New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 01 Apr 2020, 18:25

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by RLCSContender* » 01 Apr 2020, 21:02

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
01 Apr 2020, 18:21
RLCScontender wrote:
01 Apr 2020, 18:13
The visual acuity for the 24.5 inch version is 3.2 feet. The visual acuity for the 27 inch version is 3.4 feet.
Good generla guidelines.

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That said, that's not the final frontier. Visual acuity varies a lot with many variables, such as amplified aliasing effects -- see TestUFO Aliasing Visibility Test. I see a resolution limitation of 24" monitors from more than 15 feet away with this test!

This amplifies resolution limitations, requiring more distance to solve. ;) That's why we have to use good gamma-corrected anti-aliasing algorithms on perfectly colorimeter-calibrated monitors, in order to have perfect bead-free slightly-diagonal lines at the lowest possible resolution. (And we haven't talked about adding a little overkill resolution as an oversampling manoever to fix nyquist issues of things like fine grates and grids yet). Big rabbit hole to fall in.

Not important information for most users though, just some additional "Blur Busters Flavour" technical information that surprises many, like our 1000 Hz articles or sub-1ms-visible demos, etc.
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I've heard about antialiasing making the image more sharp but never i never thought about utilizing it especially on lower resolution monitors. My VG279QM is coming tomorrow and it's kinda weird sitting 3.4 feet away(just to avoid pixelation) from the monitor since it's way too far for computer use(outside of gaming). Thing is, i don't want to see a pixelated image if i sit closer. I've heard anti aliasing solves that but i havn't done my ressearch yet. All I know is, this will be the first 1080p monitor at 27" that i purchased. I'm so accustomed to the 1440p resolution so i took sitting distance for granted.

I just couldn't pass up 280Hz refresh rate, even if my preference is 1440p at 27 inches.

gamma-corrected anti-aliasing algorithms, no clue what that is since i'm sort of new to these specific enhancements. Does this mean i'm able to sit closer than the 3.4 feet visual acuity measurement that i got if i utilize this algorithm?

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 01 Apr 2020, 21:04

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01 Apr 2020, 21:02
I've heard anti aliasing solves that but i havn't done my ressearch yet. All I know is, this will be the first 1080p monitor at 27" that i purchased. I'm so accustomed to the 1440p resolution so i took sitting distance for granted.
Antialiasing quality varies a lot between different settings. The only way to find out is to try them all, and see if they solve your problem without killing GPU performance. A good compromose is usually a moderate amount of AA.

You're getting more temporal resolution though -- so moving images will be sharper on your higher-Hz 240Hz+ 1080p than your lower-Hz 1440p. So that's a good tradeoff.
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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by Torby » 02 Apr 2020, 02:42

I bought the VG259QM hoping I'd get a great image in addition to competitive response times.
From what I gather here, the 25" have even worse image than i was expecting (based on stats from the 27")
Does that mean I'd be better off getting a fast TN panel? Is there some inherent benefit with IPS that I'm missing, except for better viewing angles (which isn't a big deal to me anyway)?

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by ayukreizi » 03 Apr 2020, 06:01

Torby wrote:
02 Apr 2020, 02:42
I bought the VG259QM hoping I'd get a great image in addition to competitive response times.
From what I gather here, the 25" have even worse image than i was expecting (based on stats from the 27")
Does that mean I'd be better off getting a fast TN panel? Is there some inherent benefit with IPS that I'm missing, except for better viewing angles (which isn't a big deal to me anyway)?
Can you do a review maybe? I'm in the same boat - purchased a XF252QX but am eyeying with the VG259QM.

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by RLCSContender* » 03 Apr 2020, 10:38

Torby wrote:
02 Apr 2020, 02:42
I bought the VG259QM hoping I'd get a great image in addition to competitive response times.
From what I gather here, the 25" have even worse image than i was expecting (based on stats from the 27")
Does that mean I'd be better off getting a fast TN panel? Is there some inherent benefit with IPS that I'm missing, except for better viewing angles (which isn't a big deal to me anyway)?
A wide gamut is VERY important because with it, your monitor isn't just limited to gaming. Hence why lower gamut monitors are always $200 cheaper(LG 27gl83a is $200 cheaper than the LG 27gl850). If you intend to purchase an IPS monitor, buying one without wide gamut pretty much defeats the purpose of what an IPS monitor is all about. If you like bland natural colors, then SRGB is for you. Wide gamut makes colors more vibrant especially in videogames and movies and it's noticeable.

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by RLCSContender* » 03 Apr 2020, 10:58

should've listened to the people here. 1080p at 27" is horrrendous. LOL. you can easily spot the individual pixels. SMH.

Anyway, i got the vg279qm "like new" "item will come in original package" through amazon warehouse. And this is the trash that I got
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("like new" "item will come in original packaging) but failed to describe the horrendous backlight bleed and dead pixel.
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(this image isn't faulty, those ugly buttons are individual pixels. Also, if you look closely, you can easily see the dead pixel)
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(those are individual pixels, 1080p at 27" is laughable at best. also, can you spot the dead pixel? because in person, it's VERY obvious.

Thank god because even if there wasn't a dead pixel or backlight bleed, i still had to deal with the huge pixels bcuz 81ppi isn't enough at 27". I still would've returned this monitor. Trust me when i say this. the MSI MAG251rx is LIGHTYEARS BETTER. The colors for the vg279qm HORRENDOUS making the oversaturation unbearable. The oversaturation on the MAG251qm is vibrant and colorful, not to mention the 3.1ms g2g vs the 3.7/3.8ms g2g for the vg279qm. The only redeeming factor of the vg279qm is srgb mode(MAG 251rx doesn't have SRGB to clamp the wide gamut). . Then again, vg279qm srgb mode is uncalibrated anyway. (the brightness is way too low even on dim monitors and unfortunately, you can't change that).

I will write a detailed review along with its 170hz cousin xg279q soon. Amazon threatened with "fraud" but because i was cleared, they finally posted my review(only after they sold out, so i had to wait for my review to be published 3-4 wweeks later)

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by forii » 03 Apr 2020, 14:39

@RLCScontender
They made 27" inch version of this monitor because not a lot of people know that this is quite bad on 1080p.
You know, 27 inch sounds better, bigger + 280hz, its both all marketing, cuz 240hz iz still best
You should just wait for 25 inch which is real version of this monitor, which should be from begining. Its nice trick for people who don't know that image is sharper at 24-25 inch, 27 is good for WQWD.

but overall this is great and top1 IPS monitor due to fastest response time compare to even TN is so close + low input lag
I already have this monitor but version VG259QM (24 INCH), no dead pixels or glowing at all, only a little bit on the edges I have like 5% less brightness compare to the middle screen.

just get 25 inch verison, and give it a go ! My version is perfect

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by Torby » 04 Apr 2020, 03:39

ayukreizi wrote:
03 Apr 2020, 06:01
Torby wrote:
02 Apr 2020, 02:42
I bought the VG259QM hoping I'd get a great image in addition to competitive response times.
From what I gather here, the 25" have even worse image than i was expecting (based on stats from the 27")
Does that mean I'd be better off getting a fast TN panel? Is there some inherent benefit with IPS that I'm missing, except for better viewing angles (which isn't a big deal to me anyway)?
Can you do a review maybe? I'm in the same boat - purchased a XF252QX but am eyeying with the VG259QM.
I've been using it for 2 days and I can give you my impressions. Keep in mind that I've previously been using a vg248qe for 6 years, so I don't have much experience with monitors to give any comparisons besides my old monitor.
For gaming I play different FPS competitively at the highest ranks and to me personally the difference in response rate between my old monitor and the VG259QM was immediately noticeable, and to me, it's enough of a difference to make me happy purchasing it.
While I'm not blown away by the picture, it is much prettier than my old monitor and the better viewing angles is a better feature than I thought it would be, because I tend to change my position a lot. Keep in mind that I'm as far from an expert about colors or image quality as one can be, but I feel like the colors don't pop out as much as I'd hoped, they seem more neutral and well balanced if that makes sense (maybe I'm just seeing it as it's supposed to look?).
On my old monitor, black spaces would look more greyish, but despite what people are saying, I think they look more black on the 259QM - however, it is harder to spot things in the dark areas.

While I'm very pleased with the responsiveness, I'm definitely not getting the full benefits for my preferences for these reasons:
The FPS I'm able to pull in OW varies between 140-220 FPS, so I have to use overdrive at 60, as the overshoot at 80 is too much.
Because of the variability of the game's FPS, the responsiveness changes, where it was more stable and reliable at my old 144hz monitor. Though the netchange is positive, I don't mind so much - and these issues will go away when I eventually upgrade my hardware.
I haven't touched the ELMB (or whatever it called), I prefer to keep input lag low and find these things gimicky.
I've disabled Gsync after playing around with it a bit, my old monitor didn't have it, and after trying it, I frankly do not understand why people emphasize the importance of having Gsync so much. The game feels less responsive with it on, and I'm not noticing any screen tearing without it anyway. Perhaps it will make a difference in other games with lower FPS.

Overall, coming from a VG248QE, I'm happy with this monitor. It cost only a little more than the XF252 in my country, so I'm guessing it was the best value option available.

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Re: New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

Post by Torby » 04 Apr 2020, 03:44

@RLCScontender
Damn, that looks questionable at best :(
By the way, I can't see ANY backlight bleeding at all, on my VG259QM

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