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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

Post by 1000WATT » 07 Apr 2019, 06:36

Beautiful computer at the Chief
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I found my computer in the garbage xD https://imgur.com/4rRSLY0
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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

Post by Kjnmr » 07 Apr 2019, 07:33

Disabling the high precision event timer (hpet) will most likely solve the problems described by the original poster. This should be done in the bios.

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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

Post by jorimt » 07 Apr 2019, 08:37

@Martinengo, here is my system running a couple sessions of Fortnite (I started LatencyMon monitoring before launching Fortnite both times, and then stopped it after exiting Fortnite)...

1st session:

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2nd session:

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While a couple of your recent LatencyMon captures are a bit worrying (seems to possibly be a storage related issue? I would have to have hands-on access to help troubleshoot this further, and that obviously isn't a practical option), I will say that trying to "optimize" your system just to ultimately get lower numbers in LatencyMon can potentially become an insanity-inducing wild goose chase full of obsession and diminishing returns (including attempts at system timer tweaks; HPET, etc).

My troubleshooting steps for this and the frametime spikes in my previous post still stand:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5145&start=20#p40025

And I don't know what you had it set to in those recent LatencyMon captures, but again, too low of a polling period in Afterburner (e.g. not the default 1000ms) can absolutely contribute to these higher numbers in LatencyMon:

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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

Post by 1000WATT » 07 Apr 2019, 09:10

jorimt wrote: My only advice to you at this point, short of replacing the motherboard (as the Chief suggested), is to make sure your DRAM has the correct XMP profile applied at the bios level, to disable/enable hyper-threading via the bios (optional: try both if you'd like)
Do you believe that Martinengo managed to enable hyper-threading? (9700k)
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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

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^ I don't know. He didn't say. That's why I told him to try both hyper-threading on and off. Mine is on (8700k).
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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

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difficult to enable or disable what is not )
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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

Post by jorimt » 07 Apr 2019, 11:26

^ Oh, yes, I don't know if Martinengo knows how to access or use the bios, if that's what you meant.
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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 07 Apr 2019, 12:42

1000WATT wrote:Beautiful computer at the Chief
https://youtu.be/2QKmJ7Cff10
Beautiful numbers. Much better than mine.

Bet I could clean up my numbers if I did some optimizing. Or even just a clean reboot before game lunch.

I'll wait till my next "clean Windows reinstall" cycle though. Too much to do, and the numbers are still comfy enough for me.
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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

Post by Martinengo » 07 Apr 2019, 12:48

Malinkadink wrote:I can suggest something that has helped me in the past if it wasn't already mentioned in the thread as i just skimmed through most of it.

Try getting msi utility v2 and turning on msi mode interrupts for your gpu driver and then see if it has any improvements to the stuttering.
I tried this, sadly it didnt help :(
1000WATT wrote:
jorimt wrote: My only advice to you at this point, short of replacing the motherboard (as the Chief suggested), is to make sure your DRAM has the correct XMP profile applied at the bios level, to disable/enable hyper-threading via the bios (optional: try both if you'd like)
Do you believe that Martinengo managed to enable hyper-threading? (9700k)
I dont think that option is in my bios, and according to what I've read, my i7 9700k doesnt have hyper threading.
Kjnmr wrote:Disabling the high precision event timer (hpet) will most likely solve the problems described by the original poster. This should be done in the bios.
I have a Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Z390, and I havent find that setting on BIOS, althogh I've disable it on Device Managers, but I cant seem to find that option in BIOS, even searching on google or the manual, I sadly dont see it.

jorimt wrote:@Martinengo, here is my system running a couple sessions of Fortnite (I started LatencyMon monitoring before launching Fortnite both times, and then stopped it after exiting Fortnite)...

1st session:

Image

2nd session:

Image

While a couple of your recent LatencyMon captures are a bit worrying (seems to possibly be a storage related issue? I would have to have hands-on access to help troubleshoot this further, and that obviously isn't a practical option), I will say that trying to "optimize" your system just to ultimately get lower numbers in LatencyMon can potentially become an insanity-inducing wild goose chase full of obsession and diminishing returns (including attempts at system timer tweaks; HPET, etc).

My troubleshooting steps for this and the frametime spikes in my previous post still stand:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5145&start=20#p40025

And I don't know what you had it set to in those recent LatencyMon captures, but again, too low of a polling period in Afterburner (e.g. not the default 1000ms) can absolutely contribute to these higher numbers in LatencyMon:

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Those numbers are amazing. Yeah, I'm not using the 100ms poiling rate anymore, I've been using 1000. Opening Fortnite always led to 1000us on latency mon, even Rocket League increases it. Other drivers sometimes have high us, but consistently speaking: nvlddmkm.sys that one tends to increase, but sometimes other drivers increase as well (not sure why), but I havent been able to stay at the numbers you mention, regardless of opening a game or not.

Thanks for all the replies.

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Re: Frame times dont match with frame rate, causing stutteri

Post by Martinengo » 07 Apr 2019, 12:55

1000WATT wrote:Beautiful computer at the Chief
https://youtu.be/2QKmJ7Cff10

I found my computer in the garbage xD https://imgur.com/4rRSLY0
Wow, these numbers are unbelievable, and you frame rate in fortnite is amazing. Do you think you could monitor a whole match of fortnite with msi afterburner to check your frametimes?

What are your specs?, mine are not close to being like that at all.

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