My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Z3CrosS » 23 Jul 2024, 03:06

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by ChristophSmaul1337 » 23 Jul 2024, 06:26

Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
Its only you who advises people dangerous things with electric outlet and overal with playing with electricity
You sure about that?
ChristophSmaul1337 wrote:
19 Jul 2024, 19:04
I've said it before, and I'm saying it again: Don't stick measuring devices into your electrical panel, or anywhere near live voltage. DO NOT DO IT. One wrong move can literally kill you.
Sounds quite the opposite to me. But in case it wasn't clear enough, no, I'm not advising people to do dangerous things with their electric outlet.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
Why the hell i need to play with grounding with outlet to play CS GO
You don't. Counter-question: Why the hell do I need to play with my license key to play CS:GO? What if I don't have one? Windows runs just fine without a key. What about people with genuine keys? I'll take a bet that at some point somebody with a genuine key has come across these problems. It doesn't add up.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
Uneducated - it's not a blame, its a fact for many reasons
So if it's an actual fact that I'm uneducated, what's my certificates about? I think the closest thing you can get to proving for a fact that you're not uneducated is official documents showing that you are, in fact, educated.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
But if you still want sweet PC, so you have to read books or took some college courses, but surelly not here in finding the solution.
Great. Name the college courses that I'd have to visit, or the books I'd have to read to build a computer "correctly".
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
because here i'm not suppose to prove something to anyone
Understandable. But what you're also not here to is to put your opinion as a fact and dismiss every other opinion and suggestion, and then clowning on all the other users like they're some sort of lunatics.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
To be precise its damaged North Bridge inside CPU
If the NB is damaged, the whole CPU won't work anymore. One singular damaged transistor is more than enough to prevent the entire computer from turning on.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
Bad Lod caused by damaged CPU.
LOD, as in "Level of Detail" is a setting controlled by games and/or the graphics driver.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
but GPU connects to PCH too
Show me a document or a statement from any AMD/NVIDIA/Intel engineer that proves this.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
For example sometime you open folder with alot of thumbnails and you see big latencies with pops files-preview or you watch youtube videos and playback sudennly could be stopped like you has bad internet.
Yup. Happens on this PC, I'm doing it right now. Yet I'm able to play games just fine since swapping out my PSU. Maybe these aren't an indication of something latency related, but the slow loading of thumbnails is a Windows thing that happens all the time, and YouTube playback stopping could be related to literally a million different things, like internet, routing, the YouTube server being slow, ...
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
but those are not drivers actually its a path for OS to properly communicate with this subsystem.
You can run stock Windows without ever installing chipset drivers just fine. If you don't connect the internet it can't even install any drivers. Yet everything works just fine and your OS can communicate with anything connected to the chipset without any problem.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
OS configuers hole hardware
The hardware isn't configured by the OS. The hardware is configured by its microcode and by the settings you apply in BIOS.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
they are work with faults and on faults to prevent big stutters and frequent bsods by disabling faulty blocks.
Which, if true, would mean that you'd be able to see deteriorated performance in benchmarks. Can you? I can't. My hardware performs up to spec with any PSU, but games are desynced with most of them. How come?
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
The worst part is that inadequate CPU could do tons of bad things, depends of a CPU damage
A damaged CPU won't turn on. You can't half-damage a transistor. It's either working, or it isn't.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
Laptops are very restrictive to OS and keys.
I can easily pull out any laptop right now and install any OS with any licence on it no problem. They're not some magic box, they have a hard disk or SSD in them just like a desktop.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
On these PCs at 99% in event viewer -> system you will not find any signs of booted Monitor driver task - but it must be
By this logic, 99% of systems have latency issues. Yeah, I'd bet a good chunk of change that this isn't the case.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
even if cache would be damaged inside CPU it would still operate stable
How? The CPU can't "know" that a section is damaged. In case the CPU wants to write to that damaged address, or read from it, it will inevitably crash.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
but remember there is no darth vader within power outlet
And he also isn't inside your CPU, preventing it from writing data to a damaged cache section. Or disables blocks. Or does anything you described.
Z3CrosS wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 03:06
All you have to do as a User is to make things right from the start
Thank god hardware is so simple to work with. CPU slots in only one way. GPU can go in only one way. RAM the same story. You can't F it up. It's not hard and my grandma could do it. There's a good reason for this. You'd guess the manufacturers of these things don't like dealing with RMAs or users damaging stuff by handling it wrong. Ask anybody involved in the design of hardware components and they'll tell you it's in their very best interest to guide people as well as humanly possible towards building their PC right. PCs have come so far and they're so damn fool-proof nowadays. You'd think - if your thesis was actually proven fact - that a CPU manufacturer would figuratively scream at you with a HUGE red letter inside your CPU package warning you about using any OS other than genuine Windows. After all, they don't want their CPUs bricked or "damaged". If this really was the case and it would be so simple to damage your components, there would very, very certainly be safeguards in place preventing you from entering some bogus key in the first place. But it's not, because again, if your CPU would actually get damaged, it won't turn on at all.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by dervu » 23 Jul 2024, 16:08

Whether what Z3CrosS says is true or false doesn't matter.

Why even try to discredit other people's observations when you can't even prove your theory in the same way as others with EMI? While it should be much easier to prove it by asking some people with access to a lot of hardware, there is no definitive proof.
But hey, let's tell people that this thing matters, while having lower sample size than people have for EMI related issues, instead of going simpler way by showing this to someone who could reproduce this without risk of spending money for nothing.

Hell, even Gamers Nexus would have a lot of fun proving that broken north bridge thing. While EMI issues can be evident, they are not easy to prove to someone else.

All that matters are observations in a specific case. If a PC consistently shows signs of latency in one place and not in another with no exceptions, then how can it be hardware or software related?"

Do you think no one with those issues has tried buying everything new also with most possible legit software?
Why would anyone repeat steps that do not lead anywhere?

I could as well say, it was already tried and did not solve the issue.
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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Slender » 23 Jul 2024, 16:33

dervu wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 16:08
Whether what Z3CrosS says is true or false doesn't matter.
no, it's important.
this person puts forward a theory that is based on nothing, thereby misleading people on this forum. There is absolutely no evidence for what he is talking about. This man is a Freud.
But besides this, there are issues that are very difficult to relate to electricity, although it may be the root of all problems:
Pop-in textures, all depending on where the player is, I personally see this in all games, sometimes textures disappear when you approach them and appear at a distance (BF/cod).
Low drawing distance, soapy objects and the feeling that the screen is covered with an invisible “film”.
Anti-aliasing works poorly or doesn't work at all, texture edges are very sharp.
Shadows in all games have low rendering; when approaching the shadows, a transparent “square” is visible.
Recently, I tried to connect the PC and monitor to the socet without grounding. Not only did I get a deterioration in everything I wrote, but I also got graphical artifacts in all games and on the desktop, so that the PC was impossible to use. When the grounded socket was returned, the wild intensity disappeared, but did not go away completely.
I think there is less and less doubt that all the problems come from our electricity.
only if this guy doesn't provide evidence, so far all he writes is empty chatter. For some reason he doesn't want to admit it.

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Post by Kipperii » 23 Jul 2024, 18:24

Slender wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 16:33
dervu wrote:
23 Jul 2024, 16:08
Whether what Z3CrosS says is true or false doesn't matter.
no, it's important.
this person puts forward a theory that is based on nothing, thereby misleading people on this forum. There is absolutely no evidence for what he is talking about. This man is a Freud.
But besides this, there are issues that are very difficult to relate to electricity, although it may be the root of all problems:
Pop-in textures, all depending on where the player is, I personally see this in all games, sometimes textures disappear when you approach them and appear at a distance (BF/cod).
Low drawing distance, soapy objects and the feeling that the screen is covered with an invisible “film”.
Anti-aliasing works poorly or doesn't work at all, texture edges are very sharp.
Shadows in all games have low rendering; when approaching the shadows, a transparent “square” is visible.
Recently, I tried to connect the PC and monitor to the socet without grounding. Not only did I get a deterioration in everything I wrote, but I also got graphical artifacts in all games and on the desktop, so that the PC was impossible to use. When the grounded socket was returned, the wild intensity disappeared, but did not go away completely.
I think there is less and less doubt that all the problems come from our electricity.
only if this guy doesn't provide evidence, so far all he writes is empty chatter. For some reason he doesn't want to admit it.
He reminds me of winkli, they are not even competitive players. They just live in their own theories.

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Post by Z3CrosS » 25 Jul 2024, 14:14

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Thatweirdinputlag » 26 Jul 2024, 01:40

This has turned from an informative chill thread into who's the better debate pervert. Fascinating! If it makes any difference at all, I've purchased a genuine windows key from Microsoft.com, after already having a genuine key that appeared to be OEM and not Home use. I thought the OEM Windows key would add some sort of registry line to achieve higher power savings since OEM keys are sold for companies licensing their PC's in bulk. One would assume those PC's will mostly stay on 24/7 and not be critically used for time sensitive applications, so Microsoft sets heavy power saving limits on those systems to achieve their global power consumption reduction.

Well, that was me reasoning with myself on spending an extra $200 on a genuine Home Edition key from Microsoft.com "more expansive where I live". As it turns out, it didn't matter and nothing's really changed.

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Z3CrosS » 26 Jul 2024, 02:23

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Re: My experience with all sorts of Problems regularly mentioned here.

Post by Slender » 26 Jul 2024, 06:16

Z3CrosS wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 02:23
Nice try, no, it wouldnt help to your old/main system, OS wouldnt "heal" damaged hardware, its physically impossible. To all who read my posts, dont rid words from contexts(they are all matters) from my post with solution. Key here is to build new pc (never buy oem prebuilds - it builded by same people as you, but they want to save money, and they use OEM CPUs, you can do better because you do it for yourself), don't connect any old devices to new pc (because these old pcs wrongly works with voltages control), and use stick from retail box on very first hardware configuration (because new hardware must be perfectly configured from the start - this is main goal you have to achieve). Even Microsoft officially posted somewhere long ago, that Retail Windows Box created special for HOME users who wants to build their own PC from various components. And i repeat again buy box from Mic only, not because i'm hard fan, but its 100% safest variant to avoid scum and lose all money in vain (there are tons of fakes around, even trusted vendors could sell counterfiet).
What exactly is damaging the system? Well, if we assume that electricity is damaging the system or say “incorrect installation of the video card or RAM,” how can we be sure that the problem will not return after the “correct” installation. And how does a 'damaged' computer work normally in another place. Because in another apartment it stops being broken or what?

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Post by donktuman » 26 Jul 2024, 07:51

Has anyone actually followed the exact steps this guy suggested?

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