A monitor with no compromise? does it exist?

[Dalek]

What framerates goals do you have?

Preferably as high as possible, e.g. 240 minimum, 300-400 max?

What framerates do you want to blur-reduce?

144 and 240hz+

High frame rates or low frame rates?

Some games will only go up to 60-100 FPS so preferably a monitor that can be great at all of them

Is absolute best colors OR absolute zero blur more important?

That's the thing, I am happy with both colours and performance of an old TN+film panel, not asking for like IPS colours or OLED either but if I had to pick one, motion blur since I really dislike it.

Thank you for your long reply, I really appreciate it.

There are no new XG2431's available. None on eBay either. What I find bizarre is that that range of monitors have the best performance, yet they're not sold anymore? It makes me wonder why ViewSonic didn't continue manufacturing this monitor given it was blurbuster approved?

Do you prefer flicker strobe-backlight motion blur reduction? (Works at low Hz too)
Or do you prefer brute framerate-based motion blur reduction? (Never helps 60fps or 60Hz)

I have heard strobe-backlight can cause headaches and eye strain, but the motion blur is heavily reduced. So, probably brute.

At the end of the day, I'll have to try some monitors and figure out what is best for me. But it takes a lot of time and effort and so far I have yet to say wow, I wish I bought this years ago for a monitor. That is really what I'm looking for, but everyone is different with their expectations.

[Chief Blur Buster]

There are no new XG2431's available. None on eBay either. What I find bizarre is that that range of monitors have the best performance, yet they're not sold anymore? It makes me wonder why ViewSonic didn't continue manufacturing this monitor given it was blurbuster approved?

There's a fair quantity on Amazon (which does ship overseas):
https://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-XG2431 ... B097S9SYM5

Currently, the XG2431 is still being manufacturered, but it's supply constrained. ViewSonic told me it was one of their most popular 240Hz screens, so it is possible that's why it is out of stock elsewhere.

Do you prefer flicker strobe-backlight motion blur reduction? (Works at low Hz too)
Or do you prefer brute framerate-based motion blur reduction? (Never helps 60fps or 60Hz)

Remember, you can turn on/off strobing on many ultra-high-Hz monitors.
You can get both!

The 360Hz+ monitors also include strobe backlights that actually perform fairly well as long as you are motion-blur-reducing >=120Hz. So you can still get your cake and eat it too, except for lower refresh rates (depending on model)

Your choices are effectively:
- 360Hz+ brute framerate-based motion blur reduction that includes strobe-based motion blur reduction for lower triple-digit refresh rates
- 240Hz+ brute framerate-based motion blur reduction that includes strobe-based motion blur reduction even for CRT-era refresh rates (60-100Hz).

The motion blur difference of 240fps 240Hz versus 360fps 360Hz is only about 1.5x, diminished to about 1.1x-1.2x because of slow LCD GtG and jitter. (high-frequency microstutter/jitter can blend to extra motion blur, when the stutter vibrates so fast).

I have heard strobe-backlight can cause headaches and eye strain, but the motion blur is heavily reduced. So, probably brute.

Really, you've decided against strobing because of just merely anecdotes?

Don't forget CRTs also produce eyestrain. It varies from person to person. Sometimes the strobe backlight reduces eyestrain because some people have more motion blur eyestrain. You have to remember it can go both ways.

Also, most users don't adjust via Strobe Utility, and the Utility can adjust things to reduce eyestrain too -- pulse width, pulse phase, etc. And optimizing to reduce jitters helps a lot, since sometimes the eyestrain is caused by the phantom array effect (similar to CRT 30fps at 60Hz, can occur with 60fps at 120Hz strobing).



Have you ever tried the strobe backlight feature of the earlier monitors that you had, such as the BenQ? Did it bother your eyes? There was an old Strobe Utility for BenQ if you still have the BenQ: www.blurbusters.com/strobe-utility

If you have your BenQ still, why not try it? Vertical Total 1350 at 120Hz, with framerate=Hz, is something you can try on almost any 1080p 144Hz BenQ panel.

[Dalek]

Currently, the XG2431 is still being manufacturered, but it's supply constrained. ViewSonic told me it was one of their most popular 240Hz screens, so it is possible that's why it is out of stock elsewhere.

Ah, ok. That makes sense. I will definitely pick one up in the future when it's available. I would buy it off of amazon.com, but I don't want to use a plug adaptor.

Don't forget CRTs also produce eyestrain. It varies from person to person. Sometimes the strobe backlight reduces eyestrain because some people have more motion blur eyestrain. You have to remember it can go both ways.

Yes, that's true. I still remember getting super painful eyestrain on a couple of occasions with CRTs as a kid
Motion blur eye strain is a thing?! that's really interesting.

Really, you've decided against strobing because of just merely anecdotes?

I'll have to try and figure out what works for me. With the Zowie, I don't remember having any eyestrain, headaches or fatigue with DyAc+ if that's anything to go by. I returned it within a week of having it (because I just couldn't get the colour settings right) so I can't test the strobe utility, but I'll definitely run through many of the tests so I have a better understanding of strengths and weaknesses of a monitor.

Remember, you can turn on/off strobing on many ultra-high-Hz monitors.
You can get both!

Ah, that's true. I thought it was one or the other when it came to buying a monitor (still trying to wrap my head around all of it), but yes, the ULMB technique can be switched on and off.

- 360Hz+ brute framerate-based motion blur reduction that includes strobe-based motion blur reduction for lower triple-digit refresh rates
- 240Hz+ brute framerate-based motion blur reduction that includes strobe-based motion blur reduction even for CRT-era refresh rates (60-100Hz).

So if I go for 360Hz+ it will work well at triple digits, but not below them?
If I go for 240hz it will work well at 60-240hz? (apologies if I'm misunderstanding your statement)
And by brute framerate-based motion blur, this is opposed to strobe blur right?

When jumping back to 60hz from 144hz, 60hz felt like 30fps, but then after re-adjusting to 60hz, it felt like 60hz again. Is there a term for this?

[Chief Blur Buster]

Currently, the XG2431 is still being manufacturered, but it's supply constrained. ViewSonic told me it was one of their most popular 240Hz screens, so it is possible that's why it is out of stock elsewhere.

Ah, ok. That makes sense. I will definitely pick one up in the future when it's available. I would buy it off of amazon.com, but I don't want to use a plug adaptor.

FYI -- no adaptor needed.

The USA and EU versions are perfectly identical -- the power supply is universal voltage with a detachable IEC-320 cable (those common computer cables). The only difference is a different IEC-320 detachable cable. The monitor and power brick is identical, with the sole exception of different detachable power cables.

Ah, that's true. I thought it was one or the other when it came to buying a monitor (still trying to wrap my head around all of it), but yes, the ULMB technique can be switched on and off.

You weren't aware you could turn strobing on/off with your previous BenQ?
You never compared which looks better to your eyes?
You never experimented with mid framerate=Hz strobing before? (e.g. 120fps 120Hz on a high-Hz panel)
That usually looks more amazing than 360fps or unsynchronized-framerate strobing.

So if I go for 360Hz+ it will work well at triple digits, but not below them?
If I go for 240hz it will work well at 60-240hz? (apologies if I'm misunderstanding your statement)

The above is referring to strobe, not brute framerate-based.

For non-strobed, 60fps or 75fps or 150fps should look relatively similar on both (only GtG-based differences).

Brute-framerate-based motion blur reduction is almost identical on all LCDs. Motion blur is equal to frametime, so 300fps has 1/300sec motion blur = 3.3ms of motion blur = 3.3 pixels of motion blur at 1000 pixels/sec or 6.6 pixels of motion blur at 2000 pixels/sec (MPRT blur, excluding GtG blur).

I will rephrase:

360Hz without Strobe Utility:
- Use brute framerate-based motion blur reduction down to (~1/frametime MPRT100% + whatever GtG the panel has), spray as much framerate as possible at it, since guaranteed minimum blur is frametime. Your minimum achievable motion blur will be (1/360sec) + (GtG).
- OR use strobe-based motion blur reduction at only above ~100-120Hz (depends on model), sometimes only presets

240Hz XG2431 with Strobe Utility
- Use brute framerate-based motion blur reduction (~1/240sec MPRT100% + whatever GtG the panel has), spray as much framerate as possible at it, since guaranteed minimum blur is 1/frametime. Your minimum achievable motion blur will be (1/240sec) + (GtG).
- OR use strobe-based motion blur reduction at any Hz in 0.001Hz increments from 59Hz through 241Hz

Also for brute framerate-based motion blur reduction method... Remember the worst (motion blurriest) 360Hz panels will have more motion blur than the best 240Hz. This is due to GtG differences. If you go 360Hz and want the clearest 360Hz if you can do framerates >240fps, then that's probably the XL2566K for you.

[Dalek]

Thanks again for your advice Chief Blur Buster.

I tried the PG27AQN, but I ended up returning it due to the sides of the screen being dimmer than what they should be, which coincidentally was mentioned in Hardware Unboxed review. I was really impressed with the colours, they were on par with my 60hz monitor.

To sum up my thoughts of the PG27AQN:
-Great motion clarity and colours (though I could still see a bit of blur)
-1440p looks way better than 1080p for newer games
-I was accused of being a cheater in two Overwatch 2 matches (I hadn't played it for almost 6 months lol!)

-I don't like 27", too big for me personally. but it is easier to see people in FPS games further away.
-I need a newer rig to push 360hz without having to lower graphical settings

This leaves me with two other options: ViewSonic OMNI XG2431 and the XL2566K with using a strobe option to absolutely minimise the blur playing at 120hz with my current rig.

However, this still leaves me in a dilemma of playing games that fall below 100fps which wouldn't look so good. Either way, I'll buy both of these and try them sometime and leave my thoughts here.

[boomlegshot]

Maybe a 1000hz glossy rgb OLED prototype is just sitting there in some manufacturer lab. who knows