Fast 1440p Panel without PWM, ULMB or Nano IPS

[thecorningrove]

Hey guys,

I really struggle with my search for a new monitor, thanks to many of the top notch displays giving me eather a heavy headache or motion sickness and nausea. I know it's caused by Nano-IPS Panels and Blur reductions like ULMB.

I'am searching for a panel with as less motion blur and ghosting as possible - ofc with low input lag aswell.

TN wouldn't be a problem in general.

What I testet so far:

Dell 2721DGF - awesome in every aspect, but extremely heavy headache and nausea after a few minutes

HP Omen X27 - good, but with PWM which also gives me a hard time (eyestrain and nausea)

Samsung Odyssey G7 - somehow I didn't like the curve so much. Also, I didn't like it's colours somehow - So it seem's VA is is not for me (kinda too dark/dimm). I still have it and will test/give it a try.

Gigabyte M27Q - very good picture, but a bit on the slow side, with high overdrive it has a lot of inverse ghosting, with low overdrive, it's a bit on the slow side and has motion blur. But I still kinda liked it the most - also the cheapest. (Maybe I don't need that fast of a panel, thanks to my playstyle??)

AOC AG241QG - (165Hz 1440p TN), which wasn't bad, but I somehow lost the advantages of the 27" of spotting enemys better and so on, though I play better on a 24", better movement somehow, hard to explain. Also the coating was horrible and very grainy.


I also thought about not on insisting on 1440p. And going back to FullHD on a 24-25". But I have to say, 1440p really helped me with spotting enemeys in the distance way better, or in general.

Also not sure on 27" in general and better to go with a 24". Not sure about 1440p (especially since there doesn't seem to be the right panel for me right now).

Some advice is needed!

Thanks in advance sir's and ladies

[Aldagar]

What is it about the NanoIPS causing you headaches? It's one of the fastest IPS panels so you shouldn't experience much response time related motion blur.

Have you tried any model with the Innolux panel, like the Gigabyte FI27Q-P? They have a shifted blue light peak, which is said to cause less eye strain and/or headaches.

[Chief Blur Buster]

Why not NanoIPS?

NanoIPS usually generally just has problems with strobing, but if you're not using strobing, what is wrong with NanoIPS? It is great for non-strobed displays. Are you able to tell me which NanoIPS panel that you tried that bothered your eyes?

[thecorningrove]

Sorry for the late reply.

I tried the Dell2721DGF with a lot of different settings, but it gives me a realllly bad nausea/motion sickness, headache and a general uncomfortable feeling.
I had the Gigabyte M27Q next to it in comparison and it was a relief to look at it in comparison. At first, I thought I was going to get sick until after 2 days I realized, replicable, that it's the monitor.

I made some research and the results of it is, that "a lot" of other people seem to have the same problem. And most likely it's the nano ips coating that is causing that issue somehow.

So now I tried to HP Omen X27. It's so far the best monitor I ever had in my eyesight. It's smoothness and responsiveness is unmatched, no motion blur, ghosting, coronas - just clarity. And zero input lagg.
Unfortunately it has also a terrible coating. Same issues as with the Dell. I nearly puked today after 3 hours of usage - and I never had those issues before with any monitors.

So I had 2 awesome Monitors, the Dell and especially the HP. I just can't use any of them.

It really, sorry to be so blunt here, sucks.

The G7 in comparison is waay worse, even if in the ufo ghosting test it's on par. But I just play awful on it, especially in comparison.

Guess there is no real option for me right now. That's why I gonna stick with the Gigabyte M27Q and sell it, as soon as there gonna be options out for me again.

Since I tried that HP Omen, I know what's possible. If that coating wouldn't make me literally sick, I would keep it any day. Also it's colors can nearly compete with the IPS displays I had here for comparison. Viewing angles are not bothering me as gaming is the main purpose.

[Chief Blur Buster]

So now I tried to HP Omen X27. It's so far the best monitor I ever had in my eyesight. It's smoothness and responsiveness is unmatched, no motion blur, ghosting, coronas - just clarity. And zero input lagg.
Unfortunately it has also a terrible coating. Same issues as with the Dell. I nearly puked today after 3 hours of usage - and I never had those issues before with any monitors.

If you can afford it / risk it, you might want to get the monitor film’s removed.

People have been doing that for years. There is significant risks but people have been doing that to ASUS VG248QE’s years ago, and the same technique is possible with the HP. Or you can find/pay for a reputable person who already knows how to remove films, allowing for a 2x cost factor (buying a monitor, getting shipped to the person, and accepting risks). It often requires monitor/panel disassembly and a overnight soaking of the screen glass, usually with paper towels or cloth, to get the film soft enough to be removed, then it’s peeled off.

There’s long time forum threads on HardForum about this:
https://hardforum.com/threads/guide-how ... d.1674033/

There’s some YouTube videos about this too. View them, such as:

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(Disclaimer: NO specific endorsements, these are just links from some googling)

Google-Fu Search Keywords To Try:
- remove film from monitor
- remove antiglare coating from screen
- anti glare film removal from display

Then your HP monitor can be your dream monitor, if you can accept a 10% or 25% risk damage (so budget for 2x cost just in case — for a mulligan / do-over). Especially if it is a panel that has never had somebody else do a film removal of.

If you definitely know it’s the film’s fault for causing your eyestrain problems, this can be a good direction to go. Be noted, this doesn’t account for the possibility of other causes of eyestrain / nausea / headaches.

P.S. The number of ergonomics posts in Blur Busters Forums, is now making me think I should create a Ergonomics area on Blur Busters Forums. For almost ten years, Blur Busters has been a beacon of “motion blur ergonomics” and it kind of branches out to other ergonomics. The problem is all too real, with everyone having different vision problems (or different mental processing to their visions) — ranging from motion blur sensitivity, flicker sensitivity, focus/prescription, color blindness, motion blindness — with different monitors playing havoc to different quirks of monitors.

[thecorningrove]

Thanks Chief, for this in depth insight. Meanwhile, I also have the Lenovo Y27gq here, which doesn't have PWM. Here my headache is way better or gone. Still the monitors coating is giving me a harder time than for instance the M27Q or any other monitor I used before.

I am meassuring input lag right now with the super slow motion of my phone to see, if there is a difference, since I am not a experienced user in those cases, I can't really tell if there is. Might gonna open a new thread, if that's ok - might be interessting for other ppl aswell, I could imagine.

Removing the coating is not a thing for me btw, it's to light dependend in my room, with a lot of daylight and probably sun aswell. Also it's to risky, better to have a monitor than none