Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Caronizeeee » 02 Apr 2022, 19:44

Guys, I'm thinking of upgrading my Alienware AW2518HF 240hz. I would like a monitor with less motion blur and I was in doubt between the XL2546k from Benq and the XV252Q F from Acer (Aopen). I know they both have technology to reduce motion blur. Is Dyac+ MUCH better than the XV252Q F's VRB? Does 390hz make A LOT of difference compared to Benq's 240? I would like to be able to move the screen quickly and see as much information as possible, without blurring. What would be the best choice?

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by tlp » 03 Apr 2022, 04:55

axaro1 wrote:
01 Apr 2022, 03:13
Anyway, here's the Crosstalk test at 240hz with 1950VT:
Thank you for shooting and posting the video! It looked quite a bit better than what I was seeing, and I could get pretty close with my own unit by lowering the contrast setting.

However yours looks slightly cleaner, which i'd imagine I could chalk up to unit variation or simply room temperature variation as I have a bit more overshoot on mine.
axaro1 wrote:
01 Apr 2022, 03:13
I didn't find a limit to Pixel Clock when tweaking HT, I just tested my previous 390hz timings with 1200VT and 2000HT but replaced 2000HT with 3000HT approaching 1400Mhz pixel clock and it didn't go out of range.
In my experience the values shown in nvcp sometimes simply dont update and other times shows values based on some earlier configuration, so it'll show 1400kHz pixel clock in nvcp but the monitor reports a different much lower value when actually testing it. I've also seen the values for pixel clock and horizontal scan frequency trade places.

I want to make it clear that I am not trying to undermine any findings or experiences you have, and I am sorry if it ever came across as such. I just want to help by adding my own findings.
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02 Apr 2022, 19:44
Guys, I'm thinking of upgrading my Alienware AW2518HF 240hz. I would like a monitor with less motion blur and I was in doubt between the XL2546k from Benq and the XV252Q F from Acer (Aopen). I know they both have technology to reduce motion blur. Is Dyac+ MUCH better than the XV252Q F's VRB? Does 390hz make A LOT of difference compared to Benq's 240? I would like to be able to move the screen quickly and see as much information as possible, without blurring. What would be the best choice?
tldr: MY EXPERIENCE is that the 390hz IPS FEELS better, while the 240hz TN PERFORMS better. I think you might get what you want from simply switching to a faster panel(lower response times). If you want to use some version of Dyac+/VRB make sure you can maintain atleast fps=hz or higher, if your fps is lower than your monitors hz when using motion blur reduction modes it will introduce double-images.

I've had the XV252Q F for a couple months now, coming from a 240hz TN monitor(HP Omen X 25f). At this point in time, and with only these 2 monitors for reference, I don't think I could recommend a 240hz+ IPS panel to anyone who highly prioritizes their in-game performance, even though I would easily have recommended it when I first bought it. However the AOC 24G2ZU and the Viewsonic XG2431 might change my tune if I ever get a chance to try them.

The 390hz feels quite a bit snappier and smoother, especially when going back down to 240hz, however I simply perform better with the 240hz TN panel.

Even though the XV252Q F on 390hz looks very clean on testufo compared to the X 25f on 240hz, when actually in-game it's not so cut and dry for me. I have a significantly easier time with "target acquisition" and keeping track of enemies in close-quarter-combat when using the X 25f, it's not that I "can't see" when using the XV252Q F at 390hz, but it sure feels like i can't.

I actually feel like and believe that I perform better with the XV252Q F set to 144hz rather than 240hz or higher, be it placebo or not. Maybe the relationship between response time and refreshrate is more important than I thought.

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by krypton61 » 03 Apr 2022, 08:37

Caronizeeee wrote:
02 Apr 2022, 19:44
Guys, I'm thinking of upgrading my Alienware AW2518HF 240hz. I would like a monitor with less motion blur and I was in doubt between the XL2546k from Benq and the XV252Q F from Acer (Aopen). I know they both have technology to reduce motion blur. Is Dyac+ MUCH better than the XV252Q F's VRB? Does 390hz make A LOT of difference compared to Benq's 240? I would like to be able to move the screen quickly and see as much information as possible, without blurring. What would be the best choice?
I had this exact alienware monitor. I was thinking of upgrading to the XL2546k but felt stupid since both monitors are already 240hz. I upgraded to the XV252QF and can clearly say the monitor does feel smoother and better compared to the 240hz. The only thing i do not like is the fact that the vrb on extreme lowers the brightness too much for me and i use vrb on normal setting.

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Discorz » 03 Apr 2022, 09:12

krypton61 wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 08:37
i use vrb on normal setting.
VRB Normal is 75-80% duty cycle and basically nonbenefitial, especially at such high refresh rate. At this point it just becomes an unnecessary pwm like flicker. It needs to be at least 40-50%. Do you notice any difference between VRB OFF and Normal?
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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Inco^ » 03 Apr 2022, 12:02

For what it's worth, when I first tried VRB=extreme, the brightness was indeed much lower, and I couldn't stand it, and I reverted back to VRB=Normal. But a few months later, I gave VRB=extreme a try once again. And surprisingly, it felt ok. And probably, it's just a matter of being used to the brightness level. After each computer restart, it sets again to VRB=OFF and I quickly set it to VRB=extreme to not get accustomed to the higher brightness. So what I'm saying is that I'm using VRB=extreme for a while now although I used to not stand it.
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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Refull » 03 Apr 2022, 12:11

I use the vrb on extreme but I use a third party program to make it brither in csgo

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Caronizeeee » 03 Apr 2022, 15:00

Thanks everyone for the explanation. Today I have very strong hardware, and I play Valorant, my main game, for example, at an average of 500+ constant fps. I hear that Dyac+ performance on Benq XL2546k is superior to other monitors, like XV252QF with VRB. This is a fact? But it seems that if I go from one 240hz to another, I won't be evolving and paying a much higher value in the exchange. I don't know what would be the best exchange option for me. I'm from Brazil too, and some options don't have it here. Which one would you advise me to, for me to really see a performance increase, since I always play well above the monitor's refresh rate.

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Caronizeeee » 04 Apr 2022, 02:28

I'm confused, I see some say that the IPS 390hz Acer with VRB can still be sharper, in the ufo test and with less ghosting than the XL2546k with Dyac+ is this correct? Other people say the opposite. Is there any answer, or can this vary from "eye to eye"?

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Discorz » 04 Apr 2022, 03:00

Caronizeeee wrote:
04 Apr 2022, 02:28
I'm confused, I see some say that the IPS 390hz Acer with VRB can still be sharper, in the ufo test and with less ghosting than the XL2546k with Dyac+ is this correct? Other people say the opposite. Is there any answer, or can this vary from "eye to eye"?
Here. Which one does look better, cleaner or sharper to you?

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And here 240 vs 240.

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Caronizeeee » 04 Apr 2022, 03:26

Discorz wrote:
04 Apr 2022, 03:00
Caronizeeee wrote:
04 Apr 2022, 02:28
I'm confused, I see some say that the IPS 390hz Acer with VRB can still be sharper, in the ufo test and with less ghosting than the XL2546k with Dyac+ is this correct? Other people say the opposite. Is there any answer, or can this vary from "eye to eye"?
Here. Which one does look better, cleaner or sharper to you?

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And here 240 vs 240.

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It can all be a matter of personal taste and judging by an image, it wouldn't be the same feeling to use the monitor, right? The hardest thing about choosing a new monitor is being able to test it.

Assuming that the tests were done under the same conditions, in the first image, without any motion blur reduction technology, I would say that the XL2546K brings a sharper image and some trailing/ghosting, noticeable in the balls under the UFO, is less blurry. Aopen/Acer brings a slightly blurrier image, but with less ghosting. What do you think? Is that what your eyes see too? However, the image brightness of the XL2546K is much higher than in the Aopen/Acer test.

In the tests of the second image, "NON-STROBED" I see a very blurry image, and here it seems to me that the XL2546K has a bigger ghosting/trail? And on the side, with Dyac+/VRB on, I see a bigger ghosting/trail on the XL2546K (the image is brighter, maybe that's it?) but a sharper image compared to the Aopen/Acer. I can see better the details of the three balls below the UFO, which in Aopen/Acer was a little less sharp, more "blurred".

Do you think that way too?

A question that has been bothering me, I currently have an Alienware AW2518HF, and one thing that bothers me a lot is when I move the mouse a little faster in games like Valorant, my eyes hurt/burn a little, I get a little confused. Maybe that's because it doesn't have motion blur reduction technology and everything is kind of blurry?

Thank you so much for helping me, and sorry for my English, I'm from Brazil!!

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