some CS2 Pro/Semi-pro players abusing asymmetric lag?

[cl_predict]

Hey, I've noticed that a lot of really high elo CS2 players are playing / streaming with constant packet loss on upstream or have some weird "receive latency" result on their build info.

On the build info, the first number after the letter is the receive latency. When you are playing with ethernet cable directly to the router, it's around 05 or 07, I checked this on 2 different PCs and all my mates PCs. When you asked those high elo players, they tell you that they also use a direct cable to the router.

• Kyojin (12-30ms receive latency):

  

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• day0s (12ms receive latency):

  

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• Shox (20+% constant upstream jitter/packet loss)

  

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• Olofmeister (12% constant upstream jitter/packet loss) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPABteC64AU

• S1mple (50ms receive latency) https://youtu.be/zsyni09mAqY?feature=shared&t=1654

I've noticed that also on KennyS stream few weeks ago.

What is causing that? All of them use NONE for option "Buffering to smooth over packet loss", this option adds some receive latency when turned to 1 or 2.

What are your result please? Check your build info during a round, after the letter S/V (depending of the server you are on, Valve server (V), Community Dedicated (S)), what is your first number? And what is your setup? Wi-Fi, ethernet cable to router, ethernet cable to powerline adapter?...

More info about the numbers of the build info: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensiv ... _this_sub/

[cl_predict]

Here is the result of me and my friend, 07ms receive latency, 31ms ping, cable to router:

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[cursed-gamer]

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Fiber over cable.

Yeah I saw shox playing with upstream packet loss and I wondered how it's even possible to play like that.

I'm pretty sure network parameters are "assigned" individually. When I play against 3k elo players, bullets seem to connect much much worse and it's not matter of their movement or whatsoever. It's not possible that while I spray I feel like it's connecting from 3rd bullet having low ping and no loss.

[Unreazz]

This is most likely due to the fact that their network works as it should. No interleaving or any other technology line that automates the parameters. The best example is DSL.

Any of you playing with an old DSL line now would have an MS of 50 or constant packet loss like Simple. This is simply proof that the line is being tampered with and the ping really does update every second. With automated lines, the ping stays at a constant number. This is certainly not the case with them

[cursed-gamer]

This is most likely due to the fact that their network works as it should. No interleaving or any other technology line that automates the parameters. The best example is DSL.

Any of you playing with an old DSL line now would have an MS of 50 or constant packet loss like Simple. This is simply proof that the line is being tampered with and the ping really does update every second. With automated lines, the ping stays at a constant number. This is certainly not the case with them

So what you want to say is our Internet connection is too good (or too modern) for competitive gameplay?

[cl_predict]

This is most likely due to the fact that their network works as it should. No interleaving or any other technology line that automates the parameters. The best example is DSL.

Any of you playing with an old DSL line now would have an MS of 50 or constant packet loss like Simple. This is simply proof that the line is being tampered with and the ping really does update every second. With automated lines, the ping stays at a constant number. This is certainly not the case with them

Wdym? S1mple has 50+ receive latency, really not stable, the only way I have similar result is using Wi-Fi, but he is using ethernet, you can see it when he shows his desktop. Also I asked some of them and I have same ISP, same FTTH.

[Unreazz]

This is most likely due to the fact that their network works as it should. No interleaving or any other technology line that automates the parameters. The best example is DSL.

Any of you playing with an old DSL line now would have an MS of 50 or constant packet loss like Simple. This is simply proof that the line is being tampered with and the ping really does update every second. With automated lines, the ping stays at a constant number. This is certainly not the case with them

Wdym? S1mple has 50+ receive latency, really not stable, the only way I have similar result is using Wi-Fi, but he is using ethernet, you can see it when he shows his desktop. Also I asked some of them and I have same ISP, same FTTH.

its not about the ISP, its about the "location" from where you going online since not every infrastructur is the same, you know ? Like you don't have the same parameters, noises on yours like on Simple for example.

Ping/latency is not a indicator anymore for smooth gameplay since VDSL Era, everyone has good ping, but that doesnt means shiet since those comes with new techniq to tinkering with your parameters and this happens automaticly. like ISP's are nowadays are giving you fastpath anymore (No Error Correction)

The circumstances on Simple AREA are not the same as in your AREA. everything differs, from peering to .... simple everything and it doesnt matter if you two have the same ISP or the same Technique line. He could also due to his location changing the ISP, with the same quality of network in gaming, cause of his location.

It's all about the location

[cursed-gamer]

This is most likely due to the fact that their network works as it should. No interleaving or any other technology line that automates the parameters. The best example is DSL.

Any of you playing with an old DSL line now would have an MS of 50 or constant packet loss like Simple. This is simply proof that the line is being tampered with and the ping really does update every second. With automated lines, the ping stays at a constant number. This is certainly not the case with them

Wdym? S1mple has 50+ receive latency, really not stable, the only way I have similar result is using Wi-Fi, but he is using ethernet, you can see it when he shows his desktop. Also I asked some of them and I have same ISP, same FTTH.

its not about the ISP, its about the "location" from where you going online since not every infrastructur is the same, you know ? Like you don't have the same parameters, noises on yours like on Simple for example.

Ping/latency is not a indicator anymore for smooth gameplay since VDSL Era, everyone has good ping, but that doesnt means shiet since those comes with new techniq to tinkering with your parameters and this happens automaticly. like ISP's are nowadays are giving you fastpath anymore (No Error Correction)

The circumstances on Simple AREA are not the same as in your AREA. everything differs, from peering to .... simple everything and it doesnt matter if you two have the same ISP or the same Technique line. He could also due to his location changing the ISP, with the same quality of network in gaming, cause of his location.

It's all about the location

Bro what are you talking about, I played in countless different locations and the result was always the same. It was only better when I played on PC which didn't belong to me. Counter-Strike was a completely different game I had never a chance to experience on my equipment.

[cl_predict]

This is most likely due to the fact that their network works as it should. No interleaving or any other technology line that automates the parameters. The best example is DSL.

Any of you playing with an old DSL line now would have an MS of 50 or constant packet loss like Simple. This is simply proof that the line is being tampered with and the ping really does update every second. With automated lines, the ping stays at a constant number. This is certainly not the case with them

Wdym? S1mple has 50+ receive latency, really not stable, the only way I have similar result is using Wi-Fi, but he is using ethernet, you can see it when he shows his desktop. Also I asked some of them and I have same ISP, same FTTH.

its not about the ISP, its about the "location" from where you going online since not every infrastructur is the same, you know ? Like you don't have the same parameters, noises on yours like on Simple for example.

Ping/latency is not a indicator anymore for smooth gameplay since VDSL Era, everyone has good ping, but that doesnt means shiet since those comes with new techniq to tinkering with your parameters and this happens automaticly. like ISP's are nowadays are giving you fastpath anymore (No Error Correction)

The circumstances on Simple AREA are not the same as in your AREA. everything differs, from peering to .... simple everything and it doesnt matter if you two have the same ISP or the same Technique line. He could also due to his location changing the ISP, with the same quality of network in gaming, cause of his location.

It's all about the location

I don't believe that at all, I also tried A LOT of locations. What explains their receive latency not being around 7ms like EVERYONE else in the world using cable to router? This is what I'm trying to understand.

[Unreazz]

You Guys need to understand that only a few people have the privilig to play on a good stable connection and those are the ones, WHO lives in the right places. ITS Like 80% arround the Globe is shiet and suffering from this. You know why ? Because WE have more bandwith for streaming and stuff even more. WE are Not in 2009 anymore where eyeryone Had only 16 mbits of Download. Time Changes and ISPs Changed Internet too for the majority of customers and those are not gamers.

I have been in countless Locations too and from 10 Locations only 1 was good. So you can Imagine how far you have to Go for this. This ist what im try to Tell you. Its not the Same as it was 10 years ago.

If you say you have been in countless Locations than you have been in Wrong Locations. There was a Video of simple suffering from that too wegen he switched places and everyone suggested him to move Out. If you leave in a good places, never leave from there.

ZINZIRIO WHO Had perfect conditions to Play on His Line ist suffering from that now too, since they Upgrades His streets with Fiber. He ist also on this Forum, Go Look arround His Threads