New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

[RLCSContender*]

I will include details on a new topic but here is the gist of it


FASTEST on their optimal settings(the setting I recommend when you play video games) Which means no severe overshoots and yes, I will allow smearing if the trade off is better motion clarity and MPRT). MPRT is very important and in my opinion more important than actual response time. The whole purpose of a better response time is to limit motion blur, so in a practical sense, THESE are the fastest IPS monitors right now.

#1. Asus TUF VG279qm, 280hz refresh rate+ELMB-SYNC ON.(also, ADD in +40hz adds better motion clarity+backlight strobing+100 brightness on "RPG" viewing setting, it's faster on a practical sense than the MAG251rx)
#2. MSI MAG271RX (240hz on its "faster" overdrive setting)
#3 Viewsonic XG270 (240hz "pureXP" (BLB strobing) on)
#4 Dell Alienware AW2720HF (240hz on FAST setting)
#5 LG 27gn750 (240hz on "fast") EDIT(not even gonna dignify using this, i just put it on here bcuz i tested it, the gap between the dell alienware vs the 27gn750 is HUGE)

Fastest G2G average(response time) TWO different oscolliscopes, one budget, one in tthe $350 range from amazon). Lagom and blurbusters to cross reference the results.

1. MSI MAG271RX (3.1 ms g2g at 240hz on its "faster" setting). (Target_return)
2. VG279qm (3.7ms g2g average on 240hz on its 80 overdrive setting. ) 4.1ms on 280hz on its 80 overdrive setting)
3. Dell Alienware AW2720HF (4.1ms g2g average on "faster" at 240hz)
4. Viewsonic XG270 (4.3ms g2g average at 240hz)
5. LG Ultragear 27gn850 (5.1 ms g2g average at 240hz on "fast" overdrive)

the two AHVA panels are clearly faster than the first generation panels. They use the same panel but the overdrive implementation on the MAG is better since it only has 3 overdrives and only "faster" is compatible because the other two overdrives are too slow for the 240hz. The VG279qm i got 3.7ms on its average g2g. at 80,it's still fast and the difference between the MAG vs the asus tuf is not noticeable, even their overshoots are not noticeable.

Unfortunately for the LG 27gn750 belongs in the bargain bin. it's probably the slowest 240hz ips panel. Not to mention its barebones compatibility(no backlight strobing, no wide gamut). And no, it's not a "nano" panel, they are just using that as a way to ride the coattails of its more succuessful and FASTER(yes, no joke) than the 27gl850-b

Still surprised that the AW did better than the xg270 sincce they use the same panel from AO optronics. The AW however had more overshoot. I'm seeing blue tint coming out of the rocket league ball quite often from the alienware. Not on the XG270 though.

THE AW2521hf recently came out but it's using the same panel as its 27" precedecessor so it shouldn't be any different from the 1st generation panels. I never got to test out the Acer Nitro XV272U but it should be siimlar to the xg270 and the alienware since those 1st generation IPS uses thees ame AU optronics model.

Lastly, the MSI MAg251rx absolutely shattered the competition, and it's NOT EVEN CLOSE(unless the TUF VG279qm uses 280hz only if ELMB SYNC IS ON). . I had an omen x 27(before returning it due to a dead pixel) and it's faster than the omen x 27 and the omen x27 is one of the fastest monitors right now.

HOWEVER, THE added motion clarity with +40hzrefresh rate from the Asus, ELMB-SYNC ON, the VG279qm is faster due to less motion blur and more sharpness from moving objects. g2g average isn't the end all be all. Motion clarity, less motion blur, and a PERFECT 80 overdrive match from ELMB sync makes practical USE of the 280z faster. I owned the xg270(and returned will reorder) and i did a side by side, the VG279qm at 280hz vs 240hz, it's very obvious that the VG279qm is faster when MOVING fast. Keep in mind, ELMB sync has to be on, if its not on, then be prepared to see a lot of smearing bcuz this monitor is not fast enough to keep up with the 280hz refresh rate.

Still, i'm 100% sure these IPS monitors cannot compete with the Variable overdrive G sync TOP TN monitors. But at these ridiculous response times, i'm surprised ppl are able to distinguish these differences.

There will still be a lot of 240hz ips monitors coming out. (predator series especially, and don't forget the 240hz 1440p IPS panel coming in Q4, not to mention the lenovo odyssee)

[RLCSContender*]

I will main two monitors and will use them permanently for the next 2-4 yrs.

the 24.5 inch XG270 and the 24.5 inch MSI MAG251rx.

Keep in mind, the seperate topic i'm going to make covers EVERYTHING, not just speed. but the MSI MAG251rx is the best overall IPS monitor right now. yes, it's also the only TRUE wide gamut monotor bcuz it has ditherring and greatly reduces banding. It's the only 10 bit IPS 240hz monitor which is higher than its 8 bit competitors(1 billion color>>all) and ranked #1 in response time+#1 in contrast ratio+#1 in wide gamut colors+#3 in color accuracy(behind the crappy 27gn750( was shocked since it's only 6 bit) and its fake and the well rounded xg270).
I had high hopes of the 27gn750. it is the most beautiful monitor to look at though so i guess on aesthetics alone, the 27gn750 wins. Also the 27gn750 looks "decent" for slower games, and has the best viewing angles, so i guess the 27gn750 isn't "useless" but the lack of wide gamut, lack of backlight strobing, 6 bit+FRC, blurry if you play fast paced games. etc. it's barebones compatibilities outweigh its 240hz refresh rate. You cuold however try its fastest overdrive "faster", i clocked in at 1.8ms with its ridiculous overshoot, The blue halos are extremely annoying but if u can tolerate that, more power to u

[sosuyike]

Using MAG251RX, can you do a ufo test motion blur with best settings that you have found?

[RLCSContender*]

Using MAG251RX, can you do a ufo test motion blur with best settings that you have found?

I would if it arrives. Amazon right now is slow. The one i used on a target return was already returned and i didin't see a difference. it was clearly 3.1ms. It's the only monitor that is faster than mid level high end TN monitors. However, the vg279qm with ELMB sync on at 280hz refresh rateand the mag251rx are the only two IPS monitors that trade blow to blows with the top TN monitors. No joke.



i'm extremely picky and this is the monitor i chose above its competitors. The thing with IPS is its colors. Without a wide gamut, i don't see the purpose of buying an IPS monitor


also, i don't have the proper hardware do to those UFO shots. The australian review website, Hardware unboxed has UFO photos, so check out the video review on youtube (has photos of its BFi and without it at 240hz UFO tests). Just be skeptical about theire reviews though. They are the only reviewer that clocked the viewsonic xg270qg as slower than the 27gl850 but unfortunately(every other reviewer website had the viewsonic way faster).

[sosuyike]

Found a review on MAG251RX, UFO test at 10:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leLp6Qgc6X8
Not sure if i can post full youtube video, please remove link if not allowed

[Bromerz]

THE AW2521hf recently came out but it's using the same panel as its 27" precedecessor so it shouldn't be any different from the 1st generation panels. I never got to test out the Acer Nitro XV272U but it should be siimlar to the xg270 and the alienware since those 1st generation IPS uses thees ame AU optronics model.

I'm really confused by this statement. I've looked at the panel database on tftcentral and can only find 2 24.5" 1080p 240hz IPS (AHVA) panels both with manufacture dates a few months apart (July 2019 and Q3 2019) and the only difference appears to be that one is borderless.

I then searched the database for 240hz 1080p 27" IPS panels and there is only 1 with a manufacture date of May 2019. Am I missing something with this? 240hz IPS have only just started hitting the market yet you're saying there are 2 generations of that panel.

I've attached a screenshot of the 24.5" panels with the Model numbers. Like I said maybe I'm missing something.

[Chief Blur Buster]

also, i don't have the proper hardware do to those UFO shots.

You don't even have a smartphone?

No rail needed. It helps, but it's optional.

Instructions: Smartphone Hand-Wave Pursuit Camera

Example Hobbyist / Amateur Attempt Threads
-- viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6563&p=48508
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-- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4828&p=37355

If you have a smartphone, that's all you need! No rail needed.
You don't have to do it, but.... just saying....

I think I'll probably create a Pursuit Camera Forum, because this technique is more popular ever since the LinusTechTips video.

[callen62]

I will include details on a new topic but here is the gist of it


FASTEST on their optimal settings(the setting I recommend when you play video games) Which means no severe overshoots and yes, I will allow smearing if the trade off is better motion clarity and MPRT). MPRT is very important and in my opinion more important than actual response time. The whole purpose of a better response time is to limit motion blur, so in a practical sense, THESE are the fastest IPS monitors right now.

#1. Asus TUF VG279qm, 280hz refresh rate+ELMB-SYNC ON.(also, ADD in +40hz adds better motion clarity+backlight strobing+100 brightness on "RPG" viewing setting, it's faster on a practical sense than the MAG251rx)
#2. MSI MAG271RX (240hz on its "faster" overdrive setting)
#3 Viewsonic XG270 (240hz "pureXP" (BLB strobing) on)
#4 Dell Alienware AW2720HF (240hz on FAST setting)
#5 LG 27gn750 (240hz on "fast") EDIT(not even gonna dignify using this, i just put it on here bcuz i tested it, the gap between the dell alienware vs the 27gn750 is HUGE)

Fastest G2G average(response time) TWO different oscolliscopes, one budget, one in tthe $350 range from amazon). Lagom and blurbusters to cross reference the results.

1. MSI MAG271RX (3.1 ms g2g at 240hz on its "faster" setting). (Target_return)
2. VG279qm (3.7ms g2g average on 240hz on its 80 overdrive setting. ) 4.1ms on 280hz on its 80 overdrive setting)
3. Dell Alienware AW2720HF (4.1ms g2g average on "faster" at 240hz)
4. Viewsonic XG270 (4.3ms g2g average at 240hz)
5. LG Ultragear 27gn850 (5.1 ms g2g average at 240hz on "fast" overdrive)

the two AHVA panels are clearly faster than the first generation panels. They use the same panel but the overdrive implementation on the MAG is better since it only has 3 overdrives and only "faster" is compatible because the other two overdrives are too slow for the 240hz. The VG279qm i got 3.7ms on its average g2g. at 80,it's still fast and the difference between the MAG vs the asus tuf is not noticeable, even their overshoots are not noticeable.

Unfortunately for the LG 27gn750 belongs in the bargain bin. it's probably the slowest 240hz ips panel. Not to mention its barebones compatibility(no backlight strobing, no wide gamut). And no, it's not a "nano" panel, they are just using that as a way to ride the coattails of its more succuessful and FASTER(yes, no joke) than the 27gl850-b

Still surprised that the AW did better than the xg270 sincce they use the same panel from AO optronics. The AW however had more overshoot. I'm seeing blue tint coming out of the rocket league ball quite often from the alienware. Not on the XG270 though.

THE AW2521hf recently came out but it's using the same panel as its 27" precedecessor so it shouldn't be any different from the 1st generation panels. I never got to test out the Acer Nitro XV272U but it should be siimlar to the xg270 and the alienware since those 1st generation IPS uses thees ame AU optronics model.

Lastly, the MSI MAg251rx absolutely shattered the competition, and it's NOT EVEN CLOSE(unless the TUF VG279qm uses 280hz only if ELMB SYNC IS ON). . I had an omen x 27(before returning it due to a dead pixel) and it's faster than the omen x 27 and the omen x27 is one of the fastest monitors right now.

HOWEVER, THE added motion clarity with +40hzrefresh rate from the Asus, ELMB-SYNC ON, the VG279qm is faster due to less motion blur and more sharpness from moving objects. g2g average isn't the end all be all. Motion clarity, less motion blur, and a PERFECT 80 overdrive match from ELMB sync makes practical USE of the 280z faster. I owned the xg270(and returned will reorder) and i did a side by side, the VG279qm at 280hz vs 240hz, it's very obvious that the VG279qm is faster when MOVING fast. Keep in mind, ELMB sync has to be on, if its not on, then be prepared to see a lot of smearing bcuz this monitor is not fast enough to keep up with the 280hz refresh rate.

Still, i'm 100% sure these IPS monitors cannot compete with the Variable overdrive G sync TOP TN monitors. But at these ridiculous response times, i'm surprised ppl are able to distinguish these differences.

There will still be a lot of 240hz ips monitors coming out. (predator series especially, and don't forget the 240hz 1440p IPS panel coming in Q4, not to mention the lenovo odyssee)

So how is the Mag 251rx input lag at 60hz? I know its amazing above it as everyone tests that but so was the vg279qm but my god it had like 34ms input lag at 60hz. I am hoping the MSI is good to make it a good pc/console monitor? anyone know?

[RLCSContender*]

THE AW2521hf recently came out but it's using the same panel as its 27" precedecessor so it shouldn't be any different from the 1st generation panels. I never got to test out the Acer Nitro XV272U but it should be siimlar to the xg270 and the alienware since those 1st generation IPS uses thees ame AU optronics model.

I'm really confused by this statement. I've looked at the panel database on tftcentral and can only find 2 24.5" 1080p 240hz IPS (AHVA) panels both with manufacture dates a few months apart (July 2019 and Q3 2019) and the only difference appears to be that one is borderless.

I then searched the database for 240hz 1080p 27" IPS panels and there is only 1 with a manufacture date of May 2019. Am I missing something with this? 240hz IPS have only just started hitting the market yet you're saying there are 2 generations of that panel.

I've attached a screenshot of the 24.5" panels with the Model numbers. Like I said maybe I'm missing something.

https://www.displayspecifications.com/e ... 0e6f109449

their specs are basically identical. If however the 24.5" version has better overdrive settings, i don't have a clue. But i'm fairly confident it's using the 1st generation 240hz ips panel. it's still fast. As a matter of fact, the alienware IPS at 240hz is the fastest 1st generation IPS at 240hz.

[RLCSContender*]

I will include details on a new topic but here is the gist of it


FASTEST on their optimal settings(the setting I recommend when you play video games) Which means no severe overshoots and yes, I will allow smearing if the trade off is better motion clarity and MPRT). MPRT is very important and in my opinion more important than actual response time. The whole purpose of a better response time is to limit motion blur, so in a practical sense, THESE are the fastest IPS monitors right now.

#1. Asus TUF VG279qm, 280hz refresh rate+ELMB-SYNC ON.(also, ADD in +40hz adds better motion clarity+backlight strobing+100 brightness on "RPG" viewing setting, it's faster on a practical sense than the MAG251rx)
#2. MSI MAG271RX (240hz on its "faster" overdrive setting)
#3 Viewsonic XG270 (240hz "pureXP" (BLB strobing) on)
#4 Dell Alienware AW2720HF (240hz on FAST setting)
#5 LG 27gn750 (240hz on "fast") EDIT(not even gonna dignify using this, i just put it on here bcuz i tested it, the gap between the dell alienware vs the 27gn750 is HUGE)

Fastest G2G average(response time) TWO different oscolliscopes, one budget, one in tthe $350 range from amazon). Lagom and blurbusters to cross reference the results.

1. MSI MAG271RX (3.1 ms g2g at 240hz on its "faster" setting). (Target_return)
2. VG279qm (3.7ms g2g average on 240hz on its 80 overdrive setting. ) 4.1ms on 280hz on its 80 overdrive setting)
3. Dell Alienware AW2720HF (4.1ms g2g average on "faster" at 240hz)
4. Viewsonic XG270 (4.3ms g2g average at 240hz)
5. LG Ultragear 27gn850 (5.1 ms g2g average at 240hz on "fast" overdrive)

the two AHVA panels are clearly faster than the first generation panels. They use the same panel but the overdrive implementation on the MAG is better since it only has 3 overdrives and only "faster" is compatible because the other two overdrives are too slow for the 240hz. The VG279qm i got 3.7ms on its average g2g. at 80,it's still fast and the difference between the MAG vs the asus tuf is not noticeable, even their overshoots are not noticeable.

Unfortunately for the LG 27gn750 belongs in the bargain bin. it's probably the slowest 240hz ips panel. Not to mention its barebones compatibility(no backlight strobing, no wide gamut). And no, it's not a "nano" panel, they are just using that as a way to ride the coattails of its more succuessful and FASTER(yes, no joke) than the 27gl850-b

Still surprised that the AW did better than the xg270 sincce they use the same panel from AO optronics. The AW however had more overshoot. I'm seeing blue tint coming out of the rocket league ball quite often from the alienware. Not on the XG270 though.

THE AW2521hf recently came out but it's using the same panel as its 27" precedecessor so it shouldn't be any different from the 1st generation panels. I never got to test out the Acer Nitro XV272U but it should be siimlar to the xg270 and the alienware since those 1st generation IPS uses thees ame AU optronics model.

Lastly, the MSI MAg251rx absolutely shattered the competition, and it's NOT EVEN CLOSE(unless the TUF VG279qm uses 280hz only if ELMB SYNC IS ON). . I had an omen x 27(before returning it due to a dead pixel) and it's faster than the omen x 27 and the omen x27 is one of the fastest monitors right now.

HOWEVER, THE added motion clarity with +40hzrefresh rate from the Asus, ELMB-SYNC ON, the VG279qm is faster due to less motion blur and more sharpness from moving objects. g2g average isn't the end all be all. Motion clarity, less motion blur, and a PERFECT 80 overdrive match from ELMB sync makes practical USE of the 280z faster. I owned the xg270(and returned will reorder) and i did a side by side, the VG279qm at 280hz vs 240hz, it's very obvious that the VG279qm is faster when MOVING fast. Keep in mind, ELMB sync has to be on, if its not on, then be prepared to see a lot of smearing bcuz this monitor is not fast enough to keep up with the 280hz refresh rate.

Still, i'm 100% sure these IPS monitors cannot compete with the Variable overdrive G sync TOP TN monitors. But at these ridiculous response times, i'm surprised ppl are able to distinguish these differences.

There will still be a lot of 240hz ips monitors coming out. (predator series especially, and don't forget the 240hz 1440p IPS panel coming in Q4, not to mention the lenovo odyssee)

So how is the Mag 251rx input lag at 60hz? I know its amazing above it as everyone tests that but so was the vg279qm but my god it had like 34ms input lag at 60hz. I am hoping the MSI is good to make it a good pc/console monitor? anyone know?

believe it or not, the mag251rx has one of the best overdrive settings and way better the asus TUF vg279qm but it actually maximizes response time with minimal overshoot. it only has 3 overdrive settings and it's VERY simple to use. "faster" for 240hz gaming, then "fast" for 144hz, then fast/faster on 60hz gaming. The overshoot is non-existent. The compliance is near 99%. believe me, this is a TRUE 240hz IPS monitor, the response time is fast enough to keep up with the referesh rate at all intervals.

The backlight strobing is the 2nd best behind the xg270. You can strobe at 240hz and below. I didnt try strobing at lower refresh rates but i believe you can strobe at under 100hz, (not too sure, u can fact check me on that. The crosstalk(double images isn't as strong as the VG279qm.

throughout the different refresh rates, that and low input lag(although 60hz, i felt like i had slightly fllat tires when i was playing rocket league). overall, it's a decent console monitor. HDMI VRR has an adaptive sync range up to 240hz I've tested it with my xbox one x, where i was able to get adaptive sync+1080p+120hz(sadly console gaming is limted to 40-60hz VRR)+HDR at the same time.

one thing the MSI has over the other panels. Dithering and less color banding since it's 10 bit instead of the 8 bit ips 240hz competitors. . I played mass effect andromeda and the colors are vibrant(although not as good as the nano IPS monitors). The whole purpose of buying an IPS panel is its beautiful colors. its INSANE that pppl would buy an IPS panel for its speed. That is why i picked the mag251rx above the VG279qm. It simply has more vibrant and vivid, and more accurate colors. The mag, viewsonic, and LG 240hz ips have the best colors, but the MSI mag 251rx has 10 bit wide gamut, the others has 8 bit 99% SRGB.