[UPDATE: VG248QE & ULMB] Review of Benq XL2411Z V2 Firmware

[masterotaku]

It would appear that I was able to replicate a similar circumstance Master. Although I didn't turn on and off 3D Mode, I simply turned off "Instant Mode" in the Benq OSD Menu, and did the VT1350 Tweak for 120Hz (for some reason, if I did the VT1502 Tweak @ 120Hz, and turned off "Instant Mode," the picture goes Crazy!). I will post pics up real soon once my S3 stops dying on me so fast!

Mmmm, yes, at 120Hz it displays crazy things. At 100Hz, for example, overdrive artifacts seem to be a bit better, but crosstalk is worse. It's like if it's using a different vertical total (lower).
Well, at least we have different settings for this, with their pros and cons.

[sheepdog16]

Mmmm, yes, at 120Hz it displays crazy things. At 100Hz, for example, overdrive artifacts seem to be a bit better, but crosstalk is worse. It's like if it's using a different vertical total (lower).
Well, at least we have different settings for this, with their pros and cons.

Here is an update Master with pics to my findings in regards to having "Instant Mode" turned off, instead of you toggling on/off 3D.

Keep in mind that these are when I turned off "Instant Mode" in the BENQ OSD Menu, and have my 120Hz refresh rate done with the VT1350 Tweak and NOT VT1502.

First, once again, my Benq Utility settings are the same as in my OP:
http://imgur.com/jhfqm1L



Next, here is 2 pics of the Ghosting/Pursuit Camera Test:
http://imgur.com/2mWg2U5,SSjuBg4#0
http://imgur.com/2mWg2U5,SSjuBg4#1



Next, here are various Alien Invasion Pics, involving a few pics from the top, middle, and bottom of the Xl2411Z Display in order to show the various levels of crosstalk/ghosting:

http://imgur.com/xwysYij,1yc3vuo#0 (TOP; aside from the 1st line, crosstalk is completely gone.)
http://imgur.com/xwysYij,1yc3vuo#1 (TOP zoomed)

http://imgur.com/af574zA (MIDDLE; notice how the ghosting is much less apparant, almost gone in the middle of the screen)

http://imgur.com/gTxczZe (BOTTOM; this is where it all goes downhill from here! No amount of tweak from the Benq Utility I've done would fix this mess.)



All in all, the pics seem very consistent with your findings Master, only not needing to Turn on/off 3D mode like you did, but instead just turn off "Instant Mode". While the ghosting is much better (more gone) from the top towards the middle of the display, the bottom of the screen goes to Hell really fast and really hard!

So for the moment, I'm sticking to having "Instant Mode" left on, AMA on High (remember to toggle off/on Blur Reduction or Move Persistence slider on Utility for less strong effect of AMA), and all of my refresh rates up to 120Hz done with the VT1502 Tweak.
The image and motion clarity is still awesome with pretty good colors (MUCH BETTER THAN MY VG248QE's LIGHTBOOST COLORS!)

[Chief Blur Buster]

Next, here is 2 pics of the Ghosting/Pursuit Camera Test:
http://imgur.com/2mWg2U5,SSjuBg4#0
http://imgur.com/2mWg2U5,SSjuBg4#1

Good job, but why didn't you turn on the Pursuit Camera Sync Track?

I'm impressed at how accurately you did the pursuit camera without the pursuit camera speed verification feature (my invention), described at http://www.blurbusters.com/rtings-adopts-our-blur-test/ (my invention adopted by RTings)
The temporal pattern is on TestUFO and you compare to the photographs at the bottom of my pursuit camera HOWTO (scroll halfway down). Nontheless, the lack of the sync track didn't prevent you from being able to capture accurate pursuit camera photography, so good job there.

The image and motion clarity is still awesome with pretty good colors (MUCH BETTER THAN MY VG248QE's LIGHTBOOST COLORS!)

Glad you like your BENQ Z-Series monitor! Given the technology limitations, it's the best strobed/LightBoosted quality you can get at the moment (short of getting an Eizo FG2421, which is a VA panel, but higher persistence without adjustable strobe).

[sheepdog16]

Next, here is 2 pics of the Ghosting/Pursuit Camera Test:
http://imgur.com/2mWg2U5,SSjuBg4#0
http://imgur.com/2mWg2U5,SSjuBg4#1

Good job, but why didn't you turn on the Pursuit Camera Sync Track?

I'm impressed at how accurately you did the pursuit camera without the pursuit camera speed verification feature (my invention), described at http://www.blurbusters.com/rtings-adopts-our-blur-test/ (my invention adopted by RTings)
The temporal pattern is on TestUFO and you compare to the photographs at the bottom of my pursuit camera HOWTO (scroll halfway down). Nontheless, the lack of the sync track didn't prevent you from being able to capture accurate pursuit camera photography, so good job there.

Hey chief.

First off, thanks for the complement about my pics. I did try to get as clear as possible with simply my Galaxy S3 Smart Phone using my own hands to track the motion, and I think it did an OK job to show what I was intending to display.
In regards to your advice about using your Sync Tracking Motion method, my AT&T Uverse internet is still being dumb with Cloudflare, and is blocking your Blurbusters website (I can only access a "cached"/copied portion of the home page. I still can't access any of the articles posted). Also, I figure that I simply use what I already had to the best of my abilities, and see how my efforts would turn out.

The image and motion clarity is still awesome with pretty good colors (MUCH BETTER THAN MY VG248QE's LIGHTBOOST COLORS!)

Glad you like your BENQ Z-Series monitor! Given the technology limitations, it's the best strobed/LightBoosted quality you can get at the moment (short of getting an Eizo FG2421, which is a VA panel, but higher persistence without adjustable strobe).

Even though the ghosting/overshoot is still abit noticable, I'm starting to accept it, knowing how much the colors and brightness levels of Lightboost 10% SUCKED on my previous VG248QE monitor! I do like the colors and brightness overall for a TN panel.

Anyways, ever since I've been following the early development of the first Lightboost hacks, it has been a truly awesome aspect of gaming to discover, and I cannot thank you enough for your knowledge and efforts to make blur-free gaming possible! I made a small Paypal donation, and hope it will be put to good use.

[sheepdog16]

It would appear that I was able to replicate a similar circumstance Master. Although I didn't turn on and off 3D Mode, I simply turned off "Instant Mode" in the Benq OSD Menu, and did the VT1350 Tweak for 120Hz (for some reason, if I did the VT1502 Tweak @ 120Hz, and turned off "Instant Mode," the picture goes Crazy!). I will post pics up real soon once my S3 stops dying on me so fast!

Mmmm, yes, at 120Hz it displays crazy things. At 100Hz, for example, overdrive artifacts seem to be a bit better, but crosstalk is worse. It's like if it's using a different vertical total (lower).
Well, at least we have different settings for this, with their pros and cons.

That can very well be possible. The Vertical Total count could drastically decrease internally (ninja fashion), where crosstalk is much prevalent.

[sheepdog16]

The image and motion clarity is still awesome with pretty good colors (MUCH BETTER THAN MY VG248QE's LIGHTBOOST COLORS!)

Glad you like your BENQ Z-Series monitor! Given the technology limitations, it's the best strobed/LightBoosted quality you can get at the moment (short of getting an Eizo FG2421, which is a VA panel, but higher persistence without adjustable strobe).

BTW Chief, I don't think you posted any sort of review on the EZIO Fg2421 monitor yet, but how is the ghosting/inverse ghosting in comparision to the pics that I have shown on my XL2411Z (as well as Master)? Is it better, worse? Is there much crosstalk or ghosting from the top/bottom of the screen, like the Xl2411Z? Can 240Turbo mode be used optiminally on any refresh rate other than 120Hz? (TFTCentral tried Turbo240 @ 60Hz, but got less than impressive results. Does it work well @ 100Hz and above to give a decent range of FPS targets for certain games?)

[RustinSpencerCohle]

@thread starter: in your first post you describe sth that could be a cross strobe effect not purely ghosting, try to go a bit to the right with the bottom slider in the blurbusters utility, with it set to the far left the bottom part of your screen, where perhaps your guns in tf2 are shown will be too much affected by cross talking, at least that's what i observed i ended up with it at 1.75 if you count from zero in decimals from marker to marker (left to right).

[sheepdog16]

@thread starter: in your first post you describe sth that could be a cross strobe effect not purely ghosting, try to go a bit to the right with the bottom slider in the blurbusters utility, with it set to the far left the bottom part of your screen, where perhaps your guns in tf2 are shown will be too much affected by cross talking, at least that's what i observed i ended up with it at 1.75 if you count from zero in decimals from marker to marker (left to right).

Hey.

Thanks for the advice truly. However, the ghosting/trailing effect is still noticable. The gun towards the bottom of the screen isn't the issue, it's simply that there is trailing/ghosting, regardless of having AMA Overdrive on or off. It is still a distraction at times, but the colors are still great, and having the option to have any refresh rate from 60Hz - 144Hz using Blur Reduction is a fantasic feature. Especially with games where games are limited to 60FPS like Dolphin Emulator, or Titanfall (I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT AFTER TWO MONTHS RELEASE!! Let alone without SLI Support at the time of writing).

I know that you can "unlock" the FPS in titanfall by simply turning on "Double Buffering" ingame; however, with the FPS matching the refresh rate with triple buffering on, there is an annoying stutter while strafing/moving forward, but the mouse movement is perfect.

[Chief Blur Buster]

but how is the ghosting/inverse ghosting in comparision to the pics that I have shown on my XL2411Z (as well as Master)? Is it better, worse? Is there much crosstalk or ghosting from the top/bottom of the screen, like the Xl2411Z?

There's less strobe crosstalk on a fully-warmed-up EIZO FG2421 except for the dark colors where there's lots of VA ghosting. The top/bottom edge strobe crosstalk uniformity is excellent (better than LightBoost), top/bottom edge is much better than LightBoost or Z-Series, where center strobe crosstalk is slightly worse. The persistence in FG2421 is hardcoded at 2.3ms, so you can't reduce motion blur any further than that. That said, it is brighter than the Z-series at the same 2.3ms setting.

Can 240Turbo mode be used optiminally on any refresh rate other than 120Hz? (TFTCentral tried Turbo240 @ 60Hz, but got less than impressive results. Does it work well @ 100Hz and above to give a decent range of FPS targets for certain games?)

I tested in 1Hz increments and found Turbo240 worked perfectly from 105Hz through 122Hz in 1Hz increments.
It didn't work very well at 100Hz and less (frame skipping), so you need to bump to 105Hz for correct non-frameskipped single strobing per refresh.

If you love playing in strobe mode but need better colors than 24" TN panels, and you don't mind 2-2.5ms persistence and the VA panel quirks (gamma nonuniformities in dark colors), and a brighter strobe mode, the EIZO FG2421 is a really good monitor for that.

[sheepdog16]

There's less strobe crosstalk on a fully-warmed-up EIZO FG2421 except for the dark colors where there's lots of VA ghosting. The top/bottom edge strobe crosstalk uniformity is excellent (better than LightBoost), top/bottom edge is much better than LightBoost or Z-Series, where center strobe crosstalk is slightly worse. The persistence in FG2421 is hardcoded at 2.3ms, so you can't reduce motion blur any further than that. That said, it is brighter than the Z-series at the same 2.3ms setting.

That is awesome to hear Chief! Just one last quick question: How does Ghosting/Crosstalk fare in the ULMB mode with the VG248QE Monitor with the G-Sync Module? Are there vivid variety levels of ghosting or crosstalking at 85Hz/100Hz/120Hz?