05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

[AddictFPS]

TheMadMan697

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/ ... lite-xg270

XG270 240Hz Overdrive Faster (Recommended by Rtings)



Is a technical limit, no way to avoid it completely.

Unfortunately, any IPS or TN 240Hz can fit 100% GtG response times into 240Hz. They would need under 4,16ms in all shades to avoid smearing. This limit cause contrast and color deviations in moving images, 240Hz non-strobed and 240Hz strobed (smearing without motion blur, but with crosstalk).

Until IPS tech evolve, no way. Or manufacturers change to MicroLED, that prototipes show nanosecond response time Hope Samsung release one MicroLED monitor soon, and start the party ! Now they sell MicroLED TV. Chief, you have already see Samsung MicroLED TV in action ?

Rise/Fall show 80% GtG transition. Until IPS evolve to offer real 4ms GtG in all shades, 100% transition and overshot free, if we want good image quality free of most part of this smearing, no motion blur, and almost crosstalk free, strobe well tweaked is here to help, but the requisite is 100-120FPS/Hz VSync.

With (100Hz 10ms) and (120Hz 8.33ms), much more 100% GtG transitions fit inside, and strobe reduce to much motion blur, result in very good moving image quality, smearing reduced, with almost the same color and contrast that static image, but add a bit of input lag, overall a good trade off except for competitive where each ms matters.

The only advantage of the ASUS is +40Hz (+16.6%), but is not versatile, can't show 100-120 FPS/Hz with like CRT motion in modern games that GPU can't move at minimun 280FPS.

Not all gamers play online competitive, there are games for instance locked at 60FPS like emulators (MAME DoxBox) that using software BFI with XG270 at 120Hz PureXP+, result in like CRT 60Hz feel. VG279QM can't do this.

If monitor is for competitive, VG279QM is a good IPS election, if is not exclusively competitive point of view, can be considered a more versatile monitor. But in Professional FPS leagues, players use TN, so, if decision is pure competitive, maybe the election is Zowie TN.

Also to take in account, is that VG279QM is not native 280Hz, is just 240Hz native panel overclocked. And Asus say that if your unit show artifacts at 280, down to 270, or less, the only officialy assured is 240

From this point of view, all 240Hz monitor are 280 "ready". We can use XG270 + CRU and create a custom resolution with 280Hz overclocked. The same on Zowie XL2746S. This +40Hz Asus advantage not seems to much solid ! Take in accound also, that overclocked LCD is force the panel. It remains to be seen if those overclock will last over time, or end with RMA.

[RLCSContender*]

They dont use the.10/90 g2g criteria. They rush a lot of their reviews with their cheap equipment. This is the same.site that claims the vg27aq is the best 1440p monitor. Even though elmb sync is trash and its not even a wide gamut.

The only way to know the truth is review the monitor for yourself. An oscilloscope isnt that expensive on amazon.

[TheMadMan697]

I just have 1 further question regarding VG279QM Vs XG270.

I see from reviews that the VG279QM is not quite fast enough for 280hz non strobed which causes some smearing.

In theory, it's supposed to cause smearing, but you won't see it because the added motion clarity and the 280hz refresh rate/framerates make it imperceptible. If however the monitor was at 144hz, pixel smearing will be obvious. Try buying a VA panel and see what i mean.

You don't really have to turn on ELMB-SYNC but at 280hz, ELMB-SYNC has the least crosstalk and the best MPRT(even better than any TN, even the fastest TN). If you want to compete with TN, turn it on. If not, turn off elmb-sync and leave the framerate unclamped(don't worry, u wont' see tearing at 280hz). 280hz is still the fastest monitor today. g2g doesn't matter because the purpose of g2g is to make moving objects less blurry, at 280hz, the motion clarity is already good enough to not need a good g2g average(even on 25% refresh rate compliance, it's imperceptible at these high framerates and refresh rates.

een as the the XG270 is using less aggressive overdrive and from what I can tell has higher response time (g2g) is it actually fast enough for 240 Hz non strobed without smearing. Is this even something that I should be concerned about?

1st generation 240Hz IPS monitors Nitro XV272, Alienware AW2720hf, and viewsonic elite xg270 are generally not as quick as the AHVA IPS cousins (MSI mag251rx, asus vg279qm/vg259qm, Alienware 2521hf, etc). The XG270 however is the best 1st generation IPS 240hz monitor. g2g is just as quick as the LG nano monitor (4.2-4.4ms) but the strobing is the best.

Are you saying that the XG270 is using s different panel than the vg279qm? I had it in my head that they were the same panel just tweaked different by the manufacturer.

It sounds like you are advising me to pick the
vg279qm over the XG270 but I thought I saw you mention that you would main a 25" version of the XG270 if it came out (or mabey I was mistaken)

I have actually ordered the XG270 on Amazon but it doesn't ship for another bit so no problem to change. I would also save myself £80 by changing to the Asus.

[DaveN]

So I've narrowed my list down a bit, based on pricing and availability.

Acer XF0 XF250Q
HP Omen X 25f
Acer Nitro XF2 XF252Q

and also

Acer Predator XN3 XN253Q, however that ones only in my budget because there's one in Amazon Warehouse, not sure if it's faulty since those descriptions are always the same.

Which one of these would perform the best for a purely competitive scenario (CSGO).

[AddictFPS]

ASUS VG279QM

Panel Manufacturer: AU Optronics
Panel Part: M270HAN03.0
Panel Technology: AHVA (IPS-type)

Viewsonic XG270 and Acer VX273X

Panel Manufacturer: AU Optronics
Panel Part: M270HAN03.0
Panel Technology: AHVA (IPS-type)

* Source TFTCentral.

RLCScontender, your teory that XG270 is first generation, and VG279QM is last generation... is the same panel, ASUS overclocked frequency, and doesn't guarantee it.

[RLCSContender*]

i'm fairly sure the xg270 isn't the AHVA IPS panel because i saw zero bad color uniformity (yellow tint on a white background) when i had the xg270. That is the pattern about every AHVA ips, it has that yellow tint. Both the 280hz asus and the 240hz MSI which are both AHVA have that yellow tint, (less on the 240hz msi since it's a 10 bit wide gamut)

even if what you said was true that they were in fact the same panel, the overdrive tuning is simply better on the MSI. 3ms vs 4ms

and not just at 240hz, but MSI's fastest overdrive setting is good from 44-240hz with minimal/non-existen overshoot. Hardware u nboxed claimed that at 144hz, "faster" has many errors, but i myself didn't so much error at all. At 60-120hz though, the "faster" overdrive was buttery smooth, hardly any blue artifacts(if at all). Which means it's the best competitive console gaming monitor since it will still keep the 3ms g2g average and keep the 2.4-3.0ms input lag since the overdrive tuning is excellent from ALL its refresh rate ranges.

I can't say the same for the Asus. At 80 overdrive, it's only relevant at 200hz and above. 60 overdrive from 200hz to 144hz, 40 overdrive from 144hz to 60hz. The overdrive tuning is wonky on the Asus. Whereas the overdrive tuning on the MSI, juts set it to its fastest overdrive setting and you are set for life. No need to ever change it. Want to play halo 7 on the xbox series x? not a problem, no need to change the overdrive and still keep 3ms g2g at 60-120hz

when i make posts, i always do it from the point of view of the consumers. I've tested every 240hz monitior. I have proven it on the other post i made. the MSI optix MAG251rx is STILL the best IPS monitor period

10 bit(yes, the only 10 bit 240hz ips monitor)(no other 240hz IPS h as 1 billion colors and 10 bit signal, the rest are only 8 bit)
fastest g2g(w/ little to no overshoot) (MSi is 3ms and AW 2521hf is around 3ms TOO but u need g-sync to avoid it which adds input lag)(s and the asus is around 3.7-4.0)
Its fastest overdrive is perfect from all refresh rate ranges(especially on consoles 60hz-120hz and 240hz
has backlight strobing at 240hz(which has less aggressive crosstalk than the asus)(27gn750 and aw2521hf does not)
has HDR(unlike the alienware aw2521hf)
has the highest contrast ratio of 1100/1250:1(yes, this isn't panel variance, the other 240hz ips are 1000:1 or 1100:1(Asus)
has the 2nd best color accuracy and viewing angles behind the LG 27gn750
has the WORST stand(although can easily be changed since VESA stands only cost $27 non amazon)
Price $360, it's the cheapest IPS monitor
Its prone to having image retention if you leave an image too long.(although this may be my monitor only)

i'm not "schilling" for MSI. Trust me on this. As a matter of fact, i was trashing the MSI on this thread

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6543

Just returned the MSI MAG251rx just now. It's a wide gamut monitor with no sRGB which is a major dealbreaker. i measured at 111% sRGB. The stand is pretty bad and clunky. If your monitor falls down, it will crack easily. not to mention the overly tacky gamer aesthetics and "esports"

The only redeeming factor is the response time and ridiculously low input lag This is by far the fastest IPS monitor i've ever tested. (it's way faster than my viewsonic xg270qg even with its variable overdrive). I used two sources to measure response time(Eizo and this website). Average g2g was a whopping 3.1ms(that is better than most high end TN monitors). This was measured at 80 overdrive at its 240hz refresh rate. Even on lower refresh rates, the g2g average never goes above 4ms. That means this is good for console gaming.

The backlight strobing is actually above average(yes, you can strobe at 240hz). I tried it and i didn't see much difference, except the screen got dimmer. I dont' see the point of using backlight strobing if your FPS is running above 200 on this monitor because it's already buttery smooth without it. i Truly belileve this is the fastest 240hz IPS monitor right now. Gaming aside, everything else is atrocious

Poor/clunky stand and bad ergonomics.
No sRGB mode to clamp the oversaturation. Everything will be washed out
HDR is crap, dont' even turn it on. It has about 1100:1 contrast ratio, but there will be a lot of input lag.
Monitor aesthetics is not visually pleasing whatsoever(especially with its tacky esports logo and color)

in terms of perfomance, this monitor delivers. However, i'm willing to trade a slightly less response time for srgb mode, better stand, etc because at this low of a response time, it's really imperceptible (especially among other 240hz monitors).

I don't recommend this monitor even as a side monitor for gaming because everything else outside of gaming is pretty bad. There are other monitors(it will probably be slower than the msi mag251rx but with better aesthetics, has sRGB mode, and better ergonomics, etc) because a slightly faster response time from 3.1 to 3.6 is negligible). . In general though, if i was NOT comparing this monitor relative to other high end 240hz monitors, this is a phenomenal. Then again, the 240hz 1080p market for IPS panels is starting to get competitive(and perhaps oversaturated).

Next up is the VG279qm. I purchased it through amazon and it's coming in a couple of days. Can't wait to try it out

but guess what? at the time, i didn't have any other 240hz IPS monitor to compare it to. But after testing out every 240hz ips monitor on amazon, in the back of my head, "damn, i "had" the best 240hz ips monitor, i can't believe i returned it"

[TheMadMan697]

ASUS VG279QM

Panel Manufacturer: AU Optronics
Panel Part: M270HAN03.0
Panel Technology: AHVA (IPS-type)

Viewsonic XG270 and Acer VX273X

Panel Manufacturer: AU Optronics
Panel Part: M270HAN03.0
Panel Technology: AHVA (IPS-type)

* Source TFTCentral.

RLCScontender, your teory that XG270 is first generation, and VG279QM is last generation... is the same panel, ASUS overclocked frequency, and doesn't guarantee it.

Thanks for the info.

[AddictFPS]

Yes, automatic variable overdrive is a very good feature, XG270 is also automatic OD fine tuned for strobing, but with PureXP+ Off and GSync Compatible or FreeSync On, if i remember good, it unfortunately not has automatic variable overdrive. Also do not support VRR in HDMI.

But XG270 can show 10bit color, is native 8 bits, but with dithering (FRC) you can do it, confirmed ! and play HDR games with DisplayPort v1.2 GPU, but not at FHD 240Hz, 100-120Hz strobing VSync for smooth HDR gameplay.

About confirm XG270 panel, waiting Chief solve the doubt.

[RLCSContender*]

bruh, variable overdrive requires a G-sync Chip. fake G-sync such as g-sync compatible does not have variable overdrive. Sorry, i may come off condescending when i correct you, but please check your facts when you make posts. Thanks

xg270 does not have the g-sync hardware. The xg270qg does

the xg270 is the 240hz 1080p viewsonic monitor
the xg270qg is the 165hz 1440p viewsonic monitor

[AddictFPS]

variable overdrive requires a G-sync Chip. fake G-sync such as g-sync compatible does not have variable overdrive.

There are a few GSync Compatible and FreeSync monitors that has VRR automatic variable overdrive, see TFTCentral review AOC AG273QZ.

https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/ao ... onse_times

TFTCentral: To our surprise this screen seemed to feature 'variable overdrive', something commonly seen from Native G-sync module displays, but very rare for adaptive-sync/FreeSync type displays. This was evident in our measurements as the overdrive impulse, despite being set at 'medium' all the time, was reduced as the refresh rate lowered. This resulted in slower response times as refresh rate lowers, but does at least help avoid any added overshoot creeping in at all.

xg270 does not have the g-sync hardware. The xg270qg does

Of course, who said otherwise ?

Read my post again, i not said XG270 has GSync module. I not said XG270 has VRR automatic variable overdrive, i just say XG270 in strobe mode, all the fixed strobe frequencies range, are automatic variable overdrive fine tuned by BlurBusters. So, no matter what frequency from 75 to 240 is manually selected by the user, the OD is automaticaly set to the correct value by the firmware, due to this OD in OSD is locked when strobe is On.