Ty. Just got the monitor. No dead pixels no panel errors no osd button errors, but i cant use this monitor with this brightness. I choose custom purexp on osd littlebit better tryed with disabling eco mode and % 100 brightness still garbage. Is there any way to use this monitor with much more brightness?Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑30 Apr 2024, 20:36Yes, it will include a DP cable (at least it has historically been included)
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Supermodel_Evelynn
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There is actually a warning on Amazon by Amazon themselves against buying the XG2431 due to the high returns they get it's likely due to failure ratexaerock wrote: ↑01 May 2024, 13:15XG2431 I bought in september 2022 developed a defect of horizontal lines forming above and below anything drawing on the screen, including the ViewSonic logo during power on. I see a decent amount of posts of this issue on other boards.
I really enjoy the feature set of the monitor. Like I happened to post here earlier the blur reduction with custom QFT can be great at 60-100hz, a nice CRT replacement. But I wonder how long the average XG2431 lasts/return rate.
Interestingly on my unit theproblem has so far been essentially unnoticeable when running at stock 240hz or custom resolutions with maxed out vertical total/pixel clock. At first I thought this might be a strange issue with my PC POST screen. The issue really appears at stock lower hz, or plugged into a console where the screen becomes unusable as it gets filled with horizontal lines that stack up on top of eachother and dont disappear.
If the RMA process goes well from ViewSonic I might replace my 2nd monitor with another XG2431 or splurge on a XG272-2K OLED (BlurBusters verified..?), but better wait for reviews on the latter.
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With that said this warning isn't exclusive to Viewsonic, there are quite a number of high end Samsung monitors with the same high failure rate.
Regardless there is nothing we can do but buy and hope it works out cause this is the only 60hz strobed monitor available.
With that said I noticed that modern fighting games or games locked to 60 FPS doesn't really play well with 60hz strobing in the sense that games nowadays are actually designed with motion blur in mind
However if you enable Lossless_Scaling App to interpolate to 120 FPS it solves all the issues when strobing the addition of the extra animation from interpolation makes the movements in street fighter 6 appear to smooth and buttery.
At 60 HZ it looks extremely jittery when doing fast moves, remember modern games are designed with motion blur to compensate for this.
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With any interpolation tech you're introduced to increased input latency and visual artifacts. Both are undesirable for a fighting game. What your issue might actually be is the v-sync many fighting games implement to cap frames. This in engine v-sync can be turned off on some games in their .ini. then use another limiter such as Special K or rtss. Capcom vs Marvel 3 done this way was incredibly fluid and flawless at 60hz with the backlight strobing.
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Not with the purexp mode on. Just play in the dark and you'll get used to it.Lev1n wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 11:04Ty. Just got the monitor. No dead pixels no panel errors no osd button errors, but i cant use this monitor with this brightness. I choose custom purexp on osd littlebit better tryed with disabling eco mode and % 100 brightness still garbage. Is there any way to use this monitor with much more brightness?Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑30 Apr 2024, 20:36Yes, it will include a DP cable (at least it has historically been included)
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Supermodel_Evelynn
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Chief Blur Buster Admin explained this a while back, basically the LEDs in the XG2431 is being displayed at twice the max brightness so this monitor does 340 nits standard mode without any strobing.Lev1n wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 11:04Ty. Just got the monitor. No dead pixels no panel errors no osd button errors, but i cant use this monitor with this brightness. I choose custom purexp on osd littlebit better tryed with disabling eco mode and % 100 brightness still garbage. Is there any way to use this monitor with much more brightness?Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑30 Apr 2024, 20:36Yes, it will include a DP cable (at least it has historically been included)
So when strobing is enabled the LEDs run at 680 Nits this is 2X max brightness however on the brightest strobing mode it's only giving you 200 nits now why is this?
Because the LEDs are turned off to hide the pixel ghosting so your eyes cannot see it. To try and compensate for this the LEDs are turning on and off extremely quickly and running twice the voltage however running twice the voltage is not going to do much if the LEDs are off 70% of the time.
BenQ solves this with 4 X Voltage on the Zowie so the Zowie monitors are around 1200 Nits so when they flash and turn off you can get an effective brightness of 300 nits, this is incredibly good but it would also be a nightmare at 60 HZ think of that nasty flicker
The aim of the XG2431 was 0 cross talk at 60HZ and for that you want LESS brightness unless you want to die from flicker.
Also Viewsonic REFUSED to allow more than 2X CREE LED Voltage due to warranty issues and the fact that it degrades the brightness of LED much quicker. 2X Voltage was the only safe method that would allow the monitor to lose only a small amount of brightness in 5 years of use compared to Zowie.
It is what it is, maybe if we are lucky there will be better technology for brighter LEDs
PS: You get used to the dimmer screen fairly quickly as your eyes adjust to it.
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I will try to get used to it. I dont have headache for 5-6 days and my eyes are not filled with blood. Games are same didnt lose anything at performance based.Supermodel_Evelynn wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 19:47Chief Blur Buster Admin explained this a while back, basically the LEDs in the XG2431 is being displayed at twice the max brightness so this monitor does 340 nits standard mode without any strobing.Lev1n wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 11:04Ty. Just got the monitor. No dead pixels no panel errors no osd button errors, but i cant use this monitor with this brightness. I choose custom purexp on osd littlebit better tryed with disabling eco mode and % 100 brightness still garbage. Is there any way to use this monitor with much more brightness?Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑30 Apr 2024, 20:36Yes, it will include a DP cable (at least it has historically been included)
So when strobing is enabled the LEDs run at 680 Nits this is 2X max brightness however on the brightest strobing mode it's only giving you 200 nits now why is this?
Because the LEDs are turned off to hide the pixel ghosting so your eyes cannot see it. To try and compensate for this the LEDs are turning on and off extremely quickly and running twice the voltage however running twice the voltage is not going to do much if the LEDs are off 70% of the time.
BenQ solves this with 4 X Voltage on the Zowie so the Zowie monitors are around 1200 Nits so when they flash and turn off you can get an effective brightness of 300 nits, this is incredibly good but it would also be a nightmare at 60 HZ think of that nasty flicker
The aim of the XG2431 was 0 cross talk at 60HZ and for that you want LESS brightness unless you want to die from flicker.
Also Viewsonic REFUSED to allow more than 2X CREE LED Voltage due to warranty issues and the fact that it degrades the brightness of LED much quicker. 2X Voltage was the only safe method that would allow the monitor to lose only a small amount of brightness in 5 years of use compared to Zowie.
It is what it is, maybe if we are lucky there will be better technology for brighter LEDs
PS: You get used to the dimmer screen fairly quickly as your eyes adjust to it.
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Its been 15 days im using xg2431 still cant get used to low brightness. I have purexp on light. If anyone have good settings for better brightness can i get these settings?
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Supermodel_Evelynn
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welp I also agree, I disabled pure XP and also I can't stand using anything without VRR.
With that said if you can manage to get 240 FPS consistent you will never need to enable Pure XP
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Can you share your settings? If i disable purexp i get eyestrain, blood on my eyes and headache.Supermodel_Evelynn wrote: ↑31 May 2024, 19:51welp I also agree, I disabled pure XP and also I can't stand using anything without VRR.
With that said if you can manage to get 240 FPS consistent you will never need to enable Pure XP
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Supermodel_Evelynn
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Then you will need to see a doctor ASAPLev1n wrote: ↑01 Jun 2024, 06:15Can you share your settings? If i disable purexp i get eyestrain, blood on my eyes and headache.Supermodel_Evelynn wrote: ↑31 May 2024, 19:51welp I also agree, I disabled pure XP and also I can't stand using anything without VRR.
With that said if you can manage to get 240 FPS consistent you will never need to enable Pure XP
And there is no settings to share if you disable pure XP
I use Pure XP for fighting games to get strobing since 60 FPS is easy to achieve. I also use lossless_scaling App for 120 FPS interpolation so I won't have to deal with shitty flicker and blurry 60 FPS even with strobing 60 FPS looks like shit compared to 120
For games that have unlocked FPS I just run it at 240 FPS / 240 HZ if I can maintain it anyways
The biggest impact from strobing is from 60 HZ to 120 HZ, from 240 HZ to 500 HZ there is diminishing return like a lot.
Sure if you use a blur buster test you can clearly tell 240 HZ / 240 FPS kinda sucks and 1000 HZ / 1000 FPS would be the real end game.
But real world gaming I am completely fine with 240 FPS if I could maintain it.
I would easily take a 240 HZ OLED Glossy Coating Asus WOLED monitor with good HDR capability over a shitty 1000 HZ IPS / TN anyday and I think any sane person would agree. With that said I think IPS still has it's place which is GOOD BRIGHT Strobing WITH G-SYNC Pulsar meaning strobing with VRR enabled.
Most people in our lifetime will never own a PC capable of playing games at 1000 FPS unless you plan to stick strictly to playing Valorant, League of Legends, Overwatch and CS GO and even then you need an extremely expensive PC that sucks LOT of power to get anywhere near 500 FPS let alone 1000.
So for games I am lucky enough to maintain 120 FPS give me good BRIGHT strobing GLOSSY Coating with MPRT of 1000 HZ and VRR function AND Mini LED local diming at the same time and I will gladly take that over 1000 HZ monitors anyday.
I will even trade an OLED if someone can actually make bright 300 nit strobed IPS with local dimming and VRR same time.
