.

In other words, hardware has nothing to do with the problems we have.

I actually replaced four computers.
There was a time when I gathered the parts and put them together
I bought three fully assembled computers at Compuzone, the number one computer company in Korea. I don't think there will be any problems with compatibility or stability as it is an estimate combined by experts from computer companies with annual sales of $600 million.

This is the computer combination I bought

12400f 4060ti
9600x 5060
7800x3d rx9070
9800x3d 5070

After using multiple computers and seeing the same symptoms, I concluded that it wasn't a hardware problem.


So I think there are two things left.
One is a software issue: Windows.Bios,
The second is the house problem: Internet, electricity


I personally don't think it's a software issue. I've also tried installing several modified versions of Windows, studied BioS, and I've tried manipulating several settings, but the problem hasn't been solved. And the average person in the world who enjoys playing games very well doesn't have to set Windows or BioS, they enjoy it comfortably.


It's not a problem with both hardware and software, it's just that they wake up
Now I think there's a problem with where I am.

It's the Internet and electricity that directly affect computers.

I don't think the Internet is the cause of the problem, either. The Internet in my house is very good. The upload and download speeds are good and fast. It's faster than a PC cafe. Even though I unplugged and tested the Internet, I don't feel comfortable

The electricity problem is hard to believe, but I think the most likely thing is the electricity problem.
If the hardware software Internet is not the cause of the problem, the answer is now electricity.


I want to ask you something.
1. I would like to share the experience of someone who has moved the computer to another house and tested it. Please let me know if there was a difference.

2. If you buy a gaming laptop, you'll find out if electricity is a problem or not. Has anyone else experienced the problem bought a laptop and compared it?


I would like to share the conditions under which the symptoms I experienced have been alleviated. But I wonder what this has to do with.

1. When I moved the keyboard usb cable from the back to the front pod, the screen was super soft and fast, the mouse was non-resistance, so it flew away. (Symptoms were one-off, no change when I tried to recreate them.)

2. When I first formatted Windows, I felt like I wanted it for a day or so (afterwards, no matter how many times I format it, it's a bad gameplay)

3. Boot after the initialization button after entering the BIOS (I'm also ridiculous, this is also a one-off)

4. Nothing has been changed, but temporarily, one round is better



If you put those ridiculous symptoms together

1. The problem manifests itself fluidly without any changes in hardware software and then disappears. There is something that changes that we don't think of.

I think this "change" is the cause of the problem, and I think it's electricity

Yes its either electricity or on-air rfi ,
and yes that visual feel you are in the game feeling is accurate , you get that in movies too , watching movies is shit boring and disconnected compared to my friends place. Even shittiest movies feel enjoyable there . ( Im a huge movie consumer)

If its electricity you need to do :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJJy6VJvSCk

What first guy did there , or move to a place where step down xformer shared by fewer homes.
You want that desireable low impedance of high voltage lines , other loads crap is less effective on you that way.


Sum: Get city's and distrubators approval to get electricity from high voltage lines via step down transformer only you using.

If not possible try these:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/topaz-l ... er.857448/

or

true sin on-line ups , but ups itself will emit noise but it should be cleaner than grid , try very expensive one.
I would try low capacitance iso transformer first.

[themagic]

I tried Notebooks and tried to move PC to another Apartment...Result: exact same bad experience and bullshit happens to me and where i feel huge disadvantage against other Players...in everything...feels like desync or other would say your hitreg broken and you 1ms behind every action you do...and feels just very off...not normal


In my case I believe hard that it somehow to do with Internet and maybe something with Upload but still dont figure it out for sure and 100% what the cause and triggers are....


But i can see and feel here that something very hard unormal anomaly happens here with Online Gaming and i know for sure that I am not alone with such Issue and there many many Players outside who have it even worse than me...


That only things i figure out and what can tell today...

and that this things very hard has effect and affect on my "SKILL Issue" and is the real reason why i cant Improve that easy or faster than some other who are just got more lucky than me...and gaming becomes unfun and not more enjoyable and that what rly makes me rage...

Like I can see where things are fair and where are hard unfair and bullshit happens...


Edit: forget to tell one more Important thing about my Issue here:

The more I start rank up or get Matches against players way above my ELO...the more I start to feel and see how everything becomes even more bullshit and desync and broken and where I dont even have a Chance more to compete and to counter them...

That what I noticed here too about my Online Gaming Problem and the Difference...



Edit: Like i would describe myself as an just average mid player but this ISSUE which i have here even makes this worse and puts me down...and more lower than just average...


Its hard to describe in text (and with my bad english) but Valorant Players will very well understand me...cause this even happens in Higher Elos and what many believe to be just a hidden MMR issue... But it is not really that...

Like I believe im not alone and who realize this and came to this conclusion...

[cybepine]

The easiest way to start troubleshooting would be to turn off the power at the main electrical panel.

Only leave (the switch) the room where your computer is on. Remove all wired electrical devices from the room, but leave only the computer, monitor, mouse, and keyboard in the room.

-Test your PC performance.

If the electrical interference is coming from outside i.e. from the grid or from other apartments. Then it can be very hard to fix.

You can buy AM/shortwave radio. They cost like 20 euros/dollars. The radio needs to be an old analog radio like, Tecsun R-911.

Here are some videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf2CLsr-uMs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB2neFFC7JM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxk7PIJBGo

[MK92]

It's not the apartment, it's the electrical grid...100%.

Nowadays there are too many linear devices (including computers), solar panels, etc., and the transformer substations, which were mostly built more than 30 years ago, are no longer suitable for this kind of load... there is nothing we can do, nothing you do will ever fix this, only the power company can fix this by upgrading / re-building the substation and diverting problematic consumers to other grids...but will they do it just because you have PC problems? Lol NOPE, this would cost them too much money and time...they would fix it only if MANY people would file a complaint, not one or two.

The one and only "fix" is to move to another location...but there is also no guarantee that this new location won't be affected in the future, maybe even in a few months.

Also, if your PC works better at night, then you have your answer - electrical grid, without a single doubt.

I've already given up because there's nothing that can be done, but the only thing I still don't understand and I'm currently investigating is why a decent double-conversion online UPS doesn't help, because it should absolutely help with EMI, harmonics, and undervoltage, but in my case it doesn't make it not even 1% better.

[simon]

Good thread.
I've experienced the maximum best and the absolute worst gameplay.
Being "inside" the game describes it perfectly, the feeling. You're in control, nobody has a chance. One simple indicator: you get called a hacker even when everything seems normal to you.
The other side when the game looks ugly, extremenly 2dimensional and boring.
One could describe these experiences all day but what's important is what I've found.
This super smooth game always comes when someone on the opposite side suffers. I think I've wrote this before but it's like a limited amount of some energy pie that you can pull to your advantage and leave other players with less. Or the opposite - it gets taken from you and you're easiest target to the opponents.
Electricity doesn't really fully explain it although I'm sure it plays a part.
Someone here mentioned movies looking better or worse too. I can confirm that too.
The deeper you go into this topic the crazier it gets and right now I'm thinking it's is some sort of undiscovered energy/phenomenon that there is a limited amount of. Certain things like installing a new windows will bring it to you for some reason. Or better at night gameplay - less people around the pie, bigger chance to get it.
I mean think about it this way: you can affect someone's gameplay through the server you play in. These players are not in your electricity grid.
At my maximum when I joined a server people immediately started saying they suddenly feel like stuck in a swamp. Funniest thing ever. And then the opposite, when someone joined who for some reason pulled all the energy to themselves you'd instantly feel slower.

[simon]

I'd also add that the more you start seeing how it works, the more you realize that skill helps only to a certain extent.
I knew a guy that said "give me two weeks and I'll beat you in any game". He was doing it all - creating new profiles, changing settings constantly etc. Of course he kept it all to himself and thats only what came out, but that was already in 2009. There are people who know but will never share but most just either get lucky or not.

[MK92]

Yeah, so when the Windows works like shit, is it also someone else from the game "taking your energy"? If you have problems ONLY in games, then your problem is obviously not electricity, but something related to network problems.

Almost all of us have problems in desktop as well (degraded monitor quality with blurry text and washed colours, 240hz feeling like below 60hz, stuttering, choppy animations, slow loading of everything, floaty mouse in desktop and even in BIOS), and this is electricity related 101%...if you have the problems only in games, then you have packet losses / bad routing to game servers and nothing else, gaming VPN would fix it.

[simon]

Of course, I don't have to join the game to know if I start owning. I'll see it on my desktop. But that depends on if you get lucky with your windows install. A windows install cannot fix your electricity, can it? There is something in the way your game in translated in the server and that starts with windows.
Bad routing lol! I've used nonexistent 4g with a ping jumping +- 100 to beat guys on fibre who practically sit next to the server. And it was not a skill issue.
If it's electricity why can't the guys with their generators or batteries never get anywhere?

[amorou]

Of course, I don't have to join the game to know if I start owning. I'll see it on my desktop. But that depends on if you get lucky with your windows install. A windows install cannot fix your electricity, can it? There is something in the way your game in translated in the server and that starts with windows.
Bad routing lol! I've used nonexistent 4g with a ping jumping +- 100 to beat guys on fibre who practically sit next to the server. And it was not a skill issue.
If it's electricity why can't the guys with their generators or batteries never get anywhere?

Because they use low quality inverters , generators