Input lag difference between platforms

[Hyote]

Yesterday I upgraded to the 9850X3D from an i9-10850K and the latency difference...... drum roll
IS NONE. It feels the exact same on the desktop, though I'm using my custom Windows so that's one thing but other than the doubled performance in games the cursor, the load times feel the exact same. So anyone hoping for the good old days of no input lag are probably viewing older processors through rose tinted glasses.

[Panychkaaa]

Now: Ryzen 9 9900 X
Past: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700K
Past: Ryzen 7 9800X3D
Result: identical

Three assemblies, little difference between the two.

[zENNy]

I upgraded from a Ryzen 9 5900X to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and the difference was massive. I could literally feel the full 240Hz experience. There was zero keyboard delay, and my mouse movements felt incredibly sharp.

But after 1–2 hours, everything went back to how it was before. My screen looked muddy, almost like it was 75Hz instead of 240Hz. In games, I could clearly see blur and stuttering with my own eyes.

Later on, I moved to a new house. It has been about a month since I moved. On the first day after moving, I formatted my PC, and everything felt unbelievably good. For the first time in my life, I played games with incredible clarity and smoothness. In CS FACEIT at 2500 ELO, I started dropping 30 kills every match. People literally couldn’t react to me.

But after 2–3 days, damn it, everything broke again. Now I don’t think I could even drop 30 kills at 1500 ELO. It feels like there is delay in my game. My keyboard and mouse movements feel numb and disconnected. Even though I get 700–800 FPS, the game still feels shaky, laggy, and delayed.

Unfortunately, this happens in every game. Even when I cap my FPS to 240, 239, or 237, nothing changes. At this point, I’m honestly giving up. Even after moving to a new house, the problem came back after 2–3 days.

[Hyote]

I upgraded from a Ryzen 9 5900X to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and the difference was massive. I could literally feel the full 240Hz experience. There was zero keyboard delay, and my mouse movements felt incredibly sharp.

But after 1–2 hours, everything went back to how it was before. My screen looked muddy, almost like it was 75Hz instead of 240Hz. In games, I could clearly see blur and stuttering with my own eyes.

Later on, I moved to a new house. It has been about a month since I moved. On the first day after moving, I formatted my PC, and everything felt unbelievably good. For the first time in my life, I played games with incredible clarity and smoothness. In CS FACEIT at 2500 ELO, I started dropping 30 kills every match. People literally couldn’t react to me.

But after 2–3 days, damn it, everything broke again. Now I don’t think I could even drop 30 kills at 1500 ELO. It feels like there is delay in my game. My keyboard and mouse movements feel numb and disconnected. Even though I get 700–800 FPS, the game still feels shaky, laggy, and delayed.

Unfortunately, this happens in every game. Even when I cap my FPS to 240, 239, or 237, nothing changes. At this point, I’m honestly giving up. Even after moving to a new house, the problem came back after 2–3 days.

You know, I'm not going to advertise on this platform, though this is somewhat like that. Ever since I've been using my own OS I haven't even thought about input lag. Another guy mentioned how we live in a scam world: for that really not much money, I offer kernel driver solutions for problems that MS created over the years. TSC instead of the forced QPC, ThrottlingFix, and now I tested 0.1 ms timer resolution to be superior in some games. Overall I haven't had any floatiness or desync for a long, long time.

[zENNy]

I upgraded from a Ryzen 9 5900X to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and the difference was massive. I could literally feel the full 240Hz experience. There was zero keyboard delay, and my mouse movements felt incredibly sharp.

But after 1–2 hours, everything went back to how it was before. My screen looked muddy, almost like it was 75Hz instead of 240Hz. In games, I could clearly see blur and stuttering with my own eyes.

Later on, I moved to a new house. It has been about a month since I moved. On the first day after moving, I formatted my PC, and everything felt unbelievably good. For the first time in my life, I played games with incredible clarity and smoothness. In CS FACEIT at 2500 ELO, I started dropping 30 kills every match. People literally couldn’t react to me.

But after 2–3 days, damn it, everything broke again. Now I don’t think I could even drop 30 kills at 1500 ELO. It feels like there is delay in my game. My keyboard and mouse movements feel numb and disconnected. Even though I get 700–800 FPS, the game still feels shaky, laggy, and delayed.

Unfortunately, this happens in every game. Even when I cap my FPS to 240, 239, or 237, nothing changes. At this point, I’m honestly giving up. Even after moving to a new house, the problem came back after 2–3 days.

You know, I'm not going to advertise on this platform, though this is somewhat like that. Ever since I've been using my own OS I haven't even thought about input lag. Another guy mentioned how we live in a scam world: for that really not much money, I offer kernel driver solutions for problems that MS created over the years. TSC instead of the forced QPC, ThrottlingFix, and now I tested 0.1 ms timer resolution to be superior in some games. Overall I haven't had any floatiness or desync for a long, long time.

I would never hesitate to pay, but personally, I don’t believe the problem will actually be solved.

[jterri]

I upgraded from a Ryzen 9 5900X to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and the difference was massive. I could literally feel the full 240Hz experience. There was zero keyboard delay, and my mouse movements felt incredibly sharp.

But after 1–2 hours, everything went back to how it was before. My screen looked muddy, almost like it was 75Hz instead of 240Hz. In games, I could clearly see blur and stuttering with my own eyes.

Later on, I moved to a new house. It has been about a month since I moved. On the first day after moving, I formatted my PC, and everything felt unbelievably good. For the first time in my life, I played games with incredible clarity and smoothness. In CS FACEIT at 2500 ELO, I started dropping 30 kills every match. People literally couldn’t react to me.

But after 2–3 days, damn it, everything broke again. Now I don’t think I could even drop 30 kills at 1500 ELO. It feels like there is delay in my game. My keyboard and mouse movements feel numb and disconnected. Even though I get 700–800 FPS, the game still feels shaky, laggy, and delayed.

Unfortunately, this happens in every game. Even when I cap my FPS to 240, 239, or 237, nothing changes. At this point, I’m honestly giving up. Even after moving to a new house, the problem came back after 2–3 days.

You’re supposed to get a completely new setup after moving. PC equipment gets perma degradation or damage from dirty electricity, so the only way to fix that is by getting a completely new setup. If you don’t want to get a new setup, then just get a new PSU, CPU, Motherboard, Mouse, Keyboard and Monitor since all of these are degraded. This issue has a legit 1 out of 900,000,000 chance of happening to anyone ESPECIALLY after moving houses. If you’re still getting issues after moving, the issue is just your setup… literally.

[zENNy]

I upgraded from a Ryzen 9 5900X to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and the difference was massive. I could literally feel the full 240Hz experience. There was zero keyboard delay, and my mouse movements felt incredibly sharp.

But after 1–2 hours, everything went back to how it was before. My screen looked muddy, almost like it was 75Hz instead of 240Hz. In games, I could clearly see blur and stuttering with my own eyes.

Later on, I moved to a new house. It has been about a month since I moved. On the first day after moving, I formatted my PC, and everything felt unbelievably good. For the first time in my life, I played games with incredible clarity and smoothness. In CS FACEIT at 2500 ELO, I started dropping 30 kills every match. People literally couldn’t react to me.

But after 2–3 days, damn it, everything broke again. Now I don’t think I could even drop 30 kills at 1500 ELO. It feels like there is delay in my game. My keyboard and mouse movements feel numb and disconnected. Even though I get 700–800 FPS, the game still feels shaky, laggy, and delayed.

Unfortunately, this happens in every game. Even when I cap my FPS to 240, 239, or 237, nothing changes. At this point, I’m honestly giving up. Even after moving to a new house, the problem came back after 2–3 days.

You’re supposed to get a completely new setup after moving. PC equipment gets perma degradation or damage from dirty electricity, so the only way to fix that is by getting a completely new setup. If you don’t want to get a new setup, then just get a new PSU, CPU, Motherboard, Mouse, Keyboard and Monitor since all of these are degraded. This issue has a legit 1 out of 900,000,000 chance of happening to anyone ESPECIALLY after moving houses. If you’re still getting issues after moving, the issue is just your setup… literally.

If the parts were damaged, then I shouldn’t have been able to play smoothly for 2–3 days, right? Everything was normal for 2–3 days, and then it got worse afterwards.

[jterri]

I upgraded from a Ryzen 9 5900X to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and the difference was massive. I could literally feel the full 240Hz experience. There was zero keyboard delay, and my mouse movements felt incredibly sharp.

But after 1–2 hours, everything went back to how it was before. My screen looked muddy, almost like it was 75Hz instead of 240Hz. In games, I could clearly see blur and stuttering with my own eyes.

Later on, I moved to a new house. It has been about a month since I moved. On the first day after moving, I formatted my PC, and everything felt unbelievably good. For the first time in my life, I played games with incredible clarity and smoothness. In CS FACEIT at 2500 ELO, I started dropping 30 kills every match. People literally couldn’t react to me.

But after 2–3 days, damn it, everything broke again. Now I don’t think I could even drop 30 kills at 1500 ELO. It feels like there is delay in my game. My keyboard and mouse movements feel numb and disconnected. Even though I get 700–800 FPS, the game still feels shaky, laggy, and delayed.

Unfortunately, this happens in every game. Even when I cap my FPS to 240, 239, or 237, nothing changes. At this point, I’m honestly giving up. Even after moving to a new house, the problem came back after 2–3 days.

You’re supposed to get a completely new setup after moving. PC equipment gets perma degradation or damage from dirty electricity, so the only way to fix that is by getting a completely new setup. If you don’t want to get a new setup, then just get a new PSU, CPU, Motherboard, Mouse, Keyboard and Monitor since all of these are degraded. This issue has a legit 1 out of 900,000,000 chance of happening to anyone ESPECIALLY after moving houses. If you’re still getting issues after moving, the issue is just your setup… literally.

If the parts were damaged, then I shouldn’t have been able to play smoothly for 2–3 days, right? Everything was normal for 2–3 days, and then it got worse afterwards.

That most likely happened because when you moved, your equipment got exposed to the clean electricity of your house for a couple days and that clean electricity cleaned your components. But because your equipment already got damaged by the dirty electricity of your old house from either EMI/RFI or voltage fluctuation, your equipment has a hard time keeping a stable voltage causing the same issues that occurred at your old house to come back. When you were at your older house, you bought a new CPU that solved your input lag issue for 2-3 days meaning that the dirty electricity was causing a CPU issue that messed the rest of your setup up. When you bought your new CPU, that CPU hadn’t been exposed to dirty electricity yet causing everything to run smoothly but after a couple days dirty electricity slowly started hitting your CPU again bringing back your issues.

[agendarsky]

I upgraded from a Ryzen 9 5900X to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and the difference was massive. I could literally feel the full 240Hz experience. There was zero keyboard delay, and my mouse movements felt incredibly sharp.

But after 1–2 hours, everything went back to how it was before. My screen looked muddy, almost like it was 75Hz instead of 240Hz. In games, I could clearly see blur and stuttering with my own eyes.

Later on, I moved to a new house. It has been about a month since I moved. On the first day after moving, I formatted my PC, and everything felt unbelievably good. For the first time in my life, I played games with incredible clarity and smoothness. In CS FACEIT at 2500 ELO, I started dropping 30 kills every match. People literally couldn’t react to me.

But after 2–3 days, damn it, everything broke again. Now I don’t think I could even drop 30 kills at 1500 ELO. It feels like there is delay in my game. My keyboard and mouse movements feel numb and disconnected. Even though I get 700–800 FPS, the game still feels shaky, laggy, and delayed.

Unfortunately, this happens in every game. Even when I cap my FPS to 240, 239, or 237, nothing changes. At this point, I’m honestly giving up. Even after moving to a new house, the problem came back after 2–3 days.

You’re supposed to get a completely new setup after moving. PC equipment gets perma degradation or damage from dirty electricity, so the only way to fix that is by getting a completely new setup. If you don’t want to get a new setup, then just get a new PSU, CPU, Motherboard, Mouse, Keyboard and Monitor since all of these are degraded. This issue has a legit 1 out of 900,000,000 chance of happening to anyone ESPECIALLY after moving houses. If you’re still getting issues after moving, the issue is just your setup… literally.

If the parts were damaged, then I shouldn’t have been able to play smoothly for 2–3 days, right? Everything was normal for 2–3 days, and then it got worse afterwards.

That most likely happened because when you moved, your equipment got exposed to the clean electricity of your house for a couple days and that clean electricity cleaned your components. But because your equipment already got damaged by the dirty electricity of your old house from either EMI/RFI or voltage fluctuation, your equipment has a hard time keeping a stable voltage causing the same issues that occurred at your old house to come back. When you were at your older house, you bought a new CPU that solved your input lag issue for 2-3 days meaning that the dirty electricity was causing a CPU issue that messed the rest of your setup up. When you bought your new CPU, that CPU hadn’t been exposed to dirty electricity yet causing everything to run smoothly but after a couple days dirty electricity slowly started hitting your CPU again bringing back your issues.

i've upgraded to 9800x3d and the problem is still there but much more better and stable. I've noticed disabling legacy usb on this platform is first time i see slightly better difference when changing this option. However the best thing i've did is tightening secondary timings , on-die termination and surprisngly not using onboard lan. : Intel 82580 Gigabit Network Connection pci-x with msi-x and i don't have the fucking sluggish slow movement when using this, which makes me wonder if this could be an actually driver issue with dma , since dma bus don't exist anymore (comparing to d875pbz which was the last board i didnt have problem on lol) every device is allowed to bus master. Also i'm waiting true ehci 2.0 usb card adapter altrough i would say i dont need it atm, but i've already ordered it.
Notice one thing , i've noticed it 5 years ago in cs:go , when you play warmup it's a lot smoother , hit registration is better, mouse input is better, once it goes live , the movement feels like it's decreased instantly and valve's vprofilite which is in-game fps benchmark running in backround that shows you avg and 1 % lows in console when game ends will start on, idk, maybe it's triggering sata driver which can lead to unstable increased dma requests?, obviously im not saying vproflite is the issue but could be the indicator that shows up a bug in driver when higher i/o activity is used . Also , recording a demo makes things a lot worse, also in cs 1.6.
And you jterri can u explain what is the term "Clean electricity?" , stop making up terms , electricity is not problem, it started literally instantly when i changed motherboard.
i believe we're simply dealing with race conditions on dma level

[jterri]

You’re supposed to get a completely new setup after moving. PC equipment gets perma degradation or damage from dirty electricity, so the only way to fix that is by getting a completely new setup. If you don’t want to get a new setup, then just get a new PSU, CPU, Motherboard, Mouse, Keyboard and Monitor since all of these are degraded. This issue has a legit 1 out of 900,000,000 chance of happening to anyone ESPECIALLY after moving houses. If you’re still getting issues after moving, the issue is just your setup… literally.

If the parts were damaged, then I shouldn’t have been able to play smoothly for 2–3 days, right? Everything was normal for 2–3 days, and then it got worse afterwards.

That most likely happened because when you moved, your equipment got exposed to the clean electricity of your house for a couple days and that clean electricity cleaned your components. But because your equipment already got damaged by the dirty electricity of your old house from either EMI/RFI or voltage fluctuation, your equipment has a hard time keeping a stable voltage causing the same issues that occurred at your old house to come back. When you were at your older house, you bought a new CPU that solved your input lag issue for 2-3 days meaning that the dirty electricity was causing a CPU issue that messed the rest of your setup up. When you bought your new CPU, that CPU hadn’t been exposed to dirty electricity yet causing everything to run smoothly but after a couple days dirty electricity slowly started hitting your CPU again bringing back your issues.

i've upgraded to 9800x3d and the problem is still there but much more better and stable. I've noticed disabling legacy usb on this platform is first time i see slightly better difference when changing this option. However the best thing i've did is tightening secondary timings , on-die termination and surprisngly not using onboard lan. : Intel 82580 Gigabit Network Connection pci-x with msi-x and i don't have the fucking sluggish slow movement when using this, which makes me wonder if this could be an actually driver issue with dma , since dma bus don't exist anymore (comparing to d875pbz which was the last board i didnt have problem on lol) every device is allowed to bus master. Also i'm waiting true ehci 2.0 usb card adapter altrough i would say i dont need it atm, but i've already ordered it.
Notice one thing , i've noticed it 5 years ago in cs:go , when you play warmup it's a lot smoother , hit registration is better, mouse input is better, once it goes live , the movement feels like it's decreased instantly and valve's vprofilite which is in-game fps benchmark running in backround that shows you avg and 1 % lows in console when game ends will start on, idk, maybe it's triggering sata driver which can lead to unstable increased dma requests?, obviously im not saying vproflite is the issue but could be the indicator that shows up a bug in driver when higher i/o activity is used . Also , recording a demo makes things a lot worse, also in cs 1.6.
And you jterri can u explain what is the term "Clean electricity?" , stop making up terms , electricity is not problem, it started literally instantly when i changed motherboard.
i believe we're simply dealing with race conditions on dma level

Everyone is dealing with different issues. Your issue looks like a CPU and Motherboard issue… not electricity, so you’re gonna have to figure that out on your own or get someone who is struggling with the same issue and help each other out.