Viewsonic XG270 with 'PureXP" MBR [pre-tuned by Blur Busters!]

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Re: Viewsonic XG270 with 'PureXP" MBR [pre-tuned by Blur Busters!]

Post by Infinity » 12 May 2020, 15:54

I just bought this myself and compared to my older 144hz TN panel I didnt even realize how much blue tint that thing had until I got on this. 27 inches was off-putting at first but I kinda think I prefer it now that I've gotten used to it. I'm a big fan of ULMB stuff ever since I started using it on my old BenQ and it honestly ran pretty nice although was very dim but I preferred using it when I played CSGO it made the game feel different so this was a no brainer.

That being said I'm down for recommendations. I calibrated the monitor following rtings guide ( didn't change much it was pretty solid out of box on standard mode tbh ). I just played around in CS with pureXP on at 240hz and then tried adaptive sync ( my old benq didn't have adaptive sync ). Adaptive sync is pretty pointless in CS normally because I get like 400 fps constantly but it was nice for deathmatching in 3rd party servers since my fps always dips from like 180-250 in those. I'm wondering if CSGO would even benefit from PureXP being on since I'd honestly prefer having full refresh rate of 240hz going and keep my fps uncapped since CSGO particular engine benefits from that.

I'm gonna try different setups in other games like insurgency sandstorm and stuff later. Overall seems like a big improvement over my old TN.

I guess I'm interested in what overdrive settings you guys are preferring. I'm on Faster right now and don't really notice any issues.

I'll try the PureXP + 224 hz or w.e thing later for some other games since I don't think it matters for CSGO ( I did try pureXP on normal and i didn't really see any difference with it on or off in workshop maps )

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Re: Viewsonic XG270 with 'PureXP" MBR [pre-tuned by Blur Busters!]

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 12 May 2020, 16:20

Infinity wrote:
12 May 2020, 15:54
I'll try the PureXP + 224 hz or w.e thing later for some other games since I don't think it matters for CSGO ( I did try pureXP on normal and i didn't really see any difference with it on or off in workshop maps )
If you use any blur reduction, make sure your mouse DPI is very high (1600dpi+) since the common low 400dpi DPI limits motion blur reduction benefits.

Sometimes this requires a sensor upgrade / mousefree upgrade / mousepad upgrade in order to avoid hating 1600dpi more than 400dpi since a proper setup has 1600dpi and 400dpi at exactly the same turnspeeds except looking better (TestUFO-smooth during mouseturns). Mouse microstutter is a weak link for strobing competitive advantages.

Also, motion blur reduction looks best during fps=Hz situations (to avoid strobe amplified microstutters) at refresh rates well below max Hz (to avoid strobe crosstalk), and CS:GO wants to go at high frame rates. Also fixed-gaze at crosshairs doesn't really benefit from motion blur reduction -- it benefits eye tracking situations more -- see HOWTO: Using ULMB Beautifully or Competitively.
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Re: Viewsonic XG270 with 'PureXP" MBR [pre-tuned by Blur Busters!]

Post by Infinity » 12 May 2020, 16:28

I'll check that out I don't have issue going to 1600dpi I use 800 now so I just double and change in game sens. I'll check that how to either way the monitors great and I did try 120fps cap and PureXP on normal in insurgency sandstorm and it was pretty mindblowing difference to my old TN. I didn't cap refresh rate to 120 and left it at 240 and it still looked fine ill try capping it later.

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Re: Viewsonic XG270 with 'PureXP" MBR [pre-tuned by Blur Busters!]

Post by niros » 12 May 2020, 17:04

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
12 May 2020, 14:38
niros wrote:
12 May 2020, 12:02
I want to buy the ViewSonic monitor today from this link > https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/bla ... klink=true
Yes, that is the correct monitor. They have not yet edited it to mention the Blur Busters Approved.

However, if you wish to support Blur Busters via a Blur Busters link that sends a commission to Blur Busters,
I suggest this one instead, it is in stock today as of May 12th:
ViewSonic XG270 on Amazon

It's up to you, both links are the correct model.
Thanks-I'm gonna wait until amaozn restore regular shipping to my country and then i'll use that link and support you guys :)
right now my pc struggle in some games to push higher fps (like apex legends)
my rig is 4790k 980ti - is it better to wait until i buy a new pc or it doesn't matter and i can get that monitor?

also - should i wait for the xl2546s? I like the fact the the XG270 is IPS aswell. making other games i like like rpg's more immersive to play.. (but i do play mostly fps)

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Post by Infinity » 12 May 2020, 19:53

that article says you can exceed frames by alot and get benefits of pureXP.. so I play alot of osu! for example and literally have like 3000 FPS uncapped would the strobing work properly then or would it be better to leave off? I sorta see a difference when I try it but yeah.

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Post by Chief Blur Buster » 12 May 2020, 21:38

niros wrote:
12 May 2020, 17:04
also - should i wait for the xl2546s? I like the fact the the XG270 is IPS aswell. making other games i like like rpg's more immersive to play.. (but i do play mostly fps)
It's up to you. Buying either via Amazon via links below will send approximately the same amount of commission to Blur Busters.
You can buy elsewhere like NewEgg, though currently I'm not a NewEgg affiliate (yet).
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that article says you can exceed frames by alot and get benefits of pureXP.. so I play alot of osu! for example and literally have like 3000 FPS uncapped would the strobing work properly then or would it be better to leave off? I sorta see a difference when I try it but yeah.
Yes, PureXP+ will still help you.

Brute frame rate compensate for unsynchronized. You still get strobed benefits, although you do get an inverse latency gradient (TOP > CENTER > BOTTOM), with potentially more visible microstuttering at the top edge due to larger gametime:photontime divergences from the sequential scanout versus global flash, interacting with the VSYNC OFF frameslice latency gradients. However the brute force framerate compensates -- especially in quadruple-digits.

Big rabbit hole since stutter visibility can be a vertical continuum from top-to-bottom, which is part of also why I am not fond of VSYNC OFF during strobing (and why a lot of players say strobing feels odd with VSYNC OFF). Brute Hz helps (e.g. 240Hz DyAc) by compressing the scanout latencies though, creating smaller latency-gradient differentials that interfere with each other. And brute framerate smoothes out the VSYNC OFF jitter and produces more consistent latency feel.

So... Yes. Brute force frame rate can compensate for strobe-amplified microstutters from fps-vs-Hz mismatch.

So... Yes, you still get benefits from motion blur reduction.

That's why many CS:GO users still keep DyAc turned on for BenQ ZOWIE XL2546 as an aim stabilizer, since CS:GO can generate the necessary overkill framerate that can compensate for not having fps=Hz.

It's when framerates below Hz, or framerates near Hz, that has the most microstuttering during strobed modes. (Microstuttering is more visible during blur reduction due to lack of motion blur to hide microstutters).

You might want to consider 224Hz PureXP+ or 180Hz PureXP+ if you can tolerate a little bit more strobe crosstalk, but want lower latency for competitive gameplay. Create those modes via a Custom Resolution Utility.
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Re: Viewsonic XG270 with 'PureXP" MBR [pre-tuned by Blur Busters!]

Post by niros » 13 May 2020, 00:18

Chieft
thanks for the answer - as i said i can get it now from NewEgg for decent price but also from Amazon- I'd like to support BlurBusters but sadly Amazon shipping to my country only with DHL(because of COVID) so they offer very very high shipping costs (around 350-400usd for shipping only! ) So i either wait for them to restore normal shipping to my country or i get it from NewEgg

anyway i have few question
My pc cant push 240hz(I plan to buy a new one soon)
1.120hz+120fps work best anyway so it should work great for me anyway right?because i can push 144hz in most fps games!
2.When you say we should activate V-Sync -do you mean ingame or in NVCP? because my favorite youtuber(fr33thy) says its a big NO for fps games..
3.How can i tell if i can live with 1080p 27' (cant see in it person) - maybe you have a good vid that explain 1080p at 27'?
4.one thing that kinda scare me is that after 30 days of the return frame (from newegg) i basicly dont have a warranty at all, but on the other hand that would be the case for amazon aswell..+ no 1 in my country sell this kind monitors so it wont be available for me to buy in my country anway!


Anything else i need to know :<? other than 27' this monitor seems like my dream monitor! 240hz/PureXP/IPS Colors! and son

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Re: Viewsonic XG270 with 'PureXP" MBR [pre-tuned by Blur Busters!]

Post by Infinity » 13 May 2020, 07:36

niros wrote:
13 May 2020, 00:18
Chieft
thanks for the answer - as i said i can get it now from NewEgg for decent price but also from Amazon- I'd like to support BlurBusters but sadly Amazon shipping to my country only with DHL(because of COVID) so they offer very very high shipping costs (around 350-400usd for shipping only! ) So i either wait for them to restore normal shipping to my country or i get it from NewEgg

anyway i have few question
My pc cant push 240hz(I plan to buy a new one soon)
1.120hz+120fps work best anyway so it should work great for me anyway right?because i can push 144hz in most fps games!
2.When you say we should activate V-Sync -do you mean ingame or in NVCP? because my favorite youtuber(fr33thy) says its a big NO for fps games..
3.How can i tell if i can live with 1080p 27' (cant see in it person) - maybe you have a good vid that explain 1080p at 27'?
4.one thing that kinda scare me is that after 30 days of the return frame (from newegg) i basicly dont have a warranty at all, but on the other hand that would be the case for amazon aswell..+ no 1 in my country sell this kind monitors so it wont be available for me to buy in my country anway!


Anything else i need to know :<? other than 27' this monitor seems like my dream monitor! 240hz/PureXP/IPS Colors! and son
I can help with this since I've always used 24 inch. 27 inch will seem bad if you sit really close. I changed my seating positioning and how far my monitor is from me awhile ago moving away from having it in my face to about arms length away. This was actually harder to do on a 24 inch but the 27 inch is the perfect size I think for that style. I will say however 27 inch suffers text wise. Like reading this forum on the 27 inch is somewhat a chore because of the smaller pixel density. You'll know when you see it basically. It's kind of a minor thing though because I feel more immersion in my games. Contrary to popular belief it's bad for CSGO as well I would say it's actually better because of how much bigger the screen is you're REALLY focused on the center so your crosshair making it easier to play in a way. I didn't think I'd like it for gaming but I think I prefer it. I would say the downside of the 27 inch is other things.... low quality videos will look really bad but any decent quality stuff looks fine. the Screen real estate is nice and more immersive overall but text can be hard to read sometimes and you really notice if someone has bad quality stream/video.

I still think the monitor will be a good buy for you even if you can push the max refresh rate since you seem to wanna focus on the PureXP which mostly runs it's best at 120-144hz. This way when you upgrade you already have a top end gaming monitor ready to make use of the 240hz. You're gonna pay like 300 anyway for a 144hz so. When he says activate Vsync he does mean in game but he also means 3rd party stuff. NVCP works or any in game frame limiter... you're just making your fps your refresh rate. Riva tuner scanline sync is also really good so you can get riva tuner to mess with stuff. However, in-game frame limiter will always be better option usually put it like 2 fps under your refresh.

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Re: Viewsonic XG270 with 'PureXP" MBR [pre-tuned by Blur Busters!]

Post by donnie » 13 May 2020, 07:52

This monitor is absolutely fantastic. Here are my suggestions for three different cases:

Desktop and browsing:

NVCP resolution 1920x1080 -> 120hz, Vsync on + PureXP+ on Normal, Color tempature full and custom setting based on calibration, Contrast on 70. Black level 11.

FPS games (COD MW, Apex, CS:GO):

CRU custom resolution with 224hz, G-Sync ON + OD Fastest + NULL on + 220 fps limit via in game or RTTS for games like cod\apex or unlimited and overkill fps for CS:GO, If in game limiter is bad then use the RTTS\Scanline sync.

For league of legends specifically I use:

120hz, borderless mode (since fullscreen is forcing max hz). PureXP+ Normal. Now comes the fun part, since V-Sync doesn't work in borderless for this game it seems I am using overkill fps uncapped and it still works smooth and glassy.

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Re: Viewsonic XG270 with 'PureXP" MBR [pre-tuned by Blur Busters!]

Post by niros » 13 May 2020, 09:17

Thank you all for the comments.
I wish i could grab this monitor from the Amazon link but sadly Amazon shipping rates to my country are HUGE compared to the standard because of CO-VID19 and I do plan to buy my new build next month so I'll place my Monitor order now from NewEgg

Thank you!

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