How I solved my particular input lag,floaty mouse,desync, degraded visuals problem

[Ven]

Here in Mexico, the standard is to connect the neutral and ground at the base of the meter to maintain a 0 V reference and divert stray currents. Now I suspect the connection between neutral and ground may be poor.

I've already solved all the problems by using LiFePO4 batteries, but I'd like to be able to use my home's mains electricity.

If the problem is actually coming from the transformer (my case), bonding neutral and earth at your meter or panel won’t really solve it. That connection only ties them together on your side.

The neutral at the transformer is supposed to be the main reference for the whole line. If that bond at the transformer is loose or resistive, the neutral voltage can drift along the entire feeder. Any bond you make at your house will still be riding that unstable voltage, so you could still see a few volts between neutral and earth when under load.

Basically, a house-side bond only works if the transformer’s neutral is solidly grounded. If the upstream bond is floating, the real fix is for the utility to properly re-earth the transformer neutral.

[MaleGigolo]

I moved to 15 different locations and combined with a friend from Denmark close to 30 different places together. I can confirm once we moved to this place that had a gaming transformer all of our issues went away. Don't give up you just have to keep moving to different places and don't listen to trolls who claim that if you move to 30+ different places that it is statistically impossible to keep having this problem. Just unlucky keep moving and hope you get a non-floating gaming transformer.

[Ven]

I moved to 15 different locations and combined with a friend from Denmark close to 30 different places together. I can confirm once we moved to this place that had a gaming transformer all of our issues went away. Don't give up you just have to keep moving to different places and don't listen to trolls who claim that if you move to 30+ different places that it is statistically impossible to keep having this problem. Just unlucky keep moving and hope you get a non-floating gaming transformer.

Then this doesn’t concern you brother — keep moving.
This discussion is for people who’ve already exhausted every other possibility — full hardware replacements, network troubleshooting, clean installs, power isolation, the works.
We’re not guessing here, we’re documenting a repeatable, verifiable pattern that still persists beyond normal troubleshooting scope.
And for the record, many people have resolved this after addressing Neutral grounding issues, so the electrical side is very much relevant here.

[MaleGigolo]

I moved to 15 different locations and combined with a friend from Denmark close to 30 different places together. I can confirm once we moved to this place that had a gaming transformer all of our issues went away. Don't give up you just have to keep moving to different places and don't listen to trolls who claim that if you move to 30+ different places that it is statistically impossible to keep having this problem. Just unlucky keep moving and hope you get a non-floating gaming transformer.

Then this doesn’t concern you brother — keep moving.
This discussion is for people who’ve already exhausted every other possibility — full hardware replacements, network troubleshooting, clean installs, power isolation, the works.
We’re not guessing here, we’re documenting a repeatable, verifiable pattern that still persists beyond normal troubleshooting scope.
And for the record, many people have resolved this after addressing Neutral grounding issues, so the electrical side is very much relevant here.

I was one of the first people to report this issue back on Github around 2012. You are here 14 years later talking about transformers, use the search function in the top right corner and you will see that people have already talked about transformers and that you are 5 years late to the party.

Also , it is not just me and a guy from Denmark who moved - I know many other users like @Palacko who is also on this forum and he moved 4+ times *10 different countries. I'm really curious how do you explain that people moved 70+ times (without exaggaration) and didn't come across this magical gaming transformer? Do you know the odds of that? I would like to hear your explanation.

[MaleGigolo]

@Ven

"And for the record, many people have resolved this after addressing Neutral grounding issues, so the electrical side is very much relevant here."

So who are those users? Show me evidence. Let's see if you are going to ignore this question.

[MK92]

You have MANY users here - including me - which PCs are working perfectly fine at the first other location we try outside of our home, so yes the issue is clearly electricity related, at least for 90% of us. Basically in almost every thread in this section, the OP mentions that they tried it at different location and works fine there.

It is statistically not possible that you tried many different PCs at many many locations, even in several different countries, and have problems. Maybe the problem is in your head, and you *think* that you have problems, while your PC is working as it should.
Or you are within those 0,01% people who actually have problems because of static electricity produced by body, which no one else here have because we have actual electricity issues.

Specifically, we have problems with phasing (single or two phases are causing problems in older apartments), PC on the same circuit as oven / fridge / AC etc., grounding issues, neutral wire issues, harmonics / interharmonics, too low voltage, voltage fluctuations, electromagnetic interference (EMI), and radio frequency interference (RFI). All of those produce identical problems due to error-correction (ECC) latencies in computer.

And some of those issues cannot be fixed on your own - you need a power company to fix it.

[MaleGigolo]

You have MANY users here - including me - which PCs are working perfectly fine at the first other location we try outside of our home, so yes the issue is clearly electricity related, at least for 90% of us. Basically in almost every thread in this section, the OP mentions that they tried it at different location and works fine there.

It is statistically not possible that you tried many different PCs at many many locations, even in several different countries, and have problems. Maybe the problem is in your head, and you *think* that you have problems, while your PC is working as it should.
Or you are within those 0,01% people who actually have problems because of static electricity produced by body, which no one else here have because we have actual electricity issues.

Specifically, we have problems with phasing (single or two phases are causing problems in older apartments), PC on the same circuit as oven / fridge / AC etc., grounding issues, neutral wire issues, harmonics / interharmonics, too low voltage, voltage fluctuations, electromagnetic interference (EMI), and radio frequency interference (RFI). All of those produce identical problems due to error-correction (ECC) latencies in computer.

And some of those issues cannot be fixed on your own - you need a power company to fix it.

No, you have many users who only temporarily stayed somewhere and that is not enough evidence to confirm that the issue is not there. I know from my own experience after moving so many times that it takes time for this issue to come back, when you move to a new apartment or when you get a new PC it can take up to a week or two for the issue to come back. Also a lot of users like you like to LIE A LOT to confirm their own delusions. Give me just 1 user who solved this problem by moving? I don't need video proof, if someone solved this problem they could just show their for example FACEIT profile and change in their K/D/A and that would suffice. But crickets.


I don't care if you don't believe me that I moved 15+ times but I like how you purposely ignored the fact that it is not just me who moved but like many other users as well. I know logic is not something you are good at but since the original Steam "CS Isn't smooth" thread (2009) no one ever has come out and said that they solved it by moving out. Do they all have problems in their head as well?

If you are questioning my skills or if the problem is in my head;

I've reached Tekken God in Tekken 8 in just few months of playing ranked and can consistently react to 18-19f moves and break 90% of the throws. And that is while dealing with MASSIVE input lag and consistent input drops. How do I know for a fact it is not in my head? Because during the day I don't even bother playing games competitively, because during the day I can't even react to 30-40f moves. I can ONLY play games during the night because that is the only time when my PC works somewhat normal. In Rocket League I once dropped all the way from C2 to Silver because I decided to play ranked during the day. If you are familiar with any of those games you would know that being this inconsistent is simply impossible.

I'll be moving to a brand new house in few months so hopefully 16th time's the charm- This time I hope to get a gaming transformer or to finally get rid of this source of magical interference that no Spectrum Analyzer and Oscilloscope could detect.

[MK92]

Well apparently your problem is obviously network-related then, if you have only bad mouse movements in games and nothing else, then this is not electricity related, but packet loses / bad routing to game servers by your country's ISPs.

Some of us have much bigger problems than just floaty mouse in games, because mouse is shit in desktop as well, degraded visual quality of the monitor, blurry and jagged text, big stuttering of every single windows animation etc., it feels just like you would have a 50hz monitor and 20+ year old CPU - NOT just in games, but in general.

And you said you cannot play over the day, so I assume it works fine at night - exactly, because at night it works well for almost all of us. Why? Because either the internet network gird, or electrical grid, is way overloaded during the day, but during the night it is reduced and works fine. Simple, the most logical and probably correct explanation, and not some magical stuff transmitted by our bodies.

And since money is obviosly not a problem for you if you can move 15+ times just because of floaty mouse (I cannot afford to move not even once - here in EU, we actually own houses / apartments, I cannot just wake up one day and decide to buy a new apartment at those ridiculous high property prices), you should try to buy your own diesel electricity generator instead, and connect your PC, monitor and modem to it so they would be fully isolated from the house electrical grid. If this doesn't fix your problem, then it's network related.

[MaleGigolo]

Well apparently your problem is obviously network-related then, if you have only bad mouse movements in games and nothing else, then this is not electricity related, but packet loses / bad routing to game servers by your country's ISPs.

Some of us have much bigger problems than just floaty mouse in games, because mouse is shit in desktop as well, degraded visual quality of the monitor, blurry and jagged text, big stuttering of every single windows animation etc., it feels just like you would have a 50hz monitor and 20+ year old CPU - NOT just in games, but in general.

And you said you cannot play over the day, so I assume it works fine at night - exactly, because at night it works well for almost all of us. Why? Because either the internet network gird, or electrical grid, is way overloaded during the day, but during the night it is reduced and works fine. Simple, the most logical and probably correct explanation, and not some magical stuff transmitted by our bodies.

And since money is obviosly not a problem for you if you can move 15+ times just because of floaty mouse (I cannot afford to move not even once - here in EU, we actually own houses / apartments, I cannot just wake up one day and decide to buy a new apartment at those ridiculous high property prices), you should try to buy your own diesel electricity generator instead, and connect your PC, monitor and modem to it so they would be fully isolated from the house electrical grid. If this doesn't fix your problem, then it's network related.

What are you even talking about? Who said my issues are network related and that I only have bad mouse movement and nothing else? You didn't discover anything new here genius- PC working better at night does indicate that it is related to grid congestion and I have known that for a decade. But guess what? I moved to 15 different apartments. After moving so many times every NORMAL human being in my place would also figure out that the problem is caused by something else. How difficult is that for you people to understand?


I'll also explain to you concept of moving for better working conditions. When a new job offers better salary, most people move to a new location because most jobs you don't work from home. Now that you understand concept you might figure out that moving 15 times in over a decade doesn't seem that far-fetched.

You don't have to tell me anything I was doing real life tests before you even knew this problem existed- But yes I was running battery powered devices including a Steam Deck and a laptop and it made no difference. I have to add that the problem was also present in the BIOS so it must be ISP/Network related like you said. Thank you for your brilliant advice.

[MK92]

Well for me - and many others - it works fine at other location, at one location I even tested for well over 24 hours and it was still working perferctly fine, and I bet that if I would test for 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, the problem would never return - because the electricity is fine, so there is nothing that can cause problems. And I also have this problem in BIOS, so...

And where do you even live, North Korea? If 15 apartments have this problem, then the entire country might have shit electrical grid. Don't you think that if what you're saying is true, then there would be 1,000,000 people affected by this in your country alone, and this problem would be all over the internet? 15 different locations, many different PCs with different parts, and still problems? Really? But only you, and no one else in your country have those problems? What are the chances for that to happen?

And regarding a laptop - you tried it with a battery only, or did you run a laptop while having it plugged into a wall socket? None of the electrical problems can be stored into a battery in any form, so this is the ultimate test if you have problems with electricity or not. For me, it works perfectly from a battery, but if I remove the battery and run it with a power cord, it have exactly the same problems as PC - it cannot get more clear that the problem is electrical then.