Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Ask about motion blur reduction in gaming monitors. Includes ULMB (Ultra Low Motion Blur), NVIDIA LightBoost, ASUS ELMB, BenQ/Zowie DyAc, Turbo240, ToastyX Strobelight, etc.
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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by nuninho1980 » 17 Oct 2019, 19:01

Does XL2546 work single strobe at 50/60Hz?
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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 18 Oct 2019, 16:05

nuninho1980 wrote:
nuninho1980 wrote:Ok. Do I choose BenQ ZOWIE XL2546 for less motion blur at low Hz?
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Please you should decide less motion LCD monitor but attention max 25".

PS: Does OLED 22" 4k w/ 0.04ms or 0.1ms have strobe? (no urgent needed for your answer ;)) But after that LCD, I'll upgrade OLED(?) monitor in next +/-2 years.
Not yet. Currently, even 0.1ms GtG can have more than 10ms MPRT -- see GtG versus MPRT FAQ. Motion blur is bottlenecked by refresh rate when non-impulsed.
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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 18 Oct 2019, 16:11

nuninho1980 wrote:Does XL2546 work single strobe at 50/60Hz?
No. But the XL2411P does single-strobe.

However, my experience is that on one of those new 240Hz IPS 1ms strobed panels that I have seen .... 120Hz hardware strobe + software BFI produces relatively great looking 60 Hz strobing. It's a shame that manufacturers still arbitrarily set a minimum strobe Hz because they're worried users will hate the flicker (many do, but not everyone). For good 60Hz strobing on 120Hz hardware-strobed displays, you do have to specifically choose emulators (or other software) that include a software BFI mode.

I suggest you wait for 240Hz 1ms IPS. I've seen prototypes already. They're arriving soon. Deeeee-licious color. Which (mostly) maintain itself in strobed mode. I've seen them myself already. Fewer compromises for CRT lovers IMHO.

If you are a CRT user that reluctantly switching to LCD, then three words for CRT lovers: "240Hz 1ms IPS" especially those with a strobe feature. Even motion clarity at 120Hz and 165Hz on these panels are better than 144Hz 3ms IPS and all 1440p 165Hz 3ms IPS panels ever made to date.
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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by nuninho1980 » 18 Oct 2019, 17:06

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
nuninho1980 wrote:Does XL2546 work single strobe at 50/60Hz?
No. But the XL2411P does single-strobe.

However, my experience is that on one of those new 240Hz IPS 1ms strobed panels that I have seen .... 120Hz hardware strobe + software BFI produces relatively great looking 60 Hz strobing. It's a shame that manufacturers still arbitrarily set a minimum strobe Hz because they're worried users will hate the flicker (many do, but not everyone). For good 60Hz strobing on 120Hz hardware-strobed displays, you do have to specifically choose emulators (or other software) that include a software BFI mode.

I suggest you wait for 240Hz 1ms IPS. I've seen prototypes already. They're arriving soon. Deeeee-licious color. Which (mostly) maintain itself in strobed mode. I've seen them myself already. Fewer compromises for CRT lovers IMHO.

If you are a CRT user that reluctantly switching to LCD, then three words for CRT lovers: "240Hz 1ms IPS" especially those with a strobe feature. Even motion clarity at 120Hz and 165Hz on these panels are better than 144Hz 3ms IPS and all 1440p 165Hz 3ms IPS panels ever made to date.
Thank you. I would buy 1ms IPS strobed but min 27" is big. :/ But I'll buy XL2411P soon. ;)
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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by flood » 18 Oct 2019, 17:50

Chief Blur Buster wrote: If you are a CRT user that reluctantly switching to LCD, then three words for CRT lovers: "240Hz 1ms IPS"
black levels tho

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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by 3dfan » 19 Oct 2019, 11:19

IPS black level is even worse than other non IPS monitors i have seen especially when you play a dark game on a darker enviroment. IPS lights coming from the corners of the screen really ruin the exprience of feeling the game darkness.

no offence but also not just for the black levels but that high requirements like to need 240 fps + to get things like better latency, motion clarity that CRTs can a much lower HZ is ridiculous for me :( and even when strobing, sure the flicker has to be worse than CRT on the same frequency as happens with other modern monitors locking it arround 85hz as minimum.

i remember back in the 90s 2000s, competetive gaming on CRTs even at 60hz was excelent, never heard anyone complaining about input lag on the original arcades using CRTs at 60hz and even other esports back then were using much lower CRT frequencies than 240 + hz to be competetive. even remember daytona usa: the game that cought me in love with CRT life like clear movement feeling with vivid colors, no notable flicker, no low brightness, and that magic at just 60hz 60fps

again, i dont pretend to be offensive but for me as a CRT enthusiast, it is still rather Three words of disappointment. i believe the display industriy is doing it wrong with things like rising and rising the requirements, when technology evolution should be exactly the opposite, as they have improved another aspects of a modern monitor, like requiring less power, less space, etc, the same should be with image quality, and modern monitor should even need lower requeriments than CRT to achieve the same, but sadly the opposite is happening and at a bigger scale
RealNC wrote:the flicker of 120Hz LCD strobing looks about the same as 75Hz CRT flicker.
it reminds me not long ago i saw a 4k TV that when the anti motion blur option was enabled, did the map street moving image test and motion was clear and was able read the text, but i felt it like i feel 60hz on CRT, and the image was double while moving, so i bet it had a strobing of 120hz,so i bet 60hz strobe definitelly has to be very bad and much worse than 60hz CRT

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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by billburrbuster » 22 Oct 2019, 05:02

Why dont LCDs with LED backlight imitate CRT strobing by turning on and off rows of led? like first millisecond the rows 1 and 2 on, then 2 and 3, then 3 and 4 and so on. Or its not possible to do that fast enought? i mean its not rotating the crystals, just on\off some led elements...

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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by Q83Ia7ta » 22 Oct 2019, 21:26

billburrbuster wrote:Why dont LCDs with LED backlight imitate CRT strobing by turning on and off rows of led? like first millisecond the rows 1 and 2 on, then 2 and 3, then 3 and 4 and so on. Or its not possible to do that fast enought? i mean its not rotating the crystals, just on\off some led elements...
They do - https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/motion-blur-reduction/

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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by billburrbuster » 23 Oct 2019, 04:08

but its just regular blinking. im talking about imitating scanline movement to make it look more like CRT. people saying, with the same frequency LCD strobbing looks worse than CRT blinking. One of the reasons is that on CRT there is always horizontal strip of shining pixels moving top to bottom

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Re: Less motion blur - CRT or LCD at 60Hz?

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 23 Oct 2019, 11:56

billburrbuster wrote:but its just regular blinking. im talking about imitating scanline movement to make it look more like CRT. people saying, with the same frequency LCD strobbing looks worse than CRT blinking. One of the reasons is that on CRT there is always horizontal strip of shining pixels moving top to bottom
Scanning is a theoretical holy grail (and that is HOW Blur Busters was born -- I used to be scanningbacklight.com in 2012 !!!) -- just strobe backlights have historically been easier to make higher quality for some very important reasons.

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