Sharing 4 years of my experience.

[elitehadok]

Try uninstalling the AMD chipset driver

[BARGHEST]

The issue:
Game feels unsmooth despite high fps, 600 fps feels like 60 shaking the mouse or looking around etc. This affects mouse inputs and makes the game unplayable. As if I'm always trying to keep up to a laggy game every time I try to aim. The display is 'stroby'. If I shake my camera looking at a bot, the view gets so choppy that the bot multiplies to 3, and this applies to everything on my screen.

Specs:
AMD system
CPU: 7800x3d
GPU: 9070XT
Mobo: ASUS TUF B6560M PLUS
RAM: Kingston Fury beast CL30 6000MT

Things I have tried, I know and where I'm at:
- I've tried %90 of windows tweaks on the internet.
- 23h2,24h2,25h2. Normie install, clean install, post install debloat, autounattend debloated install, valleyofdoom/amit way of install...
- Tried Linux Cachyos, same thing. It's not OS.
- I've bought the Fiberoptic DP cable.
- I've bought a double conversion UPS.
- I've bought a new GPU. (from 3060 to 9070XT)
- I've bought a new monitor (from Viewsonic XG2401 144hz to XL2566X+ 400hz)
- I've bought a pciex1 Intel NIC. Didn't make difference. (Onboard is realtek 2.5g) (and yes I tried netadaptercx driver) game feels the same internet unplugged, although mouse input gets better on desktop, jittery frames stay the same.
- I tried %90 of different BIOS settings combinations.
- tuned RAM, JEDEC RAM, 1 stick, 1 & 3 slot, buildzoid timings etc.
- I tried many BIOS versions.
- Freesync,vsync,antilag
- I've swapped my router with a 5G cellular router
- I've tried the recent iGPU method, helped raw inputs, view is the same.
- I've dismantled and rebuilt the PC multiple times. Disconnected all front panel USB ports. Disabled all USB3.2 ports and only using 4 USB ports. (mouse & kb on CPU, mic & headset on chipset)
- I've tried bottom slot pcie for gpu & nvme. Also lowering GEN speed in the bios.
- Gpu drivers, chipset drivers, no chipset drivers, partially picked chipset drivers..

I will vent here:
This is all I can think of right now. I'm battling with this for 4 years now. I've been reading this forum for a long time, trying things on my end, hoping to find a fix and experimenting. I'm really tired at this point and started to lose hope, hence why I'm making this post. I'm considering buying an Intel CPU (probably 270k plus) and a mobo as a last effort. As I don't know what's left to even do at this point. I've never used Intel, my old setup was AM4.

This issue started as just floaty mouse back then, I was playing CS. Now today I don't have floaty mouse, but the frame delay and choppiness is worse than that and enough to make it impossible to play. I'm only playing Deadlock now and will do in the future. (It's also a source 2 game) So you might think that it's game issue. But if you've experienced anything similar, and are sensitive to this, you can feel it even on the desktop. I know what 150,300,600 fps should look and feel like. Same goes for refresh rate. I'm at a point where I can't trust my muscle memory anymore, every time I move my camera I have to wait a milisecond to proccess what's on my screen after the choppy view clarifies so I can react. And when I react, my mouse is still laggy that I can't aim properly anyway.

The best way I can describe this is as if something is holding back my PC from working properly, gets in the way of delivering frames properly & smoothly.

I'm open to any help, questions, ideas & suggestions. Thanks for reading.

UPDATE:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/commen ... ocks_lclk/

This post I mentioned made input much sharper, if anyone wants to try, however for me it didn't get rid of the microstuttery/jittery image.
After trying this I decided to disable igpu and set my FCLK manually, I can go up to 1600 on my B650 board. Input is still good, noticable improvement on the image aswell, but still not %100. But I can at least play with freesync + vsync for now.

Don't stress about it—this problem's been around for 17 years. Find someone who knows your motherboard and CPU like the back of their hand, have them set it up, and make sure you remember the settings. If it resets, you'll have to set everything up all over again. No one knows what the problem is; we just know it runs like crap during the day but better at night—sometimes on ultra settings—so either put up with it or play at night.

[donger]

viewtopic.php?t=15019

Try that on your hardware, if it's still the same, it's time to start replacing.

[SweatHatesMe?]

The issue:
Game feels unsmooth despite high fps, 600 fps feels like 60 shaking the mouse or looking around etc. This affects mouse inputs and makes the game unplayable. As if I'm always trying to keep up to a laggy game every time I try to aim. The display is 'stroby'. If I shake my camera looking at a bot, the view gets so choppy that the bot multiplies to 3, and this applies to everything on my screen.

Specs:
AMD system
CPU: 7800x3d
GPU: 9070XT
Mobo: ASUS TUF B6560M PLUS
RAM: Kingston Fury beast CL30 6000MT

Things I have tried, I know and where I'm at:
- I've tried %90 of windows tweaks on the internet.
- 23h2,24h2,25h2. Normie install, clean install, post install debloat, autounattend debloated install, valleyofdoom/amit way of install...
- Tried Linux Cachyos, same thing. It's not OS.
- I've bought the Fiberoptic DP cable.
- I've bought a double conversion UPS.
- I've bought a new GPU. (from 3060 to 9070XT)
- I've bought a new monitor (from Viewsonic XG2401 144hz to XL2566X+ 400hz)
- I've bought a pciex1 Intel NIC. Didn't make difference. (Onboard is realtek 2.5g) (and yes I tried netadaptercx driver) game feels the same internet unplugged, although mouse input gets better on desktop, jittery frames stay the same.
- I tried %90 of different BIOS settings combinations.
- tuned RAM, JEDEC RAM, 1 stick, 1 & 3 slot, buildzoid timings etc.
- I tried many BIOS versions.
- Freesync,vsync,antilag
- I've swapped my router with a 5G cellular router
- I've tried the recent iGPU method, helped raw inputs, view is the same.
- I've dismantled and rebuilt the PC multiple times. Disconnected all front panel USB ports. Disabled all USB3.2 ports and only using 4 USB ports. (mouse & kb on CPU, mic & headset on chipset)
- I've tried bottom slot pcie for gpu & nvme. Also lowering GEN speed in the bios.
- Gpu drivers, chipset drivers, no chipset drivers, partially picked chipset drivers..

I will vent here:
This is all I can think of right now. I'm battling with this for 4 years now. I've been reading this forum for a long time, trying things on my end, hoping to find a fix and experimenting. I'm really tired at this point and started to lose hope, hence why I'm making this post. I'm considering buying an Intel CPU (probably 270k plus) and a mobo as a last effort. As I don't know what's left to even do at this point. I've never used Intel, my old setup was AM4.

This issue started as just floaty mouse back then, I was playing CS. Now today I don't have floaty mouse, but the frame delay and choppiness is worse than that and enough to make it impossible to play. I'm only playing Deadlock now and will do in the future. (It's also a source 2 game) So you might think that it's game issue. But if you've experienced anything similar, and are sensitive to this, you can feel it even on the desktop. I know what 150,300,600 fps should look and feel like. Same goes for refresh rate. I'm at a point where I can't trust my muscle memory anymore, every time I move my camera I have to wait a milisecond to proccess what's on my screen after the choppy view clarifies so I can react. And when I react, my mouse is still laggy that I can't aim properly anyway.

The best way I can describe this is as if something is holding back my PC from working properly, gets in the way of delivering frames properly & smoothly.

I'm open to any help, questions, ideas & suggestions. Thanks for reading.

TLDR: No solution, just yapping.

I have more or less the same issue as you. I've had it since around late 2022. I would advise against buying PC parts because, best-case scenario, your problem will be resolved for a day or two. You'll get a dopamine rush comparable to crack cocaine, then it'll go right back to the shit you're experiencing now.

What frustrates me the most is how the hell there still isn't a solution to this lol. It's been years and no one has a clue. I genuinely have dreams about finding a permanent solution to this problem and reinstalling years' worth of games that I never got to play properly. I wonder what it must feel like to wake up, play normally, then go to bed knowing the game will feel exactly the same tomorrow.

I'm not sure if this is cope, but this issue has made me question players who are good at games. Like, are they actually that good, or have they just had the privilege of building their skill on a consistent foundation where their fucking game behaves normally?

Anyways, I think the most rational thing to do is just concede gaming altogether and find another hobby. But then again, that's easier said than done, especially with this issue.

I do ask the same about pro players and what surprises me the most is how no one gives a fuck about it, people will just assume you are bad or something only because they don’t experience this. Feels like you r disabled without being visually being lol. Ig we r just a minority

[Sandy]

You say it's been happening for 4 years. Do you remember what has changed since then? Was there any factor 4 years ago that could have started all of this? I'm suffering from the same problem since 2016. As I can remember, it was something to do with a BIOS update or a mouse change. Still its unsolvable...

Yes, I flashed an older BIOS version onto my motherboard yesterday, reducing mouse latency to its lowest level ever. However, there are still differences between each port. I also discovered that out of all historical BIOS versions, only the F9 version works; the others don't.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z5 ... 10/support

[astroasis]

None of that bios tweaking does anything beyond a brief change to the mouse feel if you genuinely have this problem. You can get the same bios changing/settings tweaking feel if you turn light switches/your boiler/smoke alarms on and off at the breaker lol. If wiggling wires changes your monitor blurriness and mouse feel then you have the curse. It'll be ten years soon that I've had it

[astroasis]

Pros really aren't that good. Take it from someone who reached 2k faceit elo with this before getting bored of being shot by blurry messes

[unexpected8]

Their performance is average, not professional; they are simply people who do not suffer from this problem.