It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

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Re: It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

Post by nuggify » 01 Jan 2021, 16:36

Brainlet wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 03:11

NEVER change multiple variables at once. Always test one by one and give it some time before coming to a conclusion.
Agree with you there.
Brainlet wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 03:11

https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Ba ... her/Former
Lots of them are still active and are considered among the best in the world :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/VACsucks/comme ... tacted_to/
I'm not going to get into this topic, a little bit of research and common sense should suffice to get a good overview of what's happening. I also won't reply to anything else regarding this topic in future posts since I doubt chief wants to see this here.
Wait let me get this straight. Your explanation for how the best of the best in the world preform so well is they cheat? Yeah unfeasible that they have consistent user experience. I do not think you understand that you literally cannot be a pro gamer when you have issues like we do where mouse response changes constantly. You cannot build muscle memory. That is not happening for them. End of story. Comical that you add that little bit at the end where you say you will not discuss this further after you drop a moronic idea like that in.
Brainlet wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 03:11

Some routers have very high electric fields with a quite large range on top of it. Another router only has 50 V/m (same outlet, same distance).
It was not the EF messing with the TV it was the RF. And the issue was not a compliance problem with routers. It was a compliance design problem with the TV.
Brainlet wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 03:11

And you confirmed how exactly that this is true? Did you live with him for weeks and test everything extensively? If not, this is a moot argument.
Not a moot argument. I do not need to test for weeks to tell it is completely different than at my home. At my home my PC never works perfect. Ever. At his, right away it did- no fluctuations in mouse, monitor completely crisp and smooth, no dropped inputs or latency. Night and day of a difference. Tested for 2 days, and it never degraded. Also my friend would tell me if he had issues (which he does not, I tried his PC as well). Tried placing ferrites on cables (something that causes massive effects at my home) and it did absolutely nothing there.
Brainlet wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 03:11
Ironically, that's what you do regarding the software and hardware side of things, instead of acknowledging that those have an impact as well. You are doing the polar opposite of r0ach who doesn't acknowledge that power/emi is a serious issue.
I take that as a compliment. There is a reason the best in the world do not need to fiddle with all of that nonsense before they play at the absolute highest level. And they preform absolutely fine. All of that stuff is unnecessary provided you do not have underlying electrical issues in the first place. I already acknowledged that they do have an impact if you have issues. I do not call this effect placebo at all.
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Re: It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

Post by riddlaaaaa » 01 Jan 2021, 16:40

ball2hi wrote:
31 Dec 2020, 21:30
nuggify wrote:
31 Dec 2020, 17:35
Yeah well its fairly easy to confirm or not. But might as well enjoy it while its good, as it will only be temporary. Its not a real solution if its not reproducible.
So I did two tests, one each. I have been playing Overwatch well over 6 hours.

I turned on all of Malwarebyte's protections and enabled it to startup on Windows. Restarted my computer.

Jumping into Overwatch I was unsure if anything had changed from movement, and at a glance while flicking it didn't look too bad. However, a change I have made (since disabling Malwarebytes) is turning off C States and AMD Cool&Quiet. I think that might have had an impact on why in Overwatch seemed to be running smooth enough, though I wasn't convinced because the visual looked a little choppy so I went to my other game to make sure it's not confirmation bias.

Left4Dead 2 is a game I'm far more familiar with, and puts a **lot** more work on the monitor and color transitioning between frames. The starting weapons include at least one fast-firing weapon. The uzi/smg are the fastest shooting weapons in the game, and each shot causes near screen-wide muzzle flash and also lights up the environment around you. It didn't take me long to see that my view didn't visually look fluid anymore and muzzle flash was making it impossible to see again.

I then disabled everything in Malwarebytes and disabled startup. Went into both games again and it was very noticeable how much more fluid the games looked, especially Left4Dead 2 since I could actually see during muzzle flash.

I think the issue with Malwarebytes was alleviated by the fact that I disabled c-stats and cool&quiet. But it was still nowhere near as clear visually when I turn Malwarebytes off.
riddlaaaaa wrote:
31 Dec 2020, 14:31
Nice find if its fixed your input lag/problem but im pretty confident it will eventually come back ....like it allways does lol
At the very least, I hope it doesn't come back somehow to the same degree. It really upset me at the time that these 165hz monitors weren't smooth at all so I figured there was no point even looking into 240hz monitors since I figured the improvement would be minimal at best. Now that I see how 165hz looks properly... (or, at least I believe) I'm actually really curious how different 240hz looks in terms of visual clarity during high-motion.
I hope it stays nice for you mate... i really wouldnt even bother with a 240hz monitor becuase as soon as you plug that in it might cause some sort of problem and come back lmao

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Re: It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

Post by nuggify » 01 Jan 2021, 16:42

Unixko wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 12:48

ye this one is kinda tricky cuz i have many guys who bring they pc and monitor to new place it was 3 days perfect and then become shit again and also some guy who bring they pc and monitor to new pc and it was 7 days perfect and then become shit again
this is what i dont understand that why some places has more time then others to become worse like its mine pc affected forever and monitor and i corrupted new place overtime or where is the problem
like feels like best case scenario is new place and new pc and new everything nothing old from old place
I have never had the experience. Not sure I believe they ever had 7 days perfect to begin with.
ball2hi wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 14:00
It was never meant to be a serious test. Especially since I don't want to go through that stress again of playing the way that I did before. I've been playing arm/wrist/shoulder pain free for 48 hours now, and would like to keep it that way.
Right so this was never meant to be a serious post? Never the less you have convinced us that you suffer what is essentially the same issue, and soon enough you will see it degrade to more or less the same point you began at.

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Re: It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 01 Jan 2021, 20:31

nuggify wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 16:42
Right so this was never meant to be a serious post? Never the less you have convinced us that you suffer what is essentially the same issue, and soon enough you will see it degrade to more or less the same point you began at.
Context, context, peeps!!

I believe OP meant “It was originally never meant to be a serious test.”

Many users have oftentimes been surprised by a setting or equipment change over the past, and sometimes get shocked that one posts about it. Not everyone, but many do.

E.g. Originally buy 240Hz displays in year 2017 not believing it makes a big difference.
E.g. Originally buy 1000Hz mouse in year 2005 not believing it makes a big difference.
E.g. Originally change setting X not thinking it makes a big difference.

Etc.
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Re: It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

Post by nuggify » 01 Jan 2021, 20:54

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 20:31

Context, context, peeps!!

I believe OP meant “It was originally never meant to be a serious test.”

Many users have oftentimes been surprised by a setting or equipment change over the past, and sometimes get shocked that one posts about it. Not everyone, but many do.

E.g. Originally buy 240Hz displays in year 2017 not believing it makes a big difference.
E.g. Originally buy 1000Hz mouse in year 2005 not believing it makes a big difference.
E.g. Originally change setting X not thinking it makes a big difference.

Etc.
I believe I am being fair. The thread is titled "It was MALWAREBYTES- Mouse issues solved!". So I asked him to confirm that through a test of reproducibility (a simple task if it indeed is a solution). He gave some vague and obtuse answer that both indicated it was not just Malwarebytes, and now additionally its C States, and AMD Cool and Quiet. Now he says he does not even want to confirm any of it, as it causes him distress. You really gotta look at this and wonder. I have read through both of his other posts on this forum and he reports very, very similar symptoms to what many more experience. I would bet if OP tried some of the stuff we have spoken about they would see results.

I do not believe the user is experiencing placebo. I have seen these effects he speaks to myself. When disabling antivirus (the first time) my system became incredibly fluid. Soon after that fluidity was no longer there and I was back to the starting point. After enabling and disabling it again, it would cause system responsiveness to change however it would not produce the same results that it did the initial time I disabled it.

I am aware that this problem confuses the ever living hell out of people that experience it. Furthermore it makes anyone that has not dealt with it, believe those that do report their observations/experiences are delusional. I and others here have tried to express why this happens.

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Re: It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 01 Jan 2021, 21:10

nuggify wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 20:54
I believe I am being fair. The thread is titled "It was MALWAREBYTES- Mouse issues solved!". So I asked him to confirm that through a test of reproducibility (a simple task if it indeed is a solution). He gave some vague and obtuse answer that both indicated it was not just Malwarebytes, and now additionally its C States, and AMD Cool and Quiet. Now he says he does not even want to confirm any of it, as it causes him distress. You really gotta look at this and wonder. I have read through both of his other posts on this forum and he reports very, very similar symptoms to what many more experience. I would bet if OP tried some of the stuff we have spoken about they would see results.
If the thread title has to be renamed though, that might be fair.
I did acknowledge as such;
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
31 Dec 2020, 00:42
Sure, placebos exist. But major reductions in gaming mental workload? Whatever you did (including additional things you did intentionaly/unintentionally/accidentally in addition to disabling Malwarebytes) -- this smells definitely not-placebo, when someone observes a major mental workload decrease. Good for you -- something clearly major was fixed. Watching top league players become skinny because of thousands of calories burned in stressful top-end play -- any little improvement that reduces gaming fatigue is very helpful.
A common problem is discipline in paper-trailing oneself's tweaking is often a 20/20 hindsight. By the time you've solved your problem, you might not be 100% sure of all the combined software tweaks/changes that were done.

Especially if you've been tweaking for years, you can go slack on remembering/recording all the changes -- only to discover the tweak and then not know *all* the variables changed.

Also, the ability to reproduce might be lost. For example, if OP did an uninstall-reinstall of Malwarebytes can also speed things up, since a longtime install of Malwarebytes can be slower than a fresh install of Malwarebytes. Let's say, theoretically, keyboard/mouse hook part of Malwarebytes (as previously described) might have been accessing its own disk-clogged installation (lots of signatures, old backup files, old telemetry, old historical malware detection fingerprints, also highly fragmented registry, etc) -- even during a hook when monitoring for the heuristics of spyware/remote control software (like a keylogger/mouselogger or remote control software) -- creating a laggier event monitor than during a fresh install of the same protection utility (say, Malwarebytes). If this is the case, the ability to do a blind A/B test is now lost, since any full uninstall of an old install may have removed whatever problem existed. Or perhaps multiple utilities was simultaneously disabled.

It certainly seems something majorly improved since it was significant enough to reduce gaming fatigue (a real thing). Nonetheless, it'd be very useful to do a A/B test of a single thing enabled/disabled. However, sometimes that ability is lost -- like when a very old installation is uninstalled.

That said, if all software exists, it would be great to see an active enable/disable behavior so we can reconfirm -- would help many users;
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Re: It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

Post by Unixko » 02 Jan 2021, 00:08

nuggify wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 16:42
Unixko wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 12:48

ye this one is kinda tricky cuz i have many guys who bring they pc and monitor to new place it was 3 days perfect and then become shit again and also some guy who bring they pc and monitor to new pc and it was 7 days perfect and then become shit again
this is what i dont understand that why some places has more time then others to become worse like its mine pc affected forever and monitor and i corrupted new place overtime or where is the problem
like feels like best case scenario is new place and new pc and new everything nothing old from old place
I have never had the experience. Not sure I believe they ever had 7 days perfect to begin with.
ball2hi wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 14:00
It was never meant to be a serious test. Especially since I don't want to go through that stress again of playing the way that I did before. I've been playing arm/wrist/shoulder pain free for 48 hours now, and would like to keep it that way.
Right so this was never meant to be a serious post? Never the less you have convinced us that you suffer what is essentially the same issue, and soon enough you will see it degrade to more or less the same point you began at.
ye i found this 2 guy yesterday we was on teamspeak for 5 hours
1 guy who live in block was able to fixed his problem like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax8m8w3 ... =emb_title
there is describe
i didnt replace psu. i bought power extension with emi/rfi filter and plugged into second socket in my room. exactly this one https://www.amazon.de/-/en/P54222-4-Pie ... B08525D3DR . and also i switch off one unused key in main circuit breaker which was used for air condition which we dont have now. Its 11:15 AM and everything is still smooth. I dont really know if i have grounding but i can tell you that i was able to hear pops in my headphones when someone turns light in my room or in bathroom, doesnt happen anymore.
edit: i also lowered voltages on my oc, try to keep lowest voltage possible but be sure its stable.
i dont belive in 20 Euro some extender cord with some filter cuz i try many of them but what was intersting was
^switch off one unused key in main circuit breaker which was used for air condition which we dont have now.^
as you can see https://screenshot.cz/2LW1K/ there
his fix work just for 4 days but we will see for how long will be like that can be his neighbor on vacation when you live in block its always random so i wish him luck

but this second guy is kinda interesting cuz he play a lot lans in the past and on lans in my country you need to bring your own pc and monitor and he say from begíning it was always perfect when he was on lan but last time when try bring his pc and monitor it was for first match perfect and then become instantly bad and he try his friend pc around him and everything was perfect so there must be something what affected your pc even if you play on perfect place where everybody has no issue at all

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Re: It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

Post by Sageapon » 02 Jan 2021, 18:48

I'd like to chime in and say that I have had Malwarebytes on my systems for the last 10 years or so but uninstalled it and using Windows Defender only now. After removing Malwarebytes, and I hate to say it but I FELT an immediate difference. No way for me to measure anything or provide meaningful data however.

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Re: It was MALWAREBYTES | After 7 years, floaty mouse/issues solved!

Post by StevenBrown » 03 Mar 2021, 14:49

Hi! I would like to know, if Malwarebytes + Avast is a good option? I have Avast, but since each one detects something different, I would like to know, if it's worth having Malwarebytes + Avast? Since Avast, is objective is to find Viruses and Malwarebytes to find Malware. I know, that actually all you need is common sense + firewall, and I have that. Would it be a good option to have Malwarebytes + Avast as a combo? If not, which one to prefer, and why? Thank you!

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