I cannot tolerate IPS gaming monitors.

[74tm]

I have tried many of the new IPS monitors both the 240hz and 144hz variants. One thing that has been consistent with them is how they effect my vision while using them and for a prolonged period after. Whenever I encounter white text or objects on a black screen I get a double vision effect. High contrasting edges are blurry only towards the top of the object or text.

What is even more frustrating, is that after using these monitors for a decent amount of time, that same effect carries on with me into real life along with seeing halos around lights. Slowly fading away with how much time I spend without using the monitor.

I have recently bought the xl2540k and I have not experienced any of this. I have also used a Benq VA monitor and an Iphone 6 for a long time with no problems.

I recently have had my eyes checked and I was told that I had near perfect vision. Is there any particular reason for this to be a thing? Could it be something exclusive to these "Fast IPS" panels? Should I try getting a 1440p Nano IPS model?

Monitors that I have tried: VG259QM, LG 27GN750, Benq EX2510, AW2521HFL.

[Chief Blur Buster]

Thinking… Could be a few possibilities.

First, very few people have polarized light sensitivities or after-effects but I know many of these new IPS monitors emits polarized light 90 degrees different from TN displays.

Try testing portrait mode — rotate 90 degrees — see if your vision behaviour changes. If this feels better, temporarily use polarized sunglasses to test polarization angle. Test your good TN monitor, if it is visible or goes black. (One rotation will be clear, the other rotation will go dark). Then find out which IPS rotation behaves the same, and use it for a while that way. It’s not the ideal way to game, but useful if you’re self-diagnosing obscure vision issues.

Another possibility is the LED spectrum differences - blue light. IPS comes in multiple types od backlights, so if you have never tried NanoIPS or quantum-dot IPS, give it a try too. It emits a very different spectrum than typical TN and IPS backlights of those monitors.

if you need better colors but can’t stand even the new NanoIPS, try an OLED. They typically aren’t polarized light, so a desktop LG OLED in the 40-50 inch class, moved to the back of a deep desk or wall behind (3-4 feet) is also a legitimate desktop monitor-comfort option nowadays (lots here do that), 4K 120Hz G-SYNC makes them gaming beauties now, albeit a bit higher lag than gaming monitors.

Also, if you are in your mid 30s or 40s, vision degradations can occur regardless of screen, regardless of TN or IPS. Remedies may include orange-tinted computer glasses to protect yourself from excessive blue light. For some aging individuals, double-images can develop rapidly over a year or two, regardless of monitor use — more forced by close-distance focussing (like reading) - So make sure you haven’t hit coincidental factors.

It could be multiple concurrent factors, two or three or even all the above. Or none of the above (something else entirely!)

Based on my personal experience (aging issue for me, creating monocular double images visible in one eye, that disappeared for me when squinting - a vertical astigmatism issue)…. you should also get an astigmatism eye test too using precise measuring equipment (like they use in the more recent newbuild lasik clinics), preferably immediately after extended screen time if your work/education requires full time screen time (IT work, etc) — an extended farsighted session like driving for hours may obscure a weak diagnosis. So try to schedule the astigmatism test for immediately after a typical workday without multiple hours of farsighted time in between.

I am not a doctor so please seek appropriate professional help, however, these ideas simply to help you narrow down possible causes, in an event where a diagnosis is still too weak that professionals are currently unable to help…

(If you find new observations, or your cause, please follow up. Inquiring minds want to know too)

[quake3]

Never tried an IPS so far but you may want to look into the XG2431. Im hoping it doesn't suck so I can finally move from TN's and their bad backlights and overall weak colors.

[74tm]

Thank you Chief I really appreciate the thorough response. I think I'll start with scheduling an astigmatism test first and then work my way down the list of other potential causes. I'll make sure to update the thread incase anyone else is having the same problem.

[74tm]

Never tried an IPS so far but you may want to look into the XG2431. Im hoping it doesn't suck so I can finally move from TN's and their bad backlights and overall weak colors.

I doubt another similar IPS panel would solve my issue. I have already tried and IPS from LG and AUO and they felt pretty similar in how they effected my vision. I think if I want to keep trying my luck with non TNs it would have to be a G7 or a Nano IPS.

[Chief Blur Buster]

Never tried an IPS so far but you may want to look into the XG2431. Im hoping it doesn't suck so I can finally move from TN's and their bad backlights and overall weak colors.

The XG2431 still uses a similar backlight to some of the IPS that OP has tried, so I instead recommend shaking things up and getting a drastically different LED backlight like NanoIPS, to see if it changes anything. But I have enough data from the earlier replies by OP that the XG2431 wouldn’t solve this specific unique case.

These kinds of rare diagnoses can be challenging to trace the cause of — many have stretched far back to people who cannot stand watching a CRT or 35mm film screen due to flicker, but didn’t mind the early CCFL-lit LCDs. And the converse, people who can’t handle any LCD at all and prefer plasma/LCD because of an intolerance to motion blur. Then there’s odd effects that are specific and requires more unique display experimentaiton.

Displays are imperfect windows to real life, hobbled by the way they need to generate colors and motion artificially using a finite gamut and finite refresh rate, as well as tricks such as phosphor+blue light to create the color spectrum on modern white LEDs. The white light emission from a color screen isn’t quite full natural blackbody-emissions spectrum, but white is artificially generated by the combination of very narrow spectrum red, green, blue. This can wreak havoc with sensitive individuals, with the color blind, and other vision quirks. Not to mention other effets such as sensitivity to the antiglare film, etc. Everybody sees differently.

[michaelcycle00]

Never tried an IPS so far but you may want to look into the XG2431. Im hoping it doesn't suck so I can finally move from TN's and their bad backlights and overall weak colors.

The XG2431 still uses a similar backlight to some of the IPS that OP has tried, so I instead recommend shaking things up and getting a drastically different LED backlight like NanoIPS, to see if it changes anything. But I have enough data from the earlier replies by OP that the XG2431 wouldn’t solve this specific unique case.

These kinds of rare diagnoses can be challenging to trace the cause of — many have stretched far back to people who cannot stand watching a CRT or 35mm film screen due to flicker, but didn’t mind the early CCFL-lit LCDs. And the converse, people who can’t handle any LCD at all and prefer plasma/LCD because of an intolerance to motion blur. Then there’s odd effects that are specific and requires more unique display experimentaiton.

Displays are imperfect windows to real life, hobbled by the way they need to generate colors and motion artificially using a finite gamut and finite refresh rate, as well as tricks such as phosphor+blue light to create the color spectrum on modern white LEDs. The white light emission from a color screen isn’t quite full natural blackbody-emissions spectrum, but white is artificially generated by the combination of very narrow spectrum red, green, blue. This can wreak havoc with sensitive individuals, with the color blind, and other vision quirks. Not to mention other effets such as sensitivity to the antiglare film, etc. Everybody sees differently.

Chief, you mind explaining a bit how strobing differs based on the display's refresh-rate? I thought I understood pretty darn good how it works but now it seems like I don't. Put the XG2431 for example. It can "single-strobe" (not sure what that means) from 60hz all the way up to 240hz, and based on a reply in some other thread I can't remember you said its strobing was near perfect at 60hz and "more than decent" (not entirely sure what word or expression you used but it seems to fit) at 240hz. Then why not just play everything at strobed-60hz with it? it's strobing anyways so the motion is gonna be as clear as it can get, while saving CPU and GPU resources for not having to output as many frames. Does it have to do with input lag? Response time? Is that why higher-refresh-rate strobing is better? Or what exactly is it? Thanks in advance, your response would be much appreciated.

[Chief Blur Buster]

Never tried an IPS so far but you may want to look into the XG2431. Im hoping it doesn't suck so I can finally move from TN's and their bad backlights and overall weak colors.

The XG2431 still uses a similar backlight to some of the IPS that OP has tried, so I instead recommend shaking things up and getting a drastically different LED backlight like NanoIPS, to see if it changes anything. But I have enough data from the earlier replies by OP that the XG2431 wouldn’t solve this specific unique case.

These kinds of rare diagnoses can be challenging to trace the cause of — many have stretched far back to people who cannot stand watching a CRT or 35mm film screen due to flicker, but didn’t mind the early CCFL-lit LCDs. And the converse, people who can’t handle any LCD at all and prefer plasma/LCD because of an intolerance to motion blur. Then there’s odd effects that are specific and requires more unique display experimentaiton.

Displays are imperfect windows to real life, hobbled by the way they need to generate colors and motion artificially using a finite gamut and finite refresh rate, as well as tricks such as phosphor+blue light to create the color spectrum on modern white LEDs. The white light emission from a color screen isn’t quite full natural blackbody-emissions spectrum, but white is artificially generated by the combination of very narrow spectrum red, green, blue. This can wreak havoc with sensitive individuals, with the color blind, and other vision quirks. Not to mention other effets such as sensitivity to the antiglare film, etc. Everybody sees differently.

Chief, you mind explaining a bit how strobing differs based on the display's refresh-rate? I thought I understood pretty darn good how it works but now it seems like I don't. Put the XG2431 for example. It can "single-strobe" (not sure what that means) from 60hz all the way up to 240hz, and based on a reply in some other thread I can't remember you said its strobing was near perfect at 60hz and "more than decent" (not entirely sure what word or expression you used but it seems to fit) at 240hz. Then why not just play everything at strobed-60hz with it? it's strobing anyways so the motion is gonna be as clear as it can get, while saving CPU and GPU resources for not having to output as many frames. Does it have to do with input lag? Response time? Is that why higher-refresh-rate strobing is better? Or what exactly is it? Thanks in advance, your response would be much appreciated.

Wrong thread — this thread is not about strobing. The original poster of this thread is not using strobing.

I’ll reply to your post in a separate thread. The main disadvantage of strobing is flicker and amplification of visibility of stutter (whenever there are stutter) and low Hz strobing is a band-aid for low frame rates. Intermediate Hz (120Hz+) is a good compromise.

[spacerocktraveler]

Should I try getting a 1440p Nano IPS model?

Monitors that I have tried: VG259QM, LG 27GN750, Benq EX2510, AW2521HFL.

Your not alone man!!! So glad to see your post honestly. By all means though, try a faster 1440p nano ips panel... I have the xb273 270hz 1440p and man, I'm totally on the brink of selling it and going back to a benq 240 hz for gaming and a widescreen for everything else. I feel like I've thought it through enough and if you're into gaming competitively in anyway, the higher resolution is not where your focus should be. However, it is nice to have a second or third monitor beyond 1440p such as a widescreen. I think that's the way to go. Thinking of the g9 or something a tiny bit smaller. Going to be trying things out over the next couple of months.

[74tm]

Should I try getting a 1440p Nano IPS model?

Monitors that I have tried: VG259QM, LG 27GN750, Benq EX2510, AW2521HFL.

I'm totally on the brink of selling it and going back to a benq 240 hz for gaming and a widescreen for everything else. I feel like I've thought it through enough and if you're into gaming competitively in anyway, the higher resolution is not where your focus should be.

I agree with you, but even though my Zowie is not effecting my vision in any weird way it is still not very comfortable outside of gaming for things like school and reading text. When I play, I mostly play competitively so maybe I should just dedicate the Zowie for gaming and get a non high refresh rate monitor for everything else. It's just that I like 1 monitor setups more and the idea of 1 monitor for everything.